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Amplified$hotz

I like Tekken 8
What does it matter if your are born gay or chose to be? It makes no difference either way, aren't people free to choose to live their life? How does being gay hurt you?

And you really need to read it again if you don't think there are any contradictions. Hell there are books of the bible that used to be in it but the church removed and replaced with other books.

Yes I've read it; I went to Catholic school.
I never said gays shouldn't im saying that the whole being born gay thing requires some research on my part until them im not buying that simply being born your gay or straight there has to be more to it

Have you ever sat and discussed with someone who is well educated in theology and what not and asked them about these contradictions. If you want answers then look for them in the right place not on TYM, then cast your judgment

Going to catholic school doesn't mean that you will fully understand the Bible
The same way being in a garage doesn't make you a car, being in church doesn't make you a Christian.
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
I never said gays shouldn't im saying that the whole being born gay thing requires some research on my part until them im not buying that simply being born your gay or straight there has to be more to it

Have you ever sat and discussed with someone who is well educated in theology and what not and asked them about these contradictions. If you want answers then look for them in the right place not on TYM, then cast your judgment

Going to catholic school doesn't mean that you will fully understand the Bible
The same way being in a garage doesn't make you a car, being in church doesn't make you a Christian.
The contradiction I posted are direct contradictions. There's no explaining them away. It's not a matter of interpretation or mistranslation, they are what they are; blatant falsities/errors.

Also, don't you dare tell me I wasn't a true Christian. I studied the bible every Sunday, went to Catholic school for 13 years and was taught all about religious doctrine and the catechism, went to church weekly, and, was an altar boy for 7 years. Don't give me the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy crap. From your posts and what you've said you haven't even properly read your supposed Holy book.

If you think it's a choice, ask yourself this; why would anyone choose to be gay? Why would anyone choose to be persecuted, to be denied rights, to be insulted and called '[ban incoming]' and 'homo', to not be able to show affection to their loved one in public, to be kicked out of their homes, to have the God they believe in call them morally repugnant? Come up with a salient reason. Go on.
 
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Amplified$hotz

I like Tekken 8
The contradiction I posted are direct contradictions. There's no explaining them away. It's not a matter of interpretation or mistranslation, they are what they are; blatant falsities/errors.

Also, don't you dare tell me I wasn't a true Christian. I studied the bible every Sunday, went to Catholic school for 13 years and was taught all about religious doctrine and the catechism, went to church weekly, and, was an altar boy for 7 years. Don't give me the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy crap. From your posts and what you've said you haven't even properly read your supposed Holy book.

If you think it's a choice, ask yourself this; why would anyone choose to be gay? Why would anyone choose to be persecuted, to be denied rights, to be insulted and called '[ban incoming]' and 'homo', to not be able to show affection to their loved one in public, to be kicked out of their homes, to have the God they believe in call them morally repugnant? Come up with a salient reason. Go on.
There are explanations i searched them up. Your not the first to mention then and definitely not the last.

How old were you when you studied the Bible.

I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I'm not sold on it yet. That explanation to me is like"god did it" to you.
I know you want to argue with someone but I'm not in the mood.
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
There are explanations i searched them up. Your not the first to mention then and definitely not the last.

How old were you when you studied the Bible.

I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth. I said I'm not sold on it yet. That explanation to me is like"god did it" to you.
I know you want to argue with someone but I'm not in the mood.
What are the explanations?

I studied the bible from 13-18 years in structured class. Then I did independent research for the last two years.

What words did I put into your mouth? I said don't try the no true Scotsman fallacy, I didn't say that you did try it.

You still haven't provided me a reason why someone would choose to be gay.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
If you think it's a choice, ask yourself this; why would anyone choose to be gay? Why would anyone choose to be persecuted, to be denied rights, to be insulted and called '[ban incoming]' and 'homo', to not be able to show affection to their loved one in public, to be kicked out of their homes, to have the God they believe in call them morally repugnant? Come up with a salient reason. Go on.
Because the love they have for their partner should trump all of that. No offense but if you would rather not be gay because of people judging you and insulting you than be open and confident in who you are then you need to grow a pair and stand up for your sexuality. That's not me saying being gay is a choice by the way that's just my answer to that question :)
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
Posted this in the ISIS thread, but this seems more like the proper thread for this rant.

