Catwoman General Discussion. "The Claws Are Out!"

[TamedLizard]

How are the staggers good if they are nullified?

They're only nullified if someone knows how to exploit the OS. Regardless, it doesn't change her frame data.

I cannot bring myself to do F112 on block and then press B1 afterwards. That's just crazy

F112 is not your only option and nor is B1 as a follow-up. S2, 11, B1, 33, 2D2, F1, F11, F112, B2, B12, 12, F2U3...none of these are worse than -5. A stagger does not have to be plus on block to be legit.

 

[Rey]

They're only nullified if someone knows how to exploit the OS. Regardless, it doesn't change her frame data.



F112 is not your only option and nor is B1 as a follow-up. S2, 11, B1, 33, 2D2, F1, F11, F112, B2, B12, 12, F2U3...none of these are worse than -5. A stagger does not have to be plus on block to be legit.

So True!
Also the Plus Frames Strings.
And you can also cancel all of these Strings Into Cat stance which means the opportunitie to
Backdash, cartwheel which is + or Into pounce which is -7 (the badest Frame Data of these options)

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

I need a counter pick for harley and superman...how does catwoman do there?

 

[Kooron Nation]

I need a counter pick for harley and superman...how does catwoman do there?

She beats Supes, there's not a lot he can do about her J2 except make a read and air to air J1, which if he guesses incorrectly, you get a full combo punish.
Also if he commits to a 2nd f23 after breath or f23, her b3 low profiles.
Also evading his lasers is pretty easy with some practice.
Harley is probably even, not sure though haven't played a good Harley, but one thing I know is that she can evade her Hyennas which is pretty good

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

She beats Supes, there's not a lot he can do about her J2 except make a read and air to air J1, which if he guesses incorrectly, you get a full combo punish.
Also if he commits to a 2nd f23 after breath or f23, her b3 low profiles.
Also evading his lasers is pretty easy with some practice.
Harley is probably even, not sure though haven't played a good Harley, but one thing I know is that she can evade her Hyennas which is pretty good

so what combo am i doing after b3?

 

[Kooron Nation]

so what combo am i doing after b3?

J2, 112xxdf1 (this will get you more corner carry)
or
delayed J3, 1f2 (leaves them right at your feet, about 32 hit adv)

 

[Kooron Nation]

@STB Shujinkydink does this mean CatWoman ranked videos hmmmm?

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

@STB Shujinkydink does this mean CatWoman ranked videos hmmmm?

i think so

 

[Kooron Nation]

i think so

Try this big boy corner combo;
B12d3 xx dd3(1), f2xxdb1, 12xxbf2MB, f3, b2xxtrait, should be about 570 damage

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Try this big boy corner combo;
B12d3 xx dd3(1), f2xxdb1, 12xxbf2MB, f3, b2xxtrait, should be about 570 damage

already on it boss

 

[Laos_boy]

ew I remember there were like 4 Catwoman players.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

They're only nullified if someone knows how to exploit the OS. Regardless, it doesn't change her frame data.



F112 is not your only option and nor is B1 as a follow-up. S2, 11, B1, 33, 2D2, F1, F11, F112, B2, B12, 12, F2U3...none of these are worse than -5. A stagger does not have to be plus on block to be legit.

None of that is legit lol, she has actual + frames, use them.
A stagger does have to be + to be legit.

 

[Kooron Nation]

Not sure if anyone here is interested, but this set is myself playing against Australia's best Injustice 2/MKX player, @Wazminator
I wanna be the best CatWoman in Australia lol so we had a mirror to see if I could take the throne.....not a chance.

 

[Reauxbot]

It is though lol. The problem lies in the universal D1/D2 mashing OS on block. Completely nullifies her stagger game.



:3
Real talk though, we're not avoiding anything. She's just solid. Not overpowered, not broken, just extremely good. If anything, a slap on the wrist regarding damage. And imo, it should only be trait's damage.

I forgot about her trait. The Catwoman players I was fighting weren't really using her trait.

 

[Rey]

None of that is legit lol, she has actual + frames, use them.
A stagger does have to be + to be legit.

In general, a stagger doesnt have to be plus to be legit.

 

[TamedLizard]

None of that is legit lol, she has actual + frames, use them.
A stagger does have to be + to be legit.

You must have missed 2D2

"Legit" was probably poor wording on my part. Should have said "useful". A few of those are a stretch (like F2U3 or S2) but many of them have merit, especially when it comes to baiting backdashes out of her gaps and staggering into throws.

 

[Kooron Nation]

I just got discord, is there a CatWoman one I could grab an invite to?

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

I need a counter pick for harley and superman...how does catwoman do there?

She beats Superman and right now I think Harley is even with her but Catwoman might beat her in the long run.

 

[@MylesWright_]

In general, a stagger doesnt have to be plus to be legit.

Plus or frame traps. There needs to be a reason for your opponent to not be pressing buttons which there isn't with the Catwoman staggers people are losing their minds over

 

[Rey]

Plus or frame traps. There needs to be a reason for your opponent to not be pressing buttons which there isn't with the Catwoman staggers people are losing their minds over

Like @TamedLizard said before, the Problem here is the word "legit".
In my opinion a stagger is more complexer than just + Frames. It CAN also be + Frames for Sure.
Look at mkx for example.
Mileenas b1 / b12( Piercing ) wasn't Plus and it was a Huge stagger Move.
Takedas b1 / b11 (Ronin) was also a Good stagger
Its also the Animation of a Move that becomes important. Some Moves looks dangerous even they are - on Block.
Conditioning your Opponent also plays a role in that Case.
Or look at catwomans 33.
Its only -2 on block and the Animation of the b2 after the 33 is slow.
So you waiting for it to Block.
So the reaction Timing is much Shorter.
I Hope you know what i mean cause i have Trouble to find the right words

 

[Elias6999]

Can someone explain what a stagger is?

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

I do think her - on block staggers aren't legit at all since all you have to do is mash D1 on block and it will only come out when she stops but the + on block ones are legit obviously.

It's true that a stagger is way more complex but in this case, with the OS there's not a mindgame at all.


Mileena's were way too different because of the pushback it had, she could walk backwards and whiff punish poke attempts and you couldn't OS a poke against her.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Can someone explain what a stagger is?

Basically is doing a string or normal that Is part of another longer string and it's either safe or plus on block. It's basically stopping in the middle of a string (as I said, it should be safe or + but some people even use very negative strings, I would not do that ever tho) and going for another normal/string after since there's usually a mindgame between "is he going to finish the string or stop?" Also usually you can walk back and punish pokes if the pushback is good enough and if it's barely negative most of the times. It's another way of opening up your oponents.


Example: Catwoman's 2D2 on block into B12d3

 

[Rey]

Im talking about generell stagger not specific Catwoman.
Btw These OS's should not exist in generell.

 

[masherofbuttons]

Yeah after having played a lot of catwoman the staggers aren't as good as I initially thought. The os isn't end all be all though. If people are mashing d1 during your staggers you can blow them up with armor or just block and be at frame advantage to continue pressure
Edit: also I absolutely love shimmying people it feels so satisfying