I've been playing cyrax a lot lately and my roommate says he's my best now. He plays kang, raiden, and sub zero, and liu is the only one he can beat me with and I destroy the rest. Id say its 5-5 or 6-4 liu just because of the super intense mix ups, low pressure, and he stuffs all of cyrax's wakeups
Honest to god, if we are not talking about Cyblax I dont think there is. Even Cyblax has a hard time, I just dont think robo can really hang in that matchup.
Sounds about right. I can't remember the last time I played Blax, but this along with Kenshi are the 2 fights I always figured I'd absolutely need him for.Honest to god, if we are not talking about Cyblax I dont think there is. Even Cyblax has a hard time, I just dont think robo can really hang in that matchup.
Ive been playing this match A LOT offline vs a hitbox kabal recently. I have a chance to beat him only if I make a LOT of correct reads in a row or when he gets bored of zoning me out and comes in to go toe to toe.
The problem is he dictates the pace, so he decides when you need to make those correct reads, which makes it that much harder. It sucks because at some points he will stop zoning and come in, then Ill start making good reads and / or outplay him; and when the match comes down to the wire and it LOOKS like it could go either way he just pulls the trigger on the win button to remind me that its all a mirage.
Im gonna start working hard on Cyblax, Ill let you know how it goes
I pretty much agree with everything here, good stuff Han.
I'm thinking both of these matches could be debated, but the fact that the GGA and chicago area have no dedicated Liu Kang mains makes my judgement sway towards what Krayzie thinks on Liu being pretty tough for Cyrax. He plays Xbladez and Shoryuken, 2 awesome Liu Kangs more than any other Cyrax, which is why I've leaned the way I did.
The best way to beat Liu Kang is to be as lame as a Sub-Zero player, and even then Liu Kang has the advantage.
The best way to beat Liu Kang is to be as lame as a Sub-Zero player, and even then Liu Kang has the advantage.
Cyrax needs to constantly break, so meter management becomes difficult. You cant constantly keep bombs and nets on the screen to make meter because of the constant fire balls on the screen. Don't get me wrong, you do need the occasional far bombs to close the distance, but you have to be careful and understand your spacing. Close bombs don't work because F12, B312, and 213 advance forward and are 0 on block. Not to mention his fastest jab starts off at 8 frames, and is one of the best anti-airs in the game.
Once you finally catch Liu Kang, he can break free and zone you out again. B3 eats D4, so you cant just use that like in the Kabal match-up. Basically just play it safe and don't make too many mistakes.
Kenshi... There is no need for bombs honestly. Stay just outside of his spirit charge range, and trade with nets.
Tele-Fury is not a good idea against Cyrax because he is opened up for 51 frames, net comes out at 18, Tele-Fury comes out at 21. Kenshi has to think twice about Spirit Charge since you will be just outside of that range. If he advances, he will have to deal with his pressure. If Cyrax gets his hands on Kenshi, he can actually use tools that wouldn't normally work on other characters, such as 334, which is +5 on block. This is due to his huge hitbox. The bigger the hitbox, the more time in the sandbox for Cyrax to play in.
Now, think of the execution difference in this situation. Kenshi has an 8 frame spirit charge, and Cyrax has a 9 frame Command Grab... wait, what? Well how is this possible Krayzie? Well, If you're +5 after 334, you can comand grab Kenshi before he can advance. He either lets go of block, and deals with 12 net, or blocks too long and eats a command grab.
Another thing to keep in mind, is that Kenshi is dragging himself to the wall as he tries to zone you out. Now, in the corner, Kenshi is in trouble because of 334. There is less pushback due to the wall, so you can continue pressuring all day.
Think of this match as an old western stand-off. Only difference is Kenshi has a BB Gun, and Cyrax... Well you know... I reckon Pig Of The Hut wont use Kenshi against me at MLG, would he?
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HAN - Also, I wouldn't be so quick to reflect a net if I was Kenshi.
I find it hilarious that I keep giving hints at this, and nobody asks me wtf I'm talking about... lol
I've kept this Cyrax secret for months already.
I apologize first off because im not going to go in depth.
I am going to revise my list and change it back to 5-5; when I listed it as 4-6 before I don't think I gave enough credit to the player, in this case Pig. I've had pretty good success against other great Kenshi's and because Pig is the man and nearly impossible to beat I was blinded temporarily. I'll be doing a revised chart soon.
Its hard to classify him. He can zone, like for example vs Cage, but shouldn't against any decent anti-zoner like Sektor. He can play footsies with his gdlk d4, like he should against those he can't zone. He can decently rush down, with his 1,2 or 1,2 pressure into cmnd grabs, overhead buzzsaw and ex-ragdoll and other tools. He is basically the swiss army knife of MK characters...but instead of a small pocket knife blade of a swiss army knife, he has all the tools plus a nuke as his knife when he touches you.
why 12 specifically, what about 11 or 21 or 33?
agreed
Besides 1,2 has great priority over other strings....even with better rage.
