Everyone who says this does not play Harley at a high level, because they can not possibly have high level competition that can't react to 28(?) frame overheads. This is well within the reflexes of every human being on the planet.
the game isn't even a month old. your argument is essentially "i land overheads on people who don't know the harley match-up, therefore her mix-up is fine". doesn't matter who the player is. Anyone is capable of not knowing the match-up. When I play Harley mirrors there is a 0% chance of me getting hit by her overheads. Players of other characters will eventually catch up to that. Hell, a lot of my local competition already has.
I see where he is coming from Red.. The more exposure people get to Harley, the more invalid her F2 becomes. As soon as people wake up to Harley (when she gets put on the map by a major player) her "mix-up" and overhead will be exposed. I really hate to be saying it
the "hybrid" part of her makeup really fucks her (as many have previously pointed out)
I see where he is coming from Red.. The more exposure people get to Harley, the more invalid her F2 becomes. As soon as people wake up to Harley (when she gets put on the map by a major player) her "mix-up" and overhead will be exposed. I really hate to be saying it
But hey.. If its working for you now, that's terrific.. I would just work on a backup option in case what he has said comes into fruition
I meant wake up as in- become more familiar with Harley (not a wake up move
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Edit: which move as a follow up is best to use of they become privy to the F2, TS mixup.. Would it consist of F,2 - F2,3- or F2xx TS back roll?I meant wake up as in- become more familiar with Harley (not a wake up move
I love the fact that you are championing the option.. I have been trying to incorporate it into mine as well, but I am using it depending on my opponents blocking habits more so than setting it up.
Yes this! She can zone and rush down....solid.
Where do you play most of your matches? Online or offline? Strong players or average players? I never play online because lag inhibits reactions which in turn creates bad habits, and quite a few of my local players are very strong. I'm not posting an opinion. I'm posting experience, including mirror experience. If my mix-up mostly relied on the threat of F2 then I would never open people up because F2 is too slow. Oh, F23 is safe on block? What if they mash on reaction during F2's startup into a full combo? I only ever go for F2 on wake-up because it's so slow that this happens half the time against good offline players. And even then I try not to go for it because it'll still probably get blocked and I don't care about being +1 or 2 frames. If I want to be plus on block, I'll do 2D3 and be +11. It's by far her strongest option.
or u can use that +2 or 1 to go for a standing 2 d3 and become +11.
Whiny attitude and pointless sarcasm won't make your point any stronger. In fact, those are the surest signs of the point not being very strong.
Any good player who played against a Harley more than once will easily block f2 on reaction. The fact that you land it only means you don't play good players. The fact that yesterday i beat a ridicilously bad Superman who knew nothing about his character doesn't mean Superman is a favorable matchup for Harley.
While blunt and honest there is truth.. But seriously guys, can we quit the bickering and measuring our e-peen's and get back to getting Harley some respect? It's bad enough as are behind in so many ways, need to come together, not fall apart.
Well there is that instant overhead tech. I am waiting for someone to make a video on it and see if it's legit.
it's a start, but people who know the harley matchup well will generally low block, thus the f1 will sail over their heads, then they will poke before the overhead even comes out
Harley has trouble landing overheads in general. Unless some instant overheads tech solves it, her mix-up is nonexistent. Of course she still has an amazing j2 crossup... and then you run into somebody with an AA.