Race, religion, sexual orientation, social norms, and money have divided us human beings in such a manner that it's inconceivable. Furthermore, it's in such a way that it's irreversible and only a catastrophic event can change this, IMO. That being said, I believe that there are good and evil people in this world, but we have this big grey area that messes with everything.

Here's a stupid example of what I mean. Religion aside if say someone were to turn into a monster such as a vampire, they would have to kill humans in order to survive. (forget the donating of blood here) We as humans kill in order for us to survive. Suchs things like deer, pigs, cows, fish, and etc whom have a life of their own as well. On the other hand with a more extreme thought is that neither God, the Devil nor us can deny the fact that we also need to kill if someone is trying to kill us.

Its a double edged sword because in accordance to our moral principalities, good is good and bad is bad. On the other extreme end, good is bad and bad is good. I'm not saying that what they're doing is right or wrong, but above all else, killing the innocent is not right.

The weak need someone to protect them, but it also comes down to survival of the fittest. I mean, history wasn't written by the men lost and killed, but by the survivors and the con-artist's. More so the elites. Maybe the people supporting and signing up for ISIS are the brain washed people who hear about the Illuminati. I'm a big conspiracy theorist, but there's a bigger picture and deception than what we all know to be the Illuminati. That's just another ploy to deceive that masses into thinking they know something. But do they really know!?

How many people can honestly say that they know how to 'field dress' a deer. Who here can grow a garden without fertilizer, soil and prepackaged seeds? If power was out and electricity was no more, would you be okay with that, honestly? These are the things people should be interested in. Not which celebrity cheated on that one, or how much of an asshole Obama is. Instead of talking politics that we have ZERO control over, how about we talk about I can help you out as a human being living side by side with me unconditionally.

The last part to this rant refers something I started about. Our social dilemma of race and religion. To simply break it down, there are things in place to trick our subliminal mind into thinking a certain way due to media propaganda. First and foremost is black history month. Now while I am white, I could care less if we have a white month or a WET (white entertainment channel). What I do care about is the lack of knowledge and concern for one's race and ethnic background. Yes, Malcolm X and Martin Luther Kings were great upstanding men of thier time, but what about the true history to dark skinned humans. Back in Egypt, they were viewed as 'Demigods' if you will because they were faster, stronger, water beaded off their hair and the sun didn't kill them like it does to light skinned people. Now stick dark skinned people in cold weather and their skin dries up, but lighter skinned people are fine for the most part.

My point to the above is that that's their true history, but it's neglected because the elites don't want us to feel individually powered. All the while keeping that silent stigmata of hate going among races. Likewise how after 9/11 we started thinking about how all Muslims are bad people. The ploy to subdue our minds and control our ways of thinking are in full force now. Just like how we're now being taught to go and tell someone about a bully, than sticking up for ourselves. Teaching our children to be weak than to grow strong and overcome obstacles. The second part is always a touchy subject, but is pertinent to my rant.

My little brother is gay and he's also a Marine. He supports the gay community, but doesn't like tlthe fact that they're all about throwing rainbows with glitter and unicorns out of their pockets. The media portrays the male, gay community as being flamboyant beyond belief and the female, gay community as being manly woman. My brother's exact words, "I just want to be a man with another man." We subliminally fall victim to our media prowess and it needs to be stopped.

In conclusion, ISIS is also the wife to Thoth whom were thought to be the "Adam and Eve" of the Egyptians. More so the direct male and female creators of humans. I believe our current ISIS to be another group to instill fear into the minds of the fearful. Shit, I used to walk out of the cooler at work with a cop standing in my store because someone called the cops thinking I was kidnapped. I appreciated the thought, but said customer flat out told me after that it's probably because she watches too much TV lol. The greatest invention of all time because it'll brainwash you and get you to believe every little lie that comes off it. All the while not doing your own personal research.

End rant or whatever I tried making this out to be. From the mind of a crazy person lol.
 

Vulcan Hades

Champion
Alright to clarify a bit all I'm saying is people have the right to not believe in anything but the second you argue with people who do believe you are showing you don't respect their belief because you are actively trying to make fun of what they believe in and/or make them change their mind. Don't. That's the difference between a harmless Atheist and a xenophobic ignorant terrorist trying to take someone's fundamental right away from them.

But of course I understand why gay people especially have a harder time respecting other beliefs when those beliefs hate on them and/or are trying to take away their rights like Pan1cmode said. BUT just because a couple of religious extremists hate you for being gay doesn't justify hating on all religious people.

Now with that being said, after thinking about it I decided to change my stance on "American" Atheists.

You see, as a Canadian, it's hard for me to understand how it's like to constantly live in fear and paranoia of getting shot by a 6 years old. It's hard for me to understand the concept of having 5000 calories in a burger, and to have 75-90% of the country who would not want an atheist or even a non-christian as president of the united states. So considering the extremism of your conservative christians, I think Explicit American Atheism could be a necessary evil to achieve modern secularity.

Therefore, I have decided I will only continue this debate once you all catch up with Canadians. :DOGE
 

JLG

Mortal
Just because you don't want to hear something doesn't mean I shouldn't say it. I'm not forcing it on anyone, it's just what I think
It's so odd to see you say that, considering how much you wanted the "harassing women on the street" thread closed because YOU were offended by the discussion. But I'm sure that was a totally different situation and it does not count as an example of how our own principles can easily be a matter of convenience that has nothing to do with our agendas.
 

STB Shujinkydink

Burning down in flames for kicks
It's so odd to see you say that, considering how much you wanted the "harassing women on the street" thread closed because YOU were offended by the discussion. But I'm sure that was a totally different situation and it does not count as an example of how our own principles can easily be a matter of convenience that has nothing to do with our agendas.
I think the same thing about this thread as I did the one you reference. It's offensive and has no place on a video game site. They closed the ISIS thread and opened this one because....? People are getting offended already in this thread but people are too lazy to go to actual religon forums and discuss it there.
 

Vulcan Hades

Champion
The last part to this rant refers something I started about. Our social dilemma of race and religion. To simply break it down, there are things in place to trick our subliminal mind into thinking a certain way due to media propaganda. First and foremost is black history month. Now while I am white, I could care less if we have a white month or a WET (white entertainment channel). What I do care about is the lack of knowledge and concern for one's race and ethnic background. Yes, Malcolm X and Martin Luther Kings were great upstanding men of thier time, but what about the true history to dark skinned humans. Back in Egypt, they were viewed as 'Demigods' if you will because they were faster, stronger, water beaded off their hair and the sun didn't kill them like it does to light skinned people. Now stick dark skinned people in cold weather and their skin dries up, but lighter skinned people are fine for the most part.

My point to the above is that that's their true history, but it's neglected because the elites don't want us to feel individually powered. All the while keeping that silent stigmata of hate going among races. Likewise how after 9/11 we started thinking about how all Muslims are bad people. The ploy to subdue our minds and control our ways of thinking are in full force now. Just like how we're now being taught to go and tell someone about a bully, than sticking up for ourselves. Teaching our children to be weak than to grow strong and overcome obstacles. The second part is always a touchy subject, but is pertinent to my rant.
Careful, you don't want to tingle feminists. Do you really want Relaxedstate to remind us once again that we do not live in a vacuum void of a history of oppression? :rolleyes:

I understand the point you're trying to make but I think it's dangerous to say this is their "true history" and that is their "false history". Especially when talking about a true minority who were truly oppressed and continue to be oppressed and be victims of racism unlike women (who don't continue to not have the right to vote, don't continue to be powerless and don't continue to be paid less).

I also think it's silly to do selective racism/discrimination and selective sexism based purely on the situation of women 60+ years ago. If you truly believe in equality, surely you will recognize the reality that men and women have mostly equal rights in the present and you will not prioritize a gender over the other. Fuck anyone who tries to silence men and tries to make them feel eternally guilty on the reasoning that women have more important feelings and problems when they really don't (they are equally important). People are slowing down progress by living in the past and not admitting all the giant gains women have made in the last 50 years. Fight for equality in the present context by empowering both men and women, not by scapegoating, trying to demonize, oppress and silence the other gender and taking away all responsibility from women. /my personal rant of the day

But to go back to your point. Then what is white people's and christian's "true history"? Is it that they were racist, greedy and merciless conquerors and murderers? Is the older history the true history? Is it the "longest curve"? Or the "most positive" points in history? Should "true" and "false" history be even a factor when considering how we should treat races and genders? Shouldn't racism, discrimination and sexism towards both gender be equally wrong regardless of what happened in history?


Mr Got Merked said:
My little brother is gay and he's also a Marine. He supports the gay community, but doesn't like tlthe fact that they're all about throwing rainbows with glitter and unicorns out of their pockets. The media portrays the male, gay community as being flamboyant beyond belief and the female, gay community as being manly woman. My brother's exact words, "I just want to be a man with another man." We subliminally fall victim to our media prowess and it needs to be stopped.
Yeah I also know a couple of lesbians who hate that. There are a lot of different types of gays and lesbians. Some lesbians like being extremely feminine, some like being more masculine or somewhere in between. And either type can be attracted to any other type. It's harmful to consider and illustrate gays as "women in man bodies" and lesbians as "men in woman bodies". The problem a lot of homosexuals have with things like gay pride parades is how they often vehicle extreme stereotypes that are more likely to harm their cause or make them question their self image/identity. When most of them just want to be considered normal like anyone else but with just a different orientation.
 
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True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
This is probably going to sound weird but here's what I believe:

I believe that every day is a dream, and when you wake up "the next morning" you're really just waking up from the dream that is yesterday into a 'layer' less of your dreams. I think you're already dead or at the very end and you're just living through every day, as the memories they are, in your dream(s). When you try to remember yesterday or any day in the past you recall it the same way as you recall something you experienced in your dreams, right? And you most likely don't remember absolutely everything that happened the previous day the same way you don't remember everything that happened in your dream.

Deja vu is the icing on the cake with my theory. At some point you feel like you've already experienced something and you understand it as deja vu because that's what you've been told it is and it's just "your brain messing up" or something like that. Thing is, at least in terms of this theory of mine, you have experienced it. It's one of the days you've experienced through your life- remember your body is already at the end and so has already experienced every day you've lived. You having "deja vu" in, say, 'day 1246' is your brain recalling another memory from a different day in your life.

A day is just a very lucid dream in my opinion, everything you see, do, hear, touch, etc is a projection of your mind. Other people are projections of your mind. The way they speak, move and do what they do is something your mind has created and you experience. There's probably flaws in my theory but whatever, that's what I believe haha.
That's similar to a time traveling theory I read. The prognosis was basically that if you traveled back, whether you changed anything or not, that you were in a different timeline/universe.

The one you left is unaffected as if you had never left at all, and all others around you don't change except for the current space and time that you occupy. I've thought about how it could be a possibility that each individual we run into is following this path. Individually and as a whole since we're all working together as one big atom. Microcosm to Macrocosm.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
That's similar to a time traveling theory I read. The prognosis was basically that if you traveled back, whether you changed anything or not, that you were in a different timeline/universe.

The one you left is unaffected as if you had never left at all, and all others around you don't change except for the current space and time that you occupy. I've thought about how it could be a possibility that each individual we run into is following this path. Individually and as a whole since we're all working together as one big atom. Microcosm to Macrocosm.
I don't understand how that works, you're going back in time but you're in a different timeline/universe? The words "travelling back" suggest you're not leaving the timeline you're in. That actually sounds kind of confusing, but mine doesn't really involve time travelling or entering another universe or anything like that. The universe around you is the universe, created/produced by your mind.
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
Careful, you don't want to tingle feminists. Do you really want Relaxedstate to remind us once again that we do not live in a vacuum void of a history of oppression? :rolleyes:

I understand the point you're trying to make but I think it's dangerous to say this is their "true history" and that is their "false history". Especially when talking of a true minority who were truly oppressed and continue to be oppressed and be victims of racism unlike women (who don't continue to not have the right to vote and don't continue to be paid less).

I also think it's silly to do selective discrimination and selective sexism based purely on the situation of women 60+ years ago. If you truly believe in equality, surely you will recognize the reality that men and women have mostly equal rights in the present and you will not prioritize a gender over the other. Fuck anyone who tries to silence men and tries to make them feel eternally guilty on the pathetic reasoning that women have more important feelings and problems when they don't. People are slowing down progress by living in the past and not admitting all the giant gains women have made in the last 50 years. Fight for equality in the present context by empowering both men and women, not by scapegoating, trying to demonize and silence the other gender and taking away all responsibility from women. /my personal rant of the day

But to go back to your point. Then what is white people's and christian's "true history"? Is it that they were racist, greedy and merciless conquerors and murderers? Is the older history the true history? Is it the "longest curve"? Or the "most positive" points in history? Should "true" and "false" history be even a factor when considering how we should treat races and genders? Shouldn't racism and sexism be equally wrong regardless of what happened in history?



Yeah I also know a couple of lesbians who hate that. There are a lot of different types of gays and lesbians. Some lesbians like being extremely feminine, some like being more masculine or somewhere in between. And either type can be attracted to any other type. It's harmful to consider gays as "women in man bodies" and lesbians as "men in women bodies". The problem a lot of homosexuals have with things like gay pride parades is how they often vehicle extreme stereotypes that are more likely to harm their cause or question their self image/identity. When most of them just want to be considered normal like anyone else but with just a different orientation.
I agree that regardless of history, we as human beings should stop dwelling in the past and really think about the future. We need to think of how our actions not only affect tomorrow, but 100 or even 1000 years from now.

Racism and sexism have not only kept hate very much alive, but I think it's getting worse to a degree. An ex girlfriend of mine was really heavy into the woman rights movement, until she found out that they were all about money. I'm all for everyone to have equal rights, but the meticulously placed propaganda tricks our minds into seeing something different. Here's an example. I was having a similar discussion with my friend, who's black, and he said that it infuriates him when they talk about Rosa Parks. A woman did the same thing she did a week prior, but because Rosa was a part of the media impact, they used her. Likewise how they make MLK Jr. to be an icon, when he would continuously cheat on his wife.

As far as the history aspect goes, it was not to get people to do the research themselves, as opposed to relying on everyone else to inform them. History shouldn't affect how we treat others, but it does. IMHO, I think Christians were by far the most ruthless when it came to religion and religious wars. All the while being tricked into being forgiven of their sins by their crusades.

It really breaks down to individual ascension. I for one was picked on a lot by black people when I went to a summer camp, but learned in time that it's their problem if they can't grow up. Likewise with people arguing as opposed to debating and discussing with an open, unbiased mind.

We did a thing in my psychology class where before we started, we has asked if the subject of men and woman would offend anyone? If so, then leave, but you would also be asked to leave if you couldn't handle the conversation maturly. We came to the conclusion that most, if not all men are pigs and assholes ( We know we're perverts...) and that most, if not all woman were fickle and couldn't be understood. (Woman know woman and that's why most woman hate other woman lol...meme) My point to this is that we take everything to heart. We don't take the time to analyze and to learn. We'd much rather jump the gun and shove our own views. The reality is that we should all express our own views together and learn together as a whole.
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
I don't understand how that works, you're going back in time but you're in a different timeline/universe? The words "travelling back" suggest you're not leaving the timeline you're in. That actually sounds kind of confusing, but mine doesn't really involve time travelling or entering another universe or anything like that. The universe around you is the universe, created/produced by your mind.
That's kind of what I was trying to get at. How each being/person is it's own universe. I used time traveling as an example, but it was a poor one. A better example is like the multiverse theory or the string theory (M theory). We're all connected yet separate because of free will. There's also the distinction of kingdoms that allows and prevents us from moving forwards, but never backwards. This is called the 13 levels according to speculation.
Our universe is a symphony of conscious Energies. Forms levels of consciousness create the matter waves better universe is made of. From a higher perspective time is understood as an experimental quality within the framework of materialization. From this higher perspective the linear time concept that we have here is this material universe is an "illusion" and all and incarnations happen simultaneously in eternal present.

Our universe is a fragment in a multi-verse of many parallel material universes, parallel non-material realities and dimensions. everything that exists is interconnected. Past, present, and future are one, and different probabilities exists, so we should choose the best possible future.

Our universe is distinguishable in 12 levels of consciousness, respectively densities. The first octave, respectively the first 8 densities are described in the Ra-material or the "Law of One"

first, second, and third density are all visible to us, and they all existing 3 dimensional space. First density is basic elemental "life" - Rocks, minerals, water, etc - and it does have awareness, but with no central focus or growth.

second density is were life, as we usually think of it begins. It runs the garment from single celled organisms all the way up through the most advanced primates, in all life in between. And second density, organisms share a group consciousness. They do not get to graduate into third and density until the gain an awareness of a separate self, outside the group mind.

third density is where we are now, and the ultimate lesson here is the choose whether to love and support other people or manipulate and control them.this choice determines the remaining curriculum either choice is allowed.

fourth density is love and positive polarity it is love for self and others, and in negative polarity it is love for self without much respect or care for others.

Fifth density is wisdom, honor and communication, the building of universal knowledge - and again it can be used positively or negatively.

Sixth is were a full commitment to dedicating one's life to serving others is made, self and others are seen as one and love and wisdom are unified. there is no longer a differentiation in between positive and negative at this point - all returns to an all-embracing love of the creation as being one. at this level you travel back in time to help yourself evolve along the way, at all the various points - you program dreams experiences, balance karma and act as a spirit guide for yourself in earlier times.

Seventh density is where the law of foreverness is grasped. It is the gateway back to onenesswere all things, all experiences are seen as perfectly sacred. At this level you leave behind a gigantic internet type database of living information - everything you picked up along the way - for others in sixth - density to consult in their own work. this is the last thing you do before returning to oneness which is the 8th density or octave.

the eighth density is the seat of the cores of our souls. In the 8th density our souls exist as individualized conscious energetic multidimensional microcosms and share a group consciousness. the first 7 densities represent true colors and can be visualized with the rainbow color spectrum. Chakras are energy levels of our souls and can be visualized in exactly the same way. Our chakras are directly interconnected with the densities respectively - consciousness levels of our universe.

the 9th density is the consciousness level of a planet

the 10th density is the consciousness level of a solar system

the 11th density is the consciousness level of a galaxy

the 12th in city is the consciousness level of our whole universe

the 13th density is looked at in Bible numerology coding that the number 13 represents Lucifer. The 13th can also be looked at as corruption at the consciousness level of the dualistic nature of void and material, creating Trinity among space and time. Also known as controlling our own realities through the law of attraction.

I for one believe that our dream state is just another means of experiencing a different reality. One in which we have full control of our brain power.
 
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Amplified$hotz

I like Tekken 8
What are the explanations?

I studied the bible from 13-18 years in structured class. Then I did independent research for the last two years.

What words did I put into your mouth? I said don't try the no true Scotsman fallacy, I didn't say that you did try it.

You still haven't provided me a reason why someone would choose to be gay.
I never said people chose to be gay.
And i questioned your study because you thought Jesus literally asked people to gouge their eyes out
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
That's kind of what I was trying to get at. How each being/person is it's own universe. I used time traveling as an example, but it was a poor one. A better example is like the multiverse theory or the string theory (M theory). We're all connected yet separate because of free will. There's also the distinction of kingdoms that allows and prevents us from moving forwards, but never backwards. This is called the 13 levels according to speculation.
Our universe is a symphony of conscious Energies. Forms levels of consciousness create the matter waves better universe is made of. From a higher perspective time is understood as an experimental quality within the framework of materialization. From this higher perspective the linear time concept that we have here is this material universe is an "illusion" and all and incarnations happen simultaneously in eternal present.

Our universe is a fragment in a multi-verse of many parallel material universes, parallel non-material realities and dimensions. everything that exists is interconnected. Past, present, and future are one, and different probabilities exists, so we should choose the best possible future.

Our universe is distinguishable in 12 levels of consciousness, respectively densities. The first octave, respectively the first 8 densities are described in the Ra-material or the "Law of One"

first, second, and third density are all visible to us, and they all existing 3 dimensional space. First density is basic elemental "life" - Rocks, minerals, water, etc - and it does have awareness, but with no central focus or growth.

second density is were life, as we usually think of it begins. It runs the garment from single celled organisms all the way up through the most advanced primates, in all life in between. And second density, organisms share a group consciousness. They do not get to graduate into third and density until the gain an awareness of a separate self, outside the group mind.

third density is where we are now, and the ultimate lesson here is the choose whether to love and support other people or manipulate and control them.this choice determines the remaining curriculum either choice is allowed.

fourth density is love and positive polarity it is love for self and others, and in negative polarity it is love for self without much respect or care for others.

Fifth density is wisdom, honor and communication, the building of universal knowledge - and again it can be used positively or negatively.

Sixth is were a full commitment to dedicating one's life to serving others is made, self and others are seen as one and love and wisdom are unified. there is no longer a differentiation in between positive and negative at this point - all returns to an all-embracing love of the creation as being one. at this level you travel back in time to help yourself evolve along the way, at all the various points - you program dreams experiences, balance karma and act as a spirit guide for yourself in earlier times.

Seventh density is where the law of foreverness is grasped. It is the gateway back to onenesswere all things, all experiences are seen as perfectly sacred. At this level you leave behind a gigantic internet type database of living information - everything you picked up along the way - for others in sixth - density to consult in their own work. this is the last thing you do before returning to oneness which is the 8th density or octave.

the eighth density is the seat of the cores of our souls. In the 8th density our souls exist as individualized conscious energetic multidimensional microcosms and share a group consciousness. the first 7 densities represent true colors and can be visualized with the rainbow color spectrum. Chakras are energy levels of our souls and can be visualized in exactly the same way. Our chakras are directly interconnected with the densities respectively - consciousness levels of our universe.

the 9th density is the consciousness level of a planet

the 10th density is the consciousness level of a solar system

the 11th density is the consciousness level of a galaxy

the 12th in city is the consciousness level of our whole universe

the 13th density is looked at in Bible numerology coding that the number 13 represents Lucifer. The 13th can also be looked at as corruption at the consciousness level of the dualistic nature of void and material, creating Trinity among space and time. Also known as controlling our own realities through the law of attraction.

I for one believe that our dream state is just another means of experiencing a different reality. One in which we have full control of our brain power.
That's a hell of a lot more complex/complicated than my theory. There's not necessarily other universes, there's not even necessarily a 'universe' as such, other things/people are just projections of my mind. For example everything I see, hear, touch is just something my mind has created and it's all one big memory/dream/thought. There's no 'their universe' as they're really just detailed projections my brain has created. Now that I read that it sounds super pessimistic hahaha
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
That's a hell of a lot more complex/complicated than my theory. There's not necessarily other universes, there's not even necessarily a 'universe' as such, other things/people are just projections of my mind. For example everything I see, hear, touch is just something my mind has created and it's all one big memory/dream/thought. There's no 'their universe' as they're really just detailed projections my brain has created. Now that I read that it sounds super pessimistic hahaha
According to quantum physics, you're right. Everything we see, touch, hear, etc are all figments made real by our conscious mind. It's all an illusion lol. I believe that to be true in accordance with other things such as the kingdoms and the law of attraction.
 

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
Arguing somebody's beliefs doesn't mean you don't respect their beliefs. How does that make sense? The only way we can move forward in our thought processes is if we debate and challenge each other, just like with everything else. Religion doesn't get a free pass from that. Just because where we go after we die is a serious topic doesn't mean that challenging someone's opinion isn't allowed.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
According to quantum physics, you're right. Everything we see, touch, hear, etc are all figments made real by our conscious mind. It's all an illusion lol. I believe that to be true in accordance with other things such as the kingdoms and the law of attraction.
I know all about illusions, I do magic :DOGE
 

Vulcan Hades

Champion
So by your logic if I believed in the boogeyman and someone said my belief was stupid/ made fun of it, that person is a terrorist and is taking away my rights. Do you see how flawed this logic is?
Well first of all, the "boogeyman" isn't an actual religion and if it is to you it isn't recognize as being serious or legitimate.

I'm an agnostic who believes the complexity and emergence of our universe has more chances to be the work of an intelligible designer than the work of pure chaos. Whether this designer is a man with a white beard, a woman with long hair and big tits, a super quantum computer, an extremely intelligent alien, a spaghetti monster, hitbox zod or a unicorn made of cheese is completely irrelevant to me as I will never know the answer nor do I care about the answer.

There is no logical or intellectual reason to believe in goblins/elves/fairies but a lot of people have reasons to believe in a god/designer/deities. They have reasons to believe in morality, spirituality and afterlife. It can bring them joy, inner peace, hope, comfort, ease or even stop suffering, and solidify their identity as human beings. It generally encourages them to be more peaceful, respectful, loving, generous and compassionate towards strangers and all forms of life. You will say atheists don't need religion or to believe in a god to be good people but that doesn't matter in the slightest. I'm just saying people have reasons to believe in things. And there is no reason to believe that not believing is better than believing or vice versa. Anecdotal evidence and stereotypes/generalization should never be considered serious arguments for or against anything.

Asking someone to physically prove the existence of the human soul, prove that there is more than nothingness after death or scientifically prove the existence of an immaterial entity only makes certain atheists look like fools who do not understand the very idea of having faith, having a spirituality or having metaphysical convictions. You simply cannot understand it because you do not share their belief or conviction. So it is pointless to even try and question it.

Of course you can point out historical contradictions and be vocal about gay rights. But don't pretend that theist need to prove you anything to justify their belief. Our views are as ridiculous to them as much as their belief seems ridiculous or illogical to us.

There is nothing constructive about being an Explicit and Aggressive Atheist. Like in everything in life, extremism is never good.


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You are right people do have a right to believe what they want, but they also have a right to ask questions and seek answers. It has nothing to do with making fun of what people believe in , but moreso asking why people believe.
So you're saying we should keep asking gays why they like it in the ass because we don't understand it as straight males? No, we can't understand it because we aren't gay. Get educated on homosexuals or stay homophobe in your corner. Gays don't have to explain to you what it's like to be gay or why they prefer people of the same sex to justify their orientation and be proud of it. Just like lesbians don't have to prove they only love women just for your personal enjoyment.
 
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Vulcan Hades

Champion
I never said "boogieman" was a religion, I was comparing people's belief in the boogieman which is nonexistant to god which is also nonexistant. If you cant realize this then your a moron.
I didn't even post anything about gay people. I'm talking about religion. L2 read.
I am sensing a lot of butthurt ad hominem up in this bitch. Don't worry, it is a natural and defensive butt reflex mechanism. And it should pass after a couple of hours. Let us try to remain civil in the mean time.

I will not question your intelligence on the subject and I will let you believe there is no difference between believing in a religious god and believing in the boogieman. If it can make you sleep better at night I don't see any reason to crush your vivid dreams.
 
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VenomX-90

"On your Knees!"
I am just waiting for that one lil spark for the thread to fuck up. Lol. LBSH from what I see when another person post up a thread about this its gets closed in a matter of time, but when a MOD starts the thread it gets closed when they see fit. Hmm, Illuminati is fucking everywhere. smh Just saying.

 

VenomX-90

"On your Knees!"
I've tried to resist posting in this thread, but I will do it and just refrain from quoting anyone. People are going to have their faith no matter what. It's taught as children, which makes it hard to discuss as adults.

Anyway, watch this series:

Listen to this masterpiece of literature:

Dr. Neiman. You can explore his lectures on your own, if you so choose.

Logic class from MIT
Forreal though, your posts are deep as hell.
 

True Grave

Giving The Gift Of Graves
I know all about illusions, I do magic :DOGE
I know one magic trick, but it's really based on mathematics and I'll guess your card every time. I also did enjoy magic and how it tricks our brain. Especially sacred geometry
^-My favorite one.
 
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