I completely disagree with you about this character. I've played Sub-Zero since just about day 1 and while I don't claim to be a top player, I understand the character at a pretty good level. Sub-Zero is really nothing like Johnny Cage. The only thing they share is good offense but their offense is good for completely different reasons. Sub-Zero's offense is not a frametrap-based offense and never will be, it isn't even about staggering your strings with him, although you can sometimes do that with 21. Sub-Zero is 100% footsies, whether you're playing him offensively or defensively. 100% footsies. As a result, Sub-Zero doesn't really have a plan A and only a plan A. Sub-Zero is a catologue of a character; you dump all your matchup experience into him and respond to characters based on how they are played by the other person. You exploit any and all patterns you see in your opponent's game. The thing with Sub-Zero is while he has to get in, he only needs one good read to do it, and if you play Sub-Zero around knockdowns, as you should, in my opinion, there's no reason why you can't open up the most favourable aspects of Sub-Zero's offensive game, a lot of which does revolve around your mixups on your opponent's wakeup and your corner game.
I haven't played any of them so I don't really know what they'd do against my Sub-Zero. I have played against very good players, however, and I feel Sub-Zero is very competitive at the highest level. My losses are always down to me and not the character, and that is actually a fact, lol, as I don't feel anywhere near as confident with any other character as I do Sub. Foxy needs to pick Sub up as a fourth or fifth character as he does play a very good Sub-Zero, or he did, haven't seen him play him in a while.
A Scorpion X-Ray? Wtf? HAHAHA!! Wow..
Jade has armor on her shadow kick, staff overhead, glow(obvious, but just adidng it).
Oh of course, 17 pages of awesome bottom 5s, all containing basically the same characters. I sure will.
x)... Fucking retarded stuff.
On current patch, I can go back and forth with good players and all their characters as Sub-Zero, apart from when I play against a few like Foxy and Jay. That's not the character though, that's just them being better and as I say, it really wouldn't matter who I played, the results would be the same. There are plenty of people who are better than me at the game so I try not to blame the character I play or the one I lose to. Sub-Zero can compete, honestly. I understand the frsutration as I;'ve been frustrated lots of times with Sub but he's still good. As an example, I've played against good Jax players, and I think Sub beats Jax which is apparently a matchup he loses according to many. It's all about reads with Sub. His damage sucks but you have to use what you have. I am convinced good reads are way more important than a few more points of damage here and there, anyway.Oh of course, 17 pages of awesome bottom 5s, all containing basically the same characters. I sure will.
If the list had Kabal, I would think you were joking. Sektor is kind of plausible.
salvificblood Were those matches on the current patch? Did those players have experience on the matchup? Did they use their best character? If yes is the answer for all three questions, then I think you are way better than you think you are.
The damage nerf is ridiculous , but the worst thing is damage scaling... SZ's damage already sucks to begin with. Cyrax, on the other hand, has a WAY better version of the Ice blast and the scaling barely hurts him. In fact, he can do >70% damage with ONE bar off a net that hits (I've seen more). The most guaranteed damage sub can get is 55% on the corner with 3 bars
No...all you had to do was read the page the actual post was on.Oh of course, 17 pages of awesome bottom 5s, all containing basically the same characters. I sure will.
If the list had Kabal, I would think you were joking. Sektor is kind of plausible.
salvificblood Were those matches on the current patch? Did those players have experience on the matchup? Did they use their best character? If yes is the answer for all three questions, then I think you are way better than you think you are.
The damage nerf is ridiculous , but the worst thing is damage scaling... SZ's damage already sucks to begin with. Cyrax, on the other hand, has a WAY better version of the Ice blast and the scaling barely hurts him. In fact, he can do >70% damage with ONE bar off a net that hits (I've seen more). The most guaranteed damage sub can get is 55% on the corner with 3 bars
You're outrageous.
Agreed totally with Slips here. It's insane to put Sektor in such list, even more that he is a hell of "underused" and/or unexplored in tourneys, and even this way, he has decent gameplay tools to go face-to-face with almost the entire roster of MK9.
Smoke seems to have Mr Stretch arms in the air too
Air grab range is pretty diabolical too, its really good air to air, just most air to airs arent planned, so taking the airgrab is usually not what you are tryin to do.
true u have to superman efficiently to beat cyber, kano prolly isnt that bad considering the characters limitations up close. Reptile can be rough.. none of them are really "bad". personally i struggle with kung lao the most
okay yeah she has her issues is 36% really that bad for a bnb, xray is useless since you're usin meter constantly anyway. I thought the accidental boomerangs were just my lack of stick control. but low launcher turns into 30% percent if you enh shadow kick, shadow kick after and in corner is very good. i'm not sayin she's great but a jade player should be constantly glowing building meter and the accidental boomerangs definitely hurt that, which is a flaw that shoulda been addressed instead of nerfin her u3. her 1,2 is an awesome aa that goes into combo. with jade its not about big damage combos she's more about range of her normals her anti zoning zoning and corner game. with her you should be building meter doing constant glows and specials which are safe on block and when they start to pressure you with offense bam ex invincibility for 35%, but this thread is all about opinions and i'm definitely in the minority thinking jade isn't bottom 5.
