Tech Aquaman Combo Thread

[TakeAChance]

Until a patch comes out to fix OTGs ending combos with d3 instead of 223 or f2 1+3 is the best option (unless its a corner combo to put them back in the corner)

There is a potential patch to fix OTG's?

 

[Dizzy]

There is a potential patch to fix OTG's?

Yes, I mentioned it here: http://testyourmight.com/threads/aquaman-otg-after-ending-combos-in-sweep.33310/

 

[DJbezoar]

Hey, I have a small question and was wondering if anyone else has experienced this: When I do F13 xx Trident scoop when I try to follow up with 22 aquaman will not be facing the opponent. Like.. It hasn't registered that the opponent is on the opposite side of Aquaman or something.

It's really weird. Is it my execution? A bug? Cause it feels really odd and random.

 

[SimSim]

Hey, I have a small question and was wondering if anyone else has experienced this: When I do F13 xx Trident scoop when I try to follow up with 22 aquaman will not be facing the opponent. Like.. It hasn't registered that the opponent is on the opposite side of Aquaman or something.

It's really weird. Is it my execution? A bug? Cause it feels really odd and random.

Yea I can't do it consistently either. Just do b12 in stead after the scoop!

 

[knight x1868]

man we have to do something to organize this list!

 

[Jaiyson]

Hey, I have a small question and was wondering if anyone else has experienced this: When I do F13 xx Trident scoop when I try to follow up with 22 aquaman will not be facing the opponent. Like.. It hasn't registered that the opponent is on the opposite side of Aquaman or something.

It's really weird. Is it my execution? A bug? Cause it feels really odd and random.

I have that same problem too. so I go for b 1 2 follow up instead..or I wait a bit then follow with 2 2

 

[knight x1868]

I have that same problem too. so I go for b 1 2 follow up instead..or I wait a bit then follow with 2 2

It's a similar issue to what is being discussed in this thread

http://testyourmight.com/threads/character-specific-stance-changes-effect-environmental-bounces-ridiculous.33486/page-2#post-906437

If you change his stance before you do the combo, the combo won't be dropped. It's something that will have to be patched.

 

[DJbezoar]

It's a similar issue to what is being discussed in this thread

http://testyourmight.com/threads/character-specific-stance-changes-effect-environmental-bounces-ridiculous.33486/page-2#post-906437

If you change his stance before you do the combo, the combo won't be dropped. It's something that will have to be patched.

Wow, that's crazy. I was wondering why exactly it happens, so thanks. This game seems to have a few glitchy things...

 

[rev0lver]

So yeah I'm going to say again since no one responded. Anyone want to post for me an organized combo guide/list and I'll update the OP? I'm playing like 90% Lex and 10% Aquaman right now so I don't know whatever's up to date.

 

[trustinme]

Hey, I have a small question and was wondering if anyone else has experienced this: When I do F13 xx Trident scoop when I try to follow up with 22 aquaman will not be facing the opponent. Like.. It hasn't registered that the opponent is on the opposite side of Aquaman or something.

It's really weird. Is it my execution? A bug? Cause it feels really odd and random.

lol yeah i get this quite alot,its really annoying.i think its a timing thing more than anything though.

 

[scorpion990]

Reserved for compiled list.

 

[AK Storm_The_Gates]

So after a d2 AA is it worth to burn the 1 bar for db2 if it wont kill? The scaling seems so severe that I feel i should just be doing
d2, b12 xx db1, 223 or f2 1+3 depending on where I am on the screen.

 

[DJbezoar]

So after a d2 AA is it worth to burn the 1 bar for db2 if it wont kill? The scaling seems so severe that I feel i should just be doing
d2, b12 xx db1, 223 or f2 1+3 depending on where I am on the screen.

I dunno, I always waste the meter when I can.. 30% for one bar off of an anti air is nothing to scoff at.

 

[AK Storm_The_Gates]

is it really 30%? I only got 25%. Might need to revisit it.

