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Fish can hear you thinkin just before you sneeze
"NEED TORR VENOM"He is. Torr in disguise
"NEED TORR VENOM"He is. Torr in disguise
Play Ruthless Efftee
Didusaychocolate's in depth guide to lackey is what got me started. Its at the top of this thread under lackey.
Lackey is Ferra-less Torr without access to any normals that involve Ferra outside of d.1 which he retains.
And the sweep tho! The sweep without Ferra on board seems godlike, much faster startup, not as much range, but the faster startup allows you to use it in spots you otherwise couldn't. I found a setup where I start with b23,2+4, run xx, 11, sweep, since Ferra isn't on Tor, you get the Lackey sweep which comes out fast enough to end the combo, and gives you perfect spacing to use njp to blow up their wakeup attempt, or do a ground mixup with overhead or low, or armor, or block. You can use 11 in that combo then sweep, or 1 then sweep, which sweeps them much higher in the air, granting more advantage on the hard knockdown.
I dont think you can "combo" into it, but yeah more or less its actually mostly the same data on the sweep. I think you give up the reach for some minimal start up advantage.
Yeah you can combo into it, thats exactly what I was saying.
Oh I thought you meant straight from 11 into sweep
Someone more experienced in fighting against these characters, please answer his question.
A general response:
A reason to do two F2s in a combo is to keep the opponent's back to the corner instead of tossing them out of it. If there is no apparent reason for the Lackey players you watch/fight to be doing double F2s, then... perhaps they find it funny to toss their opponents like ragdolls.
maybe i don't know i seen a F/T player do 2 tosses midscreen in a combo and i really didn't understand the reason for it
Well they may just be trying to squeeze every last % of damage out of a one meter combo, haha. There is a 41% midscreen combo as Lackey that has two f2s and requires a very quick run cancel before the second one, which nets you a whopping 1% more than just not doing that. But yeah other than that: both things that Alien Sub said.
okay thanks for the info that was my biggest question about F/T so thanks for the helpWell they may just be trying to squeeze every last % of damage out of a one meter combo, haha. There is a 41% midscreen combo as Lackey that has two f2s and requires a very quick run cancel before the second one, which nets you a whopping 1% more than just not doing that. But yeah other than that: both things that Alien Sub said.
IMO it's Vicious. Lackey has no range(outside of his huge ape arms but the other variations have these too), but some good tech to deal with zoning, but i use Ferra heavily in a mix up game. Since every other character has some kind of range/zoning option, you'll struggle if you get zoned out. Ruthless and vicious are almost the same. If you're confident and good then getting a p'n'g out is easy and doable, but getting and maintaining more than one stack is tough. You're better using that time and energy pressuring with b121, and using boss toss as an ender to make up for the lost damage buff.
People that know the match up can abuse their weaknesses. If they know how Ferra works it is a problem. Whenever Ferra is off our back we have no grab, no overhead, no armor so no real mix up opportunities to worry about. It also gives them a free jump in since our d2 is 20 frames so free jail mix ups for them. The only time we get armor without Ferra is on wake up, but that means we cant delay wake up or tech roll and still have armor so the wake up game can be predictable and like when we are standing they can just crossover jump to avoid everything and jail us into more mix ups. Anyone that can keep us standing at the end of their combos too also destroys us since there is no way to armor then either. Even when we do armor its not a combo and if we try to use the grab as our reversal theres a good chance whatever random button they are mashing is grab immune too. Also Shinnok and Kung Lao are practically designed to beat us in every way which at this point single handedly makes them unviable in tournaments
Doesn't Ferra recover while you're blocking during a jailing string? Like in KL's case, wouldn't his 11212 stuff give you enough time for Ferra to hop back on? Also how good is their backdash?
Backdash is terrible distance wise and recpvery wise and in combination with their hurtbox its practically useless. And Ferra getting back on Torrs back isnt all that consistant, sometimes she runs past Torr and runs back and forth for reasons we still dont know, and if she is doing that during the one opening we can reversal out with armor then we just miss that opportunity and they get to loop their pressure again
