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Aw, C'mon Puddin' -- Harley Quinn General Discussion Thread

Kingslayer

Kingslayer

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KamkaziChicila said:
Does anyone know or is at ECT this weekend? I would of went but had no ride and no cash ;( Hopefully the stream puts on some Harley so everyone can learn some new stuff and let the stream monsters see why Harley is amazing.
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Never seen this guy play but ppl were saying sonicfox has a solid harley. But he got knocked out in his pool and diddnt make it on the stream today.
 
Cage Redfield

Cage Redfield

Fight!
Not sure if this has any merit for Harley players, but Harley has the knockdown into free command grab meaty as an option, saw it on Chef's stream the other night. While she doesn't get much off it like Lobo or Shazam, I guess the Meter Burn version is the best to use in this situation? Again, I don't play Harley, but more mixup options for the character with seemingly loads of mixup and offensive potential is only gonna do her good, right?

(sorry if this already known knowledge, I only read the last 6 pages before posting about this >_>)
 
ShinSenkai

ShinSenkai

Noob
Seems people are split on how good Harley actually is. She's competent and against smart players, induces thoughtful play. She doesn't have anything that's spam worthy and she can't be played as a flow chart. Personally I'd say the key to winning with her isn't from her superior zoning or intense mix up or set ups, seems to be more about dictating then flow of the match and conditioning your opponent. When people become more familiar with playing against Harley it will become an irrefutable uphill battle for us against a large portion of the cast.
 
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ShinSenkai said:
Seems people are split on how good Harley actually is. She's competent and against smart players, induces thoughtful play. She doesn't have anything that's spam worthy and she can't be played as a flow chart. Personally I'd say the key to winning with her isn't from her superior zoning or intense mix up or set ups, seems to be more about dictating then flow of the match and conditioning your opponent. When people become more familiar with playing against Harley it will become an irrefutable uphill battle for us against a large portion of the cast.
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I agree.. The only wins she will take on a pro level is against those not familiar with her matchup... If at all. She is undiscovered at this time, once she gets discovered she may make a minor splash, but down the road she will end up where she is for what she is.. A mid-tier/ low mid-tier character. Which I am fine with cause I love her and will not play anyone else in this game :)
 
ShinSenkai

ShinSenkai

Noob
To make matters worse, NRS have gone and needed her for what I can only describe as no reason at all. Say goodbye to that juicy 2D3 frame trap.
 
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KamkaziChicila said:
Realistically speaking did anyone really use her 2 d3? I never used it at all...
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With what advantage she had.. It was truly her only non-gimmick overhead high low threat.. Especially on block. When you landed that on block, you could mix up with an overhead or go for low options. It is a staple... Was a staple for me..
 
KamkaziChicila

KamkaziChicila

Harley & Zatana is all I need.
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With what advantage she had.. It was truly her only non-gimmick overhead high low threat.. Especially on block. When you landed that on block, you could mix up with an overhead or go for low options. It is a staple... Was a staple for me..
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You have any videos using it? I've never used or seen any other Harley player use 2 d3 for anything.
 
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KamkaziChicila said:
You have any videos using it? I've never used or seen any other Harley player use 2 d3 for anything.
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No vid capability..

The 2 d3 was great for your blocked jump in attacks. You had slight advantage on on the blocked low so could sneak your overhead in to follow up.. The opponent had to read this, and if they started getting privy, opened themselves up to B2,2 or TS outright.

So combo would go as followed.

JI2,(blocked),2,D3, ( blocked),overhead, TS - follow up

JI2,(blocked) ,2,D3,(blocked),NJ2, follow up

You have to face the music.. Her high/low game is 1 dimensional, her zoning is average.. To damage up close (with character as is) needs to rely on frame traps... This was her best frame trap and would eat people alive... Sure people catch on.. But now, depending on how bad she gets hit.. Totally strips her of this option :(

Edit: it is also a principle issue I have.. This frame trap did not break Harley.. Did not make her top tier, now break her game play and put her down a few pegs.. But for chrissakes man..as she stands right now she is mid tier.. Why touch her with the nerf bat AT ALL? Specially on the first round of balance? Just dot get t..
 
Fergus

Fergus

Like Father, Like Daughter
What the actual **** NRS?

Harley already has huge issues opening up people and a lot of her strings are highs so 2d3 was really her only move to go to for frame traps due to 2 being a mid. It was good to make people fear her b2,2 as a guaranteed followup so she could go for her ****ty overhead/low mixups but with this nerf, her upclose game is non existent (due to how free she is to low block) and her zoning is really average compared to likes of Cyborg, GL, Superman, Aquaman etc. and it's not very rewarding with gunshots only doing 4% and cupcake and pop pop having huge recovery.

Even more annoying when other chars got buffed or the gdlk chars barely got touched

I always had her as low-mid but with this nerf, she's just ****. She needed help but got kicked in the face (Lighten up will ya etc.)

Probably gonna switch chars now or not even play the game.
 
Ronald_A_Knox

Ronald_A_Knox

Clipeum Aurea
Fergus said:
What the actual **** NRS?

Harley already has huge issues opening up people and a lot of her strings are highs so 2d3 was really her only move to go to for frame traps due to 2 being a mid. It was good to make people fear her b2,2 as a guaranteed followup so she could go for her ****ty overhead/low mixups but with this nerf, her upclose game is non existent (due to how free she is to low block) and her zoning is really average compared to likes of Cyborg, GL, Superman, Aquaman etc. and it's not very rewarding with gunshots only doing 4% and cupcake and pop pop having huge recovery.

Even more annoying when other chars got buffed or the gdlk chars barely got touched

I always had her as low-mid but with this nerf, she's just ****. She needed help but got kicked in the face (Lighten up will ya etc.)

Probably gonna switch chars now or not even play the game.
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I guess one of us met an NRS developer online and landed an f2 way too many times on his scrub ass so he went and nerfed us. That is the only explanation i can find that would explain this blatant murder of a character.
 
ShinSenkai

ShinSenkai

Noob
Lmao at the dude asking if 2D3 was ever used. You clearly don't know the usefulness of her fastest mid string that could be used as a solid frame trap into 40+% on block if they pressed buttons after blocking. A frame trap that allowed us to continue pressure however we chose with B22 being my go-to option then when my locals caught on you mix it up with anything. This was one of her BEST up close tools hands down.
 
natey2k4

natey2k4

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Thanks NRS.. at least I don't have to waste money on anymore more DLC now.

I was buying skins for characters I don't even use, but after this nerf.. whats the point? They nerf my two mid-tier mains yet leave the top tier untouched. The balance issues are even worse now, lol.

FlipinFlava said:
what's the advantage on it now?

crossing my fingers for +6

edit: oh just read the above post
FML
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I guess "less advantage" means just flat out punishable.
 
KamkaziChicila

KamkaziChicila

Harley & Zatana is all I need.
ShinSenkai said:
Lmao at the dude asking if 2D3 was ever used. You clearly don't know the usefulness of her fastest mid string that could be used as a solid frame trap into 40+% on block if they pressed buttons after blocking. A frame trap that allowed us to continue pressure however we chose with B22 being my go-to option then when my locals caught on you mix it up with anything. This was one of her BEST up close tools hands down.
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I never used it and I did fine. I guess I just didn't see how "GDLK" this string is. I'm not complaining how its gone. Just learn how to get in some other way.


Fergus said:
Probably gonna switch chars now or not even play the game.
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Ok, well then I guess you really aren't a Harley player if you are going to drop her after one nerf. "Nice knowing Ya"
 
FlipinFlava

FlipinFlava

Kuya Andy
KamkaziChicila said:
I never used it and I did fine. I guess I just didn't see how "GDLK" this string is. I'm not complaining how its gone. Just learn how to get in some other way.
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harley is probably the easiest rush-down oriented character in this game to block, so she needed that frame trap to open people up
 
ShinSenkai

ShinSenkai

Noob
Lol take away arguably her best strings best quality and add nothing to the character. It's great that you use her without the string and do fine. I'm truly happy for you. But i'm seriously not going to sit here and debate with you why this is a massive loss to her up close game.
 
Ronald_A_Knox

Ronald_A_Knox

Clipeum Aurea
KamkaziChicila said:
I never used it and I did fine. I guess I just didn't see how "GDLK" this string is. I'm not complaining how its gone. Just learn how to get in some other way.

Ok, well then I guess you really aren't a Harley player if you are going to drop her after one nerf. "Nice knowing Ya"
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Really. Tell us how exactly did you "do fine". What were your rushdown and mixup tools, if any.
 
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