Stop holding back after TS input. Since back and forward are follow ups to TS, holding either one will count as "button presses" and prioritize over actual button follow ups.
If I'm using TS for a combo it's no problem, but if I want to wake up with it... then I want to hold back to block in case I screw up the wake up timing.
That's fine and all, but I'm just saying, if you hold back, you are going to keep rolling back after TS.
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No MB on SS, TS, TS follow ups... Tsk tsk tsk
This is by far the most reasonable change to her trait. Keep the cooldown, make each one usable on command and lower their numbers. Makes perfect sense. Only thing that scares me is that unblockable bomb is potentially REALLY good if usable on command... though people can reversal out of knockdown resets, at least.
I'm ok with that
I disagree... Making the player have to choose/read is a drastic change over the knowledge/discipline of just holding down. Harley's pressure can be very fluent and momentum based if done right.. Want to stop her, holding down shuts her down. If you have the knowledge/discipline to hold down, chances are you are going to be able to read the follow up overhead (F3), jump in attack or cross over jump. As of right now.. TS-1 is hitting people more on frame trap advantage other than a wrong guess/read (outside of hit confirm combo that is) the more people see it, the more they will just hold down throughout the whole attack and not try to hit her between jump kick and cartwheel/guns/handstand. There are 3 options out of TS, there should be 3 different options to have to block.. I don't think it's too much to ask for the different follow ups to have different properties.
The trait then gets broken the other way.. Her trait cool down comes back VERY fast.. Put that together with a majority of her combos pushing the opponent away.. And you have insta-heal every time trait pops... No big deal cause its 5% or less regen ? Okay.. So then that makes the Rose option useless.. Now, if she is playing a keep away game, pop the Joker picture for damage., able to do after any range Pop Pop, then continued pressure at higher damage.. 5% no big deal, since pistols do approx 4% normal on hit.. Totaling 9% total on picture buff.. If that is your thing.. Sure... But let's be real here.. With the dynamite option, no one is going to be using the other two.. And this is what people want.. "Control" of that dynamite.. I don't know man.. It just doesn't do it for me.. Clearly this trait was an oversight by the dev's.. And a fix is needed, but I would rather a new trait period than any fix they could issue. When compared to the other cast.. Even control of the bag, with adjusted "damage ratios" still seems sub par.
Making TS > 1 an overhead doesn't force anyone to make a choice or read. It forces them to default to holding back and down backing on reaction to TS > 2, instead of defaulting to down back. Maybe I'm underestimating TS > 2's startup but it seems pretty slow and easily reactable to me. It would just be an auto-pilot mix-up that eats low level players, at high level play it would still be unsafe.
I would say you are correct if the actual TS did not hit low or at all. But due to it hitting low, this is where the mix up comes in to have to raise up to block a 1 or stay crouched to block a 2. As the move works now. TS and follow-up are 2 separate moves that flow into each other, and both blocked the same way. At the start of he match.. Defense and reads are great.. But as time an life dwindles down, and the match is on the line.. Being cool under pressure tends to occur less and that is when people tend to make mistakes due to thinking too much about what they are going to do or become too risky trying to finish off the foe.
doomsday's trait is actually extremely bad once people learn to stun lock him with fast jabs/strings
I think a quicker overhead..or something that hits overhead during her strings is not too much to ask for.. I think your use of her in tier due to this is too grateful.. She would still mid-tier, but with more viable or (GASP) AN option once in close ( God for F'ing bid) Much tech still lays hidden!! Lets do this!