 

[DJbezoar]

is it really 30%? I only got 25%. Might need to revisit it.

I do d2, 22 XX db2 MB 22 XX db1, 223/f2 1+3 (depending on if I wanna keep them in the corner or whatever). Its not that hard of a link when you get used to it, and I can do it online unless its like.. dial-up laggy.

 

[TRY_HARD]

Hey, I have a small question and was wondering if anyone else has experienced this: When I do F13 xx Trident scoop when I try to follow up with 22 aquaman will not be facing the opponent. Like.. It hasn't registered that the opponent is on the opposite side of Aquaman or something.

It's really weird. Is it my execution? A bug? Cause it feels really odd and random.

Yeah after f13 scoop you can do 1 221 or f2 1+3 its slightly more damage, easier to land (for me at least) and if you wiff the 1 its not nearly as bad as wiffing a 22

 

[testyourpatience]

what's the most consistent way to convert off a D2? you have to be pretty close to use 22, and only the first hit of scoop lands if it's too far. B12 seems like the best option, but it still won't hit off a max range D2, and you don't have time to dash afterwards.

 

[Hellion_96]

Meterless mid screen
B12~db2, b12~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

22~db2, b12~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

B2, b12~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

B2~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

f1~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

f13~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

D1~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

D2, 22~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

B3, J3, 22~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

F3, J2, 22~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

air to air, 22~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

meterless corner only
f13, 22~db1, f2 1+3



Meter midscreen
B12~db2, b12~MB db2, 22~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

22~db2, b12~MB db2, 22~db1, f2 1+3 or 223

B2, B12~MB db2, 22~db1, F2 1+3 or 223

B2~db1, 22~MB db2, F2 1+3 or 223

B2U3, MB db2, dash b12~db1, f2 1+3 or 223


F13, MB db2, dash b12~db1, F2 1+3 or 223

F13~db1, b12~MB db2 F2 1+3 or 223

F1~db1, 22~MB db2, F2 1+3 or 223


B3, j3, 22~MB db2, 22~db1, f2 1+3 or 223


F3, j2, 22~MB db2, 22~db1, f2 1+3 or 223


Air to air, 22~MB db2, 22~db1 f2 1+3 or 223


d2, 22~MB db2, 22~db1, f2 1+3 or 223


D1~db1, 22~MB db2, f2 1+3 or 223

MB db2, dash, b12~db1, f2 1+3 or 223


Corner only
meter
F13, 22~MB db2, 22~db1, f2 1+3

rev0lver

 

[Ben Reed]

what's the most consistent way to convert off a D2? you have to be pretty close to use 22, and only the first hit of scoop lands if it's too far. B12 seems like the best option, but it still won't hit off a max range D2, and you don't have time to dash afterwards.

In all but the most extreme max-range situations, you can usually walk forward about half a step (best accomplished by just holding forward while waiting for the opponent to fall to the right height), and this will get you into range for the 22 pickup. It's usually not that hard unless you traded with the opponent at a long range, in which case you may have to do something non-optimal just to get some kind of conversion from the hit.

 

[testyourpatience]

In all but the most extreme max-range situations, you can usually walk forward about half a step (best accomplished by just holding forward while waiting for the opponent to fall to the right height), and this will get you into range for the 22 pickup. It's usually not that hard unless you traded with the opponent at a long range, in which case you may have to do something non-optimal just to get some kind of conversion from the hit.

oh i see what you're saying: you can do that when D2 is used as an anti air, but i often use it against batman players who send out bats from full screen and then dash dash dash up to me. one thing i didn't realize until now is bats don't put you in a lot of blockstun so you can just block and attack. i use D2 in case he jumps, but obviously, it also gets him if he tries a ground string. so a grounded opponent is probably the hardest situation to convert off a d2.

when are you supposed to use trident rush? i was thinking you could block-confirm your string and then go into rush for chip damage since it's safer than scoop and from the deep (?), but since aquaman has such good mixups, it might be worth going for the scoop anyways or pressuring with F12.

which brings me to my next question: how exactly are you supposed to use trait? i see some people waiting until they get hit, but then i see some people using it in anticipation of getting hit. i think the second one is worse because some people still have trouble punishing, so you're wasting your trait for nothing. but i see tom brady using it early all the time.

sorry if those are answered already. i'm trying to read this whole thread but there's a lot of pages.

 

[Ben Reed]

testyourpatience

22 will work after a ground hit d2, but it's kinda tight compared to an anti-air hit. Definitely worth practicing, though, it's nowhere near impossible and actually very practical in certain matchups, particularly the Aquaman mirror, because it's 7f and launches on 1st hit so that he can't protect himself with trait. d2 combo damage is low, but it sure beats the damage on b1 into nothing because the other Aquaman popped trait.

Trident Rush is -10 on block, but very difficult for most characters to punish on block. In order to ensure you have minimal disadvantage on block, you want to dash way into the opponent when you do it so that the last hit gets blocked. As long as the last hit gets blocked, most 6-frame moves can't punish you on block, even as reversals, due to awkward spacing. Don't try this against Superman with full meter, obviously.

If you have surplus bar that you don't need for defense (don't do this vs. Doomsday or Nightwing unless you are winning HANDILY), you can do Trident Rush MB, which is the same disadvantage on block. The move doesn't do a GIGANTIC amount of chip anymore, but it still REFUNDS 20% meter on block (4/5 of a stock), so it usually forces the opponent to pushblock to deny you meter gain and chip. This is a 1-to-1 meter exchange, and can be useful if you have the meter lead, and you want to intentionally drain your opponent's meter by forcing them to pushblock.

Trait takes the most getting used to, but is extremely rewarding when you get better at using it. it's not just for protecting yourself after a blocked move that's really unsafe, it can also save your life if you WHIFF a move, as well as severely limit the damage you can receive from certain standing resets (read: Killer Frost). Tom Brady is an excellent player to watch for his use of trait; he has an excellent ability to use the trait to save himself from whiff punishment if he makes a bad guess. Watch the ECT top 8 stream archive for good examples of when to use trait.

This trait is absolutely crucial to getting the most out of Aquaman because he's not a particularly safe character, nor is he a particularly deceptive one. If your opponent isn't killing themselves jumping into his d2 or getting hit by b1/b2 all the time, you need to take calculated offensive risks to confuse and/or condition your opponent, and trait helps keep you safe (or less unsafe) while you try stuff out.

Trait is a hard thing to TELL people how to use. Learning how to use it is mostly about trying it out in casuals and seeing what works, what doesn't, and paying careful attention to what it ruins.

 

[x0Kakashi]

some swag combos

Midscreen:
3, MB db2, dash, b12, db1, 22, bf2
b123. MB db2, dash, b12, db1, 3, bf2

corner:
f13, b123, MB db2, b123, db1, f2+13
f13, b123, MB db2, b123, df1

 

[keroppilee]

Anybody have the damage %'s for these combos? Also not to be nitpicky but I'm curious as to why in notation MB is in front of the move since MB is actually a button press that occurs after the move.

Thanks OP and contributors for putting ths thread together.

 

[testyourpatience]

testyourpatience

22 will work after a ground hit d2, but it's kinda tight compared to an anti-air hit. Definitely worth practicing, though, it's nowhere near impossible and actually very practical in certain matchups, particularly the Aquaman mirror, because it's 7f and launches on 1st hit so that he can't protect himself with trait. d2 combo damage is low, but it sure beats the damage on b1 into nothing because the other Aquaman popped trait.

Trident Rush is -10 on block, but very difficult for most characters to punish on block. In order to ensure you have minimal disadvantage on block, you want to dash way into the opponent when you do it so that the last hit gets blocked. As long as the last hit gets blocked, most 6-frame moves can't punish you on block, even as reversals, due to awkward spacing. Don't try this against Superman with full meter, obviously.

If you have surplus bar that you don't need for defense (don't do this vs. Doomsday or Nightwing unless you are winning HANDILY), you can do Trident Rush MB, which is the same disadvantage on block. The move doesn't do a GIGANTIC amount of chip anymore, but it still REFUNDS 20% meter on block (4/5 of a stock), so it usually forces the opponent to pushblock to deny you meter gain and chip. This is a 1-to-1 meter exchange, and can be useful if you have the meter lead, and you want to intentionally drain your opponent's meter by forcing them to pushblock.

Trait takes the most getting used to, but is extremely rewarding when you get better at using it. it's not just for protecting yourself after a blocked move that's really unsafe, it can also save your life if you WHIFF a move, as well as severely limit the damage you can receive from certain standing resets (read: Killer Frost). Tom Brady is an excellent player to watch for his use of trait; he has an excellent ability to use the trait to save himself from whiff punishment if he makes a bad guess. Watch the ECT top 8 stream archive for good examples of when to use trait.

This trait is absolutely crucial to getting the most out of Aquaman because he's not a particularly safe character, nor is he a particularly deceptive one. If your opponent isn't killing themselves jumping into his d2 or getting hit by b1/b2 all the time, you need to take calculated offensive risks to confuse and/or condition your opponent, and trait helps keep you safe (or less unsafe) while you try stuff out.

Trait is a hard thing to TELL people how to use. Learning how to use it is mostly about trying it out in casuals and seeing what works, what doesn't, and paying careful attention to what it ruins.

in reading your post, i realized that i shouldn't be going for D2 when my opponent's on the ground anyways because it's unsafe, so i shouldn't be worried about comboing from it after hitting a grounded opponent. perhaps only against aquaman, but i'd probably use another character against him anyways. what combo do you do after connecting a d2? i figured spending a bar is stupid because it scales so much, unless you need it to win or something.

 

[Ben Reed]

testyourpatience

d2, 22~DB1, f2 1+3 or 223
d2, 22~DB2 MB, 22~DB1, f2 1+3 or 223
d2, 22~DB1, 22~DB2 MB, f2 1+3 or 223

Any of those three combos will work on the whole cast, ground OR air hit d2.

If you hit an opponent VERY high in the air with d2, you can do stuff like the following:

d2, b3, j3, the rest of any combo above
d2, j2, the rest of any combo above
(stage-specific) d2, background kick, b3, j3, the rest of any combo above

These are not required, and in the b3's case, are often difficult to hit-confirm in a real match (b3 is obviously slow, and the recovery on d2 makes it hard to time early). As long as you can do 22~whatever after d2, you can do decent Aquaman AA BnBs. f2 1+3 is the preferable ender (if you can't do the d3 -> pseudo-OTG b1 setup, which may or may not be getting removed from the game anyway) because the spacing and recovery time is better than 223, but if you need to do 223 to keep the opponent in the corner, then do it.

Spending a bar on d2 is actually worth it in most matchups unless you REALLY need to conserve meter to defend yourself. I can only think of two matchups so extreme that you'd need to do that, and those are Nightwing and Doomsday. Otherwise, there's no shame in spending meter on a d2 combo. The extra damage is usually QUITE worth it, even considering damage scaling from the d2 starter.

You have to remember in this game that meter build isn't temporarily suspended mid-combo after using an MB move -- if you have enough non-metered hits in your combo, you can rebuild a lot of the meter cost of your combo. You're typically not flat-out losing a WHOLE stock to do an MB combo. You're not doing a lot of damage, no, but not at a very high cost, either.

If you recently spent a bar on a combo you just completed, though, and you have a decent life lead, it can be frugal to just do a meterless combo off d2 instead of a metered one to stockpile for a bigger combo off a less scaled starter (b1, b2, MB b3, etc.). It's