Hawkeye1345
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Swap Robin with Darkseid IMOWhat's up guys... So her bad match ups are Batman, Green Arrow, and Darkseid? That's it?
Swap Robin with Darkseid IMOWhat's up guys... So her bad match ups are Batman, Green Arrow, and Darkseid? That's it?
Still not bad.. I followed @RevetLeafing with his Pyromancer propaganda and enjoyed it so I will give her a go.Swap Robin with Darkseid IMO
We can admire the optimism but there numbers are way off base. There is nothing in Cheetahs tool kit that can back up this many winning match-ups.@RevetLeafing i remember us talking about her matchups earlier in the game. We have different play style with cheetah which make me wonder and wanted to compere our numbers.
Subzreo 6-4
Swamp t 6-4
Cyborg 6-4
Catwoman 5-5
Flash 5-5
Green latern 6-4
Harley quinn 4-6
Batman 3-7
Redhood 5-5
Superman 5-5
Joker 6-4
Atrocitus 5-5
Grood 6-4
Dead shot 6-4
Poison ivy 7-3
Starfire 6-4
Atom 6-4 maybe 2 early 2 call it
Enchantress to early to say but it feels 6-4
Black manta ? no idea
Supergirl 6-4
Green arrow 3-7
Doctor fate 5-5
Blue beetle no idea
Firestorm 5-5
Aguaman 6-4
Black canary 6-4
Darkseid 6-4
Wonder woman 4-6
Black adam 6-4
Captain cold 6-4
Robin 6-4
Scarecrow 5-5
Bane no idea
Brainiac 5-5
Raiden 6-4
Also how she doesn't beat Fate is also puzzlingI'd really like some elaboration on how Cheetah has an advantage against Supergirl. I fully appreciate I might be playing the matchup all wrong, but I simply don't see it at all.
She beats Fate 7-3@RevetLeafing i remember us talking about her matchups earlier in the game. We have different play style with cheetah which make me wonder and wanted to compere our numbers.
Subzreo 6-4
Swamp t 6-4
Cyborg 6-4
Catwoman 5-5
Flash 5-5
Green latern 6-4
Harley quinn 4-6
Batman 3-7
Redhood 5-5
Superman 5-5
Joker 6-4
Atrocitus 5-5
Grood 6-4
Dead shot 6-4
Poison ivy 7-3
Starfire 6-4
Atom 6-4 maybe 2 early 2 call it
Enchantress to early to say but it feels 6-4
Black manta ? no idea
Supergirl 6-4
Green arrow 3-7
Doctor fate 5-5
Blue beetle no idea
Firestorm 5-5
Aguaman 6-4
Black canary 6-4
Darkseid 6-4
Wonder woman 4-6
Black adam 6-4
Captain cold 6-4
Robin 6-4
Scarecrow 5-5
Bane no idea
Brainiac 5-5
Raiden 6-4
What is he losing to specifically? His normals dominate the ground game, his b2 is one of the best anti airs free with no whiff recovery, plus he has a 5 frame air to air. His F3 goes over her D3 so he can bait you trying to sweep under orb. MB orb gives him solid protection and his wakeup is safe without meter and he can abuse this forcing Cheetah to either MB F3 or jp 1 just to get oki.Also how she doesn't beat Fate is also puzzling
Ivy may be bottom 10, but I think she either goes even or beats cheetah, plz dont say 7-3 lmao@RevetLeafing i remember us talking about her matchups earlier in the game. We have different play style with cheetah which make me wonder and wanted to compere our numbers.
Subzreo 6-4
Swamp t 6-4
Cyborg 6-4
Catwoman 5-5
Flash 5-5
Green latern 6-4
Harley quinn 4-6
Batman 3-7
Redhood 5-5
Superman 5-5
Joker 6-4
Atrocitus 5-5
Grood 6-4
Dead shot 6-4
Poison ivy 7-3
Starfire 6-4
Atom 6-4 maybe 2 early 2 call it
Enchantress to early to say but it feels 6-4
Black manta ? no idea
Supergirl 6-4
Green arrow 3-7
Doctor fate 5-5
Blue beetle no idea
Firestorm 5-5
Aguaman 6-4
Black canary 6-4
Darkseid 6-4
Wonder woman 4-6
Black adam 6-4
Captain cold 6-4
Robin 6-4
Scarecrow 5-5
Bane no idea
Brainiac 5-5
Raiden 6-4
Right, I swear, even the fate community realizes the mu is actually not bad for him at all. He keeps her out extremely well with orb and he beats her in the neutral. b2 beats her leaps free, j1 is really good.What is he losing to specifically? His normals dominate the ground game, his b2 is one of the best anti airs free with no whiff recovery, plus he has a 5 frame air to air. His F3 goes over her D3 so he can bait you trying to sweep under orb. MB orb gives him solid protection and his wakeup is safe without meter and he can abuse this forcing Cheetah to either MB F3 or jp 1 just to get oki.
I can see how most of the changes you pointed have a good chance to be true but there is 2 that i just can not see happening. She for sure does not lose to supergirl and most definally does not beat doctor fate 7-3. I play a lot with a great doctor fate offline and there is nothing that she can do that will make that machup 7-3.She beats Fate 7-3
She beats Scarecrow 6-4
She might lose to Robin 4-6
Beats Deadshot 7-3
Subzero 5-5
She Beats Harley 6-4
Beats Beetle 6-4
Loses to Supergirl 4-6
There are more changes i'd add to yours but i'll keep it simple for now
My bad a forgot about something ivy can do that make the matchup 6-4 and not 7-3 but cheetah still wins this matchupIvy may be bottom 10, but I think she either goes even or beats cheetah, plz dont say 7-3 lmao
Well Ivy used to be my main and I'm telling you that it's even or ivy wins itMy bad a forgot about something ivy can do that make the matchup 6-4 and not 7-3 but cheetah still wins this matchup
Ivy loses to cheetah because cheetah has one of the fastest dash in the game one dash and she is in. Cheetah can play footsies very well against by staying right out b2 range and forcing ivy to take risk to zone her. Poor aa in ivy side give cheetah the advantage in the footsies game.
I wrote a lot more but i do not know what happen. I do not feel like redoing it again sorry
This hasn't been my experience at all. Maybe in ranked where people get hit by random gimmicks but against someone who is clever and knows their options; Ivy does more damage, jp2 stop any predictable pounces, Ivys B3 can be hard to deal with forcing you to always dash up into armor break and if you block she gets another b2 check into pressure, her back walk-speed is very high so its hard to throw/stagger her even on hit, in the corner Cheetah gets bullied hard and is a power character (ivy gadget), Cheetah can't back dash anything plus on block and has a 7 frame poke so Ivy gets the best out of her mind games (even if it isn't the best), if you whiff a command grab or she jumps on a read you are eating a hell of a lot of damage into trait set-up, Cheetah is meter intensive and Ivy demands meter from MB b3 to counter her F3 and pushblock for trait shenanigans.My bad a forgot about something ivy can do that make the matchup 6-4 and not 7-3 but cheetah still wins this matchup
Ivy loses to cheetah because cheetah has one of the fastest dash in the game one dash and she is in. Cheetah can play footsies very well against by staying right out b2 range and forcing ivy to take risk to zone her. Poor aa in ivy side give cheetah the advantage in the footsies game.
I wrote a lot more but i do not know what happen. I do not feel like redoing it again sorry
I'm sure you know that MU better than everyone cause you probably play Yung all the time. So I'm not going to doubt youWw vs Cheetah is 7-3 btw
I need to see match footage to see this in action.@Zionix her back walk speed does not matter if you will be force to stop walking back because of cheetah 's d3, or is ivy going to be getting hit by a d3 every time she is close?
"Ivy's b3 is hard to deal with" no really do you know how much wiff recovery that move has? And how slow it is on startup? And no character in this game needs meter to counter ivy's f3.
I have play many good ivy players and they and no in a set of 3 in ranks but for over 20 games. Ivy has poor defense options against cheetah and that is the problem for her in this matchup