Question - Cyber Sub-Zero Cyber Sub-Zero...Is he too Strong? Brief Overview

[Lokheit]

Something that irks me a bit is why some characters can break universal rules like being able to cancel your backdash when the rest of the cast can't (that's HUGE and blows out a lot of strategies). That's not the only "design rule" broken by a KP2 character.

EDIT: It seems that the backdash he can cancel isn't his regular one but the B2 one, still he can special cancel without needing to hit while any other whiff can't, but at least it's not what I initially understood (being able to cancel "back back" mid dash), that would've been too much.

 

[JDM]

Wow this character is insane. And I thought Alien was cheap lolol

 

[Asodimazze]

By the way, what happens if you backdash that last setup, instead of using armor?

No idea, I can't test it now

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

Everyone looks good when opponent is not fighting back. Though one thing is for sure that other characters will be wasting their meter to punish CSZ only to fail.

 

[Eldriken]

Hm. I might use Cyber Sub just because he's stupid.

 

[1man3letters]

wouldnt be suprized if divekick gets changed to a mid with the way his bombs working in this game haha
the price of divekicks have changed this time around it seems

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Seems like you found the good, I found the bad & the ugly

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Stop trying to get him nerfed. I payed good money for this character

 

[FROST_]

So, bombs and divekick should be mids. Ok.

I don't see how this character can be any less than broken. Tons of extremely stupid stuff

Yeah I guess so.... but this still looks dumb especially after they nerfed Quan because of this reason (well atleast he cant restand) but he can probably armour break everything with it... and if you delay get up he would recover from the Divekick by then

its early now but we see.

Lab to see defense against first 10 hours n already calling OD or nerfs smh

 

[TackyHaddock]

That looks scary AF.

 

[Kickbykick]

If the ever nerf him, i would say only change the dive kick to a mid to prevent otg "unblockable" setups. nothing else. He has good mobility, a lot of gaps, tons of stuff, hard execution and to get damage into setups. etc

 

[Kickbykick]

he really has no mixup apart for his dive kick. 18 frame overhead, 11 frame low. fuzzy?

 

[IrishMantis]

Lab to see defense against first 10 hours n already calling OD or nerfs smh

You know Reo is the one who brought up this with well layed out potential evidence

is your post aimed at him too?

 

[Osagri]

YouTube link?

 

[Prinz]

Lab to see defense against first 10 hours n already calling OD or nerfs smh

No! I demand nerfs on the first 10 hours of the character being out. Also I demand a shit ton of likes.

Spoiler

Post is srcastic, just in case.

 

[PetulantWaste]

Wow, this seems almost unfun to play against. If divekick is gonna be a super fast overhead that you can use as a mix ups and set ups then I want it to be -40 on block.

 

[JHCRANE 14]

Ok, when I get home I am going straight to the lab with Smoke & Cyber Sub.

One question though...how do you unlock Cyber Sub?

 

[Paul the Octopus]

I was just thinking this lol.

Yun and yang were absolutely stupid initially (and in fact turned me off from SF for a while), but Capcom's overall track record really isn't bad at all.

In super, we got Adon, Cody, Dee jay, Dudley, guy, hakan, ibuki, juri, makoto, t hawk. All FAR from broken. Arguably all mid tier or worse.

In AE we got Evil Ryu, oni, yun, yang - only the twins were dumb. Remember evil Ryu was mediocre before ultra.

Then in ultra we got one broke character - elena - and four reasonable ones. And elena you can excuse because I think capcom legitimately had no idea how good she would be.

In MKX and Injustice well over half the DLC were broke on release. And the characters are OBVIOUSLY broken - I can not imagine someone designing Tanya and thinking her original version was anything but OP.

It doesn't compare at all.

 

[ienjoywinning]

Wow!!!

Unless his dmg is no less than terrible why would you use CSZ over Cyrax when it looks like he can do what Cyrax does but better?

Because cyrax has a pseudo block infinite

 

[Mikemetroid]

CSZ is a nightmare because unlike his MK9 counterpart... he works... lol

 

[SPY]

He needs Mid divekick and backdash normalization, other than that he's fine.

 

[Samsara]

Fuck this community tbh sometimes. You'll accuse the Subby players for being obnoxious while you work as hard as you can to get him nerfed. I hope you're all happy with the results when this character gets gutted.

Been out for a fucking day.

 

[Samsara]

Bunch of hypocrites.

 

[ChaosTheory]

The back-dash cancel is really cool. I wish that was a universal mechanic.

I'm not calling anything broken yet (as obvious as it seems to be), but wouldn't a mid bomb make more sense? You'd still be occupying space with a static launcher that you throw into the opponent's space. But to pair that with the overhead options (especially the divekick) seems like an odd choice for balance.

Quan Chi's bat is dumb, but at least a person could justify weak defense or whatever.

And once again, that back-dash cancel should be a universal mechanic. Fucking cool.

 

[TheIrishFGCguy]

Fuck this community tbh sometimes. You'll accuse the Subby players for being obnoxious while you work as hard as you can to get him nerfed. I hope you're all happy with the results when this character gets gutted.

Been out for a fucking day.

Yeah but, watch the video. Fuck nerf talk this early but the character does clearly appear to have some insane dirt.