Competetive needs to add the special abilities!

[trufenix]

Congratulations Capcom, you have actually convinced real competitive players casual content doesn't even belong on the disc.

 

[Eric The Scruffy]

But why not make it fun like mkx where over 90 different variations with different specials are catered to competitive play as well. Why take a step backwards

Whose to say its backwards? If the goal is fun then why *not* be crazy over the top and broken?

Its all about perspective.

 

[Kroaken]

Whose to say its backwards? If the goal is fun then why *not* be crazy over the top and broken?

Its all about perspective.

Not to mention, despite both being made my nrs, it's two different series. Injustice 2 isn't and doesn't need to be mk11.

 

[John Silhacek]

Just wanted to chime in, as a long time player of many games with dual modes like this.

I think its fair to say that some characters just aren't hitting the mark. I would LOVE if joker had his crowbar fling at least. A buff of his base moveset doesn't help much IMO. But I sure as hell don't want sonicfox to have some shit like that when I'm playing him to get out of pools at evo.

Personally I think that as a community we should just respect each other's spaces instead of trying to invade. When I go to player match online its cool if you want abilities on. I'm going to play the match out. Just don't get mad at me if I only want to play one fight.

Some of us are trying to improve and rise on the competitive circuit. Which have rules for a reason. I will also echo that even if the selections were limited, it would still take too much time to set up load outs for every fight. Now you're asking nrs to include all of these extra abilities in their balancing.

"But the base roster isn't even balanced." I saw infiltration win at evo with hakan. If you want swamp thing in ceo top 8, its totally possible if you want to work hard to do so. Black Adam won't be top tier forever. Nerfs, buffs, and adaptations will happen.

The most plausible conclusion would be to ask organizers to host gear enabled side tournaments. Would it ever be a main event? Depends on how big the demand is I suppose. Ultimately this thread will never end lol.

Instead of each side just saying the other is wrong for wanting something different, we should really just step aside. If you want gear enabled tournaments make a push for it, gather people that want it. If it becomes the majority it will. Dont just demand competitive mode changes because you disagree. That's not going to change anything.

I agree with you. I think my biggest gripe with this game is that I'm so tired of seeing the same 6 characters in tournament and online casuals. I want to see new stuff with new tech. It's a shame when I constantly see a top player divert from the characters they like playing more just to stay competitive. You can even feel the excitement in the crowd when someone chooses the underdog character and plays well with them. It's going to make this game very boring very quick, not even to just play but even to watch. I love the NRS games and hope to keep enjoying them. Hopefully change will happen soon.

 

[KH_Seraph]

Honestly...

They should have left alternate ability options to alternate supermoves/animations, and not actual special moves that could be useful tools in matchups, including bad ones.

This would have made unlocked abilities still both exciting, and useable in a competitive setting (Street Fighter 3 set a great example). NRS dropped the ball on this one. There were quite a few characters in the roster gimped because of that design choice which really hurts.

Not only that, but this would have given NRS an excuse to come up with more cool animations for super moves.

 

[thlityoursloat]

Depends on the ability though. Superman has an ability that makes his super unblockable. Nobody wants that in competitive mode.

LMAO, I think there should be a compilation for everyone's reactions when they got hit by this super, while expecting the regular super.

 

[headcrusher]

Superman's xray can hit you no matter what without the ability. That shit is op.

 

[MadPropz101]

I was all for this until i realized that some abilities are insanely strong, so i'd say it's probably not a good idea.

 

[JoeKing]

I agree with you. I think my biggest gripe with this game is that I'm so tired of seeing the same 6 characters in tournament and online casuals. I want to see new stuff with new tech. It's a shame when I constantly see a top player divert from the characters they like playing more just to stay competitive. You can even feel the excitement in the crowd when someone chooses the underdog character and plays well with them. It's going to make this game very boring very quick, not even to just play but even to watch. I love the NRS games and hope to keep enjoying them. Hopefully change will happen soon.

I agree with you. Once you get to maybe top 8/4 its all the same. But that's on the players and I believe in that 100%. I do not think that Harley or ivy are top ten characters in this game. Yet biohazard and dragon have placed the past two majors.(CEO was close for bio but that's besides the point.) Even hayatei with robin. If you watch war of the gods or these other tournaments people are playing other characters.

The game is still fairly new in terms of knowledge. And there's not a whole lot of players pushing the envelope for lack of better words IMO. There's our top players and people just mostly copy what they find. People don't have the time to come up with things. People want the results without effort. There's plenty of reasons behind it.

If you want to see swamp thing you're going to have to play him and put in the work. Or find players doing the work and help as much as you can. Tier lists may be relevant when they are accurate. However I always believed that those character super specialists always have an advantage.

Also, the meta lends opportunity to play these uncharted characters. Forever king lost to joker in top 8. As a joker main from igau, he didn't improve at all. Almost got worse IMO. But king was unfamiliar with new joker because "no one plays him." He got hit with a lot of unblockable crowbars.

So as time goes on I strongly believe you'll see character variety. Aside from nerfs/buffs/dlc. Remember when dead shot was the best in the game hands down week 1? I don't remember him in top 8 at CEO.

 

[Espio]

There's an interesting correlation to people who want gear abilities legal and tournament activity. Nobody is stopping anyone from playing with abilities offline or online with friends or whoever. If you're not traveling though, it really shouldn't be something for you to be asking/worrying about. Ya'll crying about the balance now, but when Batman( who is already a dominant character gets double hitting batarangs among others) everyone of you will be salty about the balance then too. The more variables added, the less likely balance will be acheived. People talk about the abilities in a vacuum like the top tier won't also benefit. You can give Swamp Thing his additional abilities or Cheetah and it'll help them, but it probably won't really when already strong characters get the help too of their strong abilities.

 

[Jaku2011]

There's an interesting correlation to people who want gear abilities legal and tournament activity. Nobody is stopping anyone from playing with abilities offline or online with friends or whoever. If you're not traveling though, it really shouldn't be something for you to be asking/worrying about. Ya'll crying about the balance now, but when Batman( who is already a dominant character gets double hitting batarangs among others) everyone of you will be salty about the balance then too. The more variables added, the less likely balance will be acheived. People talk about the abilities in a vacuum like the top tier won't also benefit. You can give Swamp Thing his additional abilities or Cheetah and it'll help them, but it probably won't really when already strong characters get the help too of their strong abilities.

Ughhhh dude it's not about the goddamn balance of the game (it's not like they wouldn't patch the broken gear moves anyway if they tried to implement them). It's a question of why is gear even like this in the first place. It's just such a shitty system that locks legitimately interesting content of the game away for no reason. It just feels like such a step backwards from variations

 

[Espio]

Ughhhh dude it's not about the goddamn balance of the game (it's not like they wouldn't patch the broken gear moves anyway if they tried to implement them). It's a question of why is gear even like this in the first place. It's just such a shitty system that locks legitimately interesting content of the game away for no reason. It just feels like such a step backwards from variations

Are you lost or...? Can you or can you not play with gear and gear abilities on online or offline? It's a yes or no question. If the answer is yes please stop and please stop saying it's locked away. You can use it, just not in the way you want (which again, if you're not going offline to majors or locals why try to get things changed? My theory of who wants it matches up to those who travel and who doesn't so far) The question has been asked and answered already. Swearing ain't gonna make a point for you either sir.

 

[Jaku2011]

Are you lost or...? Can you or can you not play with gear and gear abilities on online or offline? It's a yes or no question. If the answer is yes please stop and pelase stop saying it's locked away. You can use it, just not in the way you want (which again, if you're not going offline to majors or locals why try to get things changed?) The question has been asked and answered already. Swearing ain't gonna make a point for you either sir.

Uhhh RNG sounds pretty locked away to me and I play the game too so I can ask for whatever I please.

 

[JoeKing]

Uhhh RNG sounds pretty locked away to me and I play the game too so I can ask for whatever I please.

Sounds like you're upset that you can't get gear n stuff that you want. Which is understandable but doesn't have much to do with competitive...

 

[Jaku2011]

Sounds like you're upset that you can't get gear n stuff that you want. Which is understandable but doesn't have much to do with competitive...

Sounds like I'm talking about an inferior system to MKX that didn't have to be this way...

 

[Espio]

Uhhh RNG sounds pretty locked away to me and I play the game too so I can ask for whatever I please.

Most games have features you unlock by playing so I guess homie. You're framing it like you can't use them at all or someone is stopping you. You can for sure, I'm just responding because you quoted me I don't care what you ask for lul. I'm just stating my point which I am also entitled to do. I guess just deal?

 

[JoeKing]

Sounds like I'm talking about an inferior system to MKX that didn't have to be this way...

Then why not skip I2 and just play mkx? Not like this was a surprise.

 

[Jaku2011]

Then why not skip I2 and just play mkx? Not like this was a surprise.

Because I played MKX for two years man don't be that guy.

 

[JoeKing]

Because I played MKX for two years man don't be that guy.

Lol you're being that guy by being upset with me when I didn't do anything to you. I even agreed with you in my first reply. I didn't like mkx. I played it for a month and dropped it. I played igau until i2 dropped.

 

[JoeKing]

But still not on topic.

 

[haketh]

Superman's xray can hit you no matter what without the ability. That shit is op.

And it does no damage compared to the normal one & you can backdash it & it's highly telegraphed