Match-up Discussion Becoming the Pope - The General Zod Matchup Thread

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Needs more s3 vs aquaman. That is my opinion.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Needs more s3 vs aquaman. That is my opinion.

Why so and it what way?

Aquaman out footsies s3 all day

 

[SimSim]

Why so and it what way?

Aquaman out footsies s3 all day

I guess it's better to punish an Aquaman with 3 xx zod charge/PS if you know he will trait out of a f21u2/f21 xx mb laser

Also, since I found that MB laser actually gives zod the most amount advantage to summon trait of all his moves, I tried to see what kinds of situations it is useful to take advantage of this (Since most of the time you want the extra damage you can get after the MB laser)

After an anti air d2, f21 xx mb laser, the combo scales pretty bad, so that's a good way to use it. It also leaves you at a good distance for a trait activation.

After the mb laser, actiavte trait, then zod charge. If the opponent rolls, you will be at the perfect distance to slash, f2 xx trait grab, as most fast normals will whiff on you while f2 will hit.

If the opponent does not roll, he can hit you after the zod charge (If you do it fast it will whiff while he is still on the ground), but you can always interupt him with your trait slash (interupt, not stop him from hitting you with 1 move first).

Might be interesting?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I guess it's better to punish an Aquaman with 3 xx zod charge/PS if you know he will trait out of a f21u2/f21 xx mb aser

I wish b1 MB ZOD balls launched

 

[SimSim]

I wish b1 MB ZOD balls launched

I am not sure if b1 xx mb balls even combo on all characters, since 22 xx mb balls doesn't.
PS: check out my edit in the last post.

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

Why so and it what way?

Aquaman out footsies s3 all day

Punishing. The main Aquaman combo involves a FTD up close right? Aquamen can get overzealous because if it whiffs they just activate trait and are like durr hurr safe.

For Footsies......really, I think the only thing that competes is Phantom Strike.

I guess it's better to punish an Aquaman with 3 xx zod charge/PS if you know he will trait out of a f21u2/f21 xx mb laser

Also, since I found that MB laser actually gives zod the most amount advantage to summon trait of all his moves, I tried to see what kinds of situations it is useful to take advantage of this (Since most of the time you want the extra damage you can get after the MB laser)

After an anti air d2, f21 xx mb laser, the combo scales pretty bad, so that's a good way to use it. It also leaves you at a good distance for a trait activation.

After the mb laser, actiavte trait, then zod charge. If the opponent rolls, you will be at the perfect distance to slash, f2 xx trait grab, as most fast normals will whiff on you while f2 will hit.

If the opponent does not roll, he can hit you after the zod charge (If you do it fast it will whiff while he is still on the ground), but you can always interupt him with your trait slash (interupt, not stop him from hitting you with 1 move first).

Might be interesting?

Have you tested advantage on d2 and s3 canceled into trait? That stuff seems like a large amount of time caused if done early enough

 

[SimSim]

Punishing. The main Aquaman combo involves a FTD up close right? Aquamen can get overzealous because if it whiffs they just activate trait and are like durr hurr safe.

For Footsies......really, I think the only thing that competes is Phantom Strike.



Have you tested advantage on d2 and s3 canceled into trait? That stuff seems like a large amount of time caused if done early enough

I haven't tested those, I have to admit, but I doubt it's more than mb laser. Will check it though.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I am not sure if b1 xx mb balls even combo on all characters, since 22 xx mb balls doesn't.
PS: check out my edit in the last post.

Credit to General M2Dave

D3 AA's Aquaman ji2

Sets up dash forward nj setup

Also EGP Wonder_Chef on blast for saying ZOD can't aa doomsday body splash on KTP

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I haven't tested those, I have to admit, but I doubt it's more than mb laser. Will check it though.

I did a quick check up a moment ago on the moves. With roll on, d2 was about the same, if not more, than MB Laser. s3 was a bit less.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Credit to General M2Dave

D3 AA's Aquaman ji2

Sets up dash forward nj setup

Also EGP Wonder_Chef on blast for saying ZOD can't aa doomsday body splash on KTP

not 100% of the time because j3 beats sweep

 

[SimSim]

I did a quick check up a moment ago on the moves. With roll on, d2 was about the same, if not more, than MB Laser. s3 was a bit less.

I thought that might be the case, but d2 leaves them at a distance that is neither jump in or good zod charge range I think? + d2 will give less and less advabtage at the end of a combo where mb laser will not (I think). I need to explore d2 more. Maybe we can find a set up where a j2 will cross if the stand up normal, but not cross if they roll?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

not 100% of the time because j3 beats sweep

Yea but if you see body splash you can react to it w d3 and ji3 id just probably block

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

I thought that might be the case, but d2 leaves them at a distance that is neither jump in or good zod charge range I think? + d2 will give less and less advabtage at the end of a combo where mb laser will not (I think). I need to explore d2 more. Maybe we can find a set up where a j2 will cross if the stand up normal, but not cross if they roll?

d2's a combo starter move. All uppercuts are by nature. While we might get something in combo, I have more faith in 123 trait or s3. d2 is just a 'oh, my uppercut landed. Best make use of it for free trait.'

 

[SimSim]

d2's a combo starter move. All uppercuts are by nature. While we might get something in combo, I have more faith in 123 trait or s3. d2 is just a 'oh, my uppercut landed. Best make use of it for free trait.'

Wait.. you get more advantage from d2, trait activation than after mb laser? Then what aboout d2 xx trait activation? I thought that's what you meant! And no I do not see d2 as a combo starter and almost not as a viable anti air with Zod, as it's amazingly bad lol. It does have it's use as an anti cross up if the character you are trying to catch isn't Batman.

 

[Colonel-Gilgamesh]

That us what I meant

 

[SimSim]

That us what I meant

You can't throw out d2, then see it hit and think "oh, my uppercut landed" then cancel in to trait?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

You can't throw out d2, then see it hit and think "oh, my uppercut landed" then cancel in to trait?

Personally off a aa I like to f21 low laser MB dash f213 slow ball trait

 

[SimSim]

Personally off a aa I like to f21 low laser MB dash f213 slow ball trait

I will look in to if that is a better option than activating after the mb laser!

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Yea but if you see body splash you can react to it w d3 and ji3 id just probably block

well that's assuming they do an early body splash

 

[Marcus]

Personally off a aa I like to f21 low laser MB dash f213 slow ball trait

I THINK some characters' wakeup can punish the trait activation in this setup.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I THINK some characters' wakeup can punish the trait activation in this setup.

they will get hit by slow ball thats why i do it for oki

 

[Marcus]

they will get hit by slow ball thats why i do it for oki

Nice! How about f213 xx trait, then laser charge to really jail them? MB laser , dash cancel to trait options after. No trades.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Nice! How about f213 xx trait, then laser charge to really jail them? MB laser , dash cancel to trait options after. No trades.

yea but i like slow ball oki because sometimes i can use it to dash in for pressure

 

[SimSim]

yea but i like slow ball oki because sometimes i can use it to dash in for pressure

With your set up they can just hold up forward and jump over the zod ball that is coming though:/

Disclaimer: I just tested this on Sinestro so far, and his hurtbox is wonky.

Edit: As I thought, Zod himself can not jump forward out of this set up, so it was Sinestros stupid hurtbox. Zod can d3 on wake up to go under the zod ball though lol. Batman can hold up forward too. So this is not a guaranteed trap.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

SimSim

I need your brain

Whats the best combo you have off of F3 starter that DOES NOT have a mb laser

I have f3 ji3 Trait Swipe 3 4 112 zc mb 39%