just_2swift
MK1 is the best MK period.
But if they tech you will get a combo
Because back Roomba doesn't catch his wake up only forward does, and with the amount of advantage remaining, stuffing his wake-up isn't super reliable or anything, you gotta hit him high with the 112, and then the timing to stuff the Cage I think will change depending if he tech rolls or not, so I don't think that is very consistent. Regardless, you will see I had the same thought you did and right after the first Black Adam video using forward Roomba for GAURANTEED pressure, there is a second Black Adam video using is back Roomba, just because his wake-up is very stuffable if timed right.
@WB-chan Do you want pressure options only using trait?Stuffing every wake up with trait after 112 knockdown
How to set-up drone to safely continue pressure. Every set-up is designed to give you the best possible trade on misread, so, if you let the wake-up hit you, the trait will cover your ass as much as possible.
Ground trait gives us the best conversions on trade, and we know back Roomba gives us the best blockstrings, so this is the one that will be prioritized if possible
So here is a quick reference guide for the optimal set-up to brute force through all the wake-up options from each character in the cast
Behind Roomba:
Bane (venom options not tested)
Black Canary
Brainiac
Catwoman
Cheetah
Deadshot
Darkseid
Green Arrow
Flash
Harley Quinn
Poison Ivy
Robin
Wonderwoman
Forward Roomba:
Aquaman
Black Adam
Blue Beetle
Captain Cold
Cyborg
Green Lantern
Scarecrow
Swamp Thing
Behind Kamikaze:
Atrocitus
Gorilla Grodd
Superman
Forward Kamikaze:
Batman
Supergirl
On my channel is a playlist for every single one of them with some big conversions.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwWtJBurD7zMPJpi7AI39Vw/playlists?shelf_id=0&view=1&sort=dd
I'll pretty it up later, for now it's a useful resource, might add this and kekoa's compilation vid to the OP shortly.
Luckily there is only 5 characters who we have to use Kamikaze against, and all are positive trades even if we don't get much. The majority of the cast we get a combo conversion against using the Roomba. With Batman we even get to combo off the Kamikaze. I recommend every Cyborg main have a quick watch of that playlist, yes its +30 vids, but they are only like 10 seconds each, and worth just seeing what you can get. It's all in alphabetical order, so if you want to use it as a resource or a reference for match-up specifics, you don't have to skip through one video to find the bit you need.
Problem characters are:
Dr Fate - positive trade is impossible, you cannot trade with his wake up at least not off 112 knockdown)
Scarecrow Traumatize - He's not going to have it everytime obviously, but it does leave him with advantage, you knocked down in front of him, and the trade itself does more damage for him than it does for you. Still, as far as trading with a Traumatize goes, he gets no combo so thats a lot better than the alternative I guess
The Flash - trade does more damage his way and sends you away, however it is still really your advantage as you go fullscreen and its rollable, so he has to work his way all the way in and you have the maximum amount of screen possible to play with, however you do lose the corner.
Notes: 112 knockdown is rollable, but if they tech roll it actually takes longer to get it. This is relevant because the roll input for 112 is right near the end of the knockdown just before the wake up buffer, and its really easy to accidentally roll, and thats assuming they know that niche bit of Cyborg information, which if they don't they will probably be rolling anyway. Some wake-ups coming out on roll open up a larger window to get stuffed quite consistently by a normal. In some match-ups against non-fully invincible wake-ups like against say a Brainiac trying to contest your set-up with a fast wake-up charge, you might be well off following up a Back-Trait set-up with D2~TA, which is practically the same as S2~TA except slightly less block advantage, but comes out a little faster and combos them into the Trait, which S2 does not. I added a clip for Black Adam and Brainiac's wake-ups getting stuffed if they happen to tech roll, but there may be more out there, I'm not fully aware of which wake-ups become stuffable. There is also niche interactions like Darkseid's punch walk wake up, if he rolls the wake up comes out slower so the second hit doesn't connect, the first hit has fuck all blockstun and you get a 535 damage combo on his ass for a barif anyone finds any other things like this let me know and ill add them in.
If I missed any wake-ups let me know. I know I missed Darkseid's knee and Jokers buzzer, I'll put them in tomorrow.
The next step to this resource is breaking down our pressure options off each set-up. I am fairly familiar with what we get off behind Trait set-up, for example, and I'll add that in myself. Wondering what our pressure-paths are off Kamikaze drone and forward Roomba are, I know Kamikaze covers the gap in 112, but if I could get you @Kekoa to respond to this with a little bit of a breakdown of what these two trait set-ups give us pressure wise, that would be sick.
This is all off 112 knockdown I'm also going to look into 113~Trait/TA as I know it opens up a whole bunch of other punishes, and might be the optimal punish for specific characters wake ups, however its not really a pressure set up as theres no real advantage and pretty sure most characters can just punish your set-up and/or just jump out lol. Will check to make sure tho.
yes please, what options from flying drones and forward roomba do you know of. Even if it doesnt all jail.
Damn that's so sick
im done playing him till i get my Hitbox, too many stuffed AA's
we can play tomorrow arvo tho
that's fucking great. wow.
Trait loop is old lol but still dope though
Damn dude that's a lot of work, and really appreciate it.
Yep, the Cyborg community is the best one free.
@Kooron Nation I hope it helps! Lol the first song is by Stradeus - Holy and the second is by Deemed and Defkon - Begotten
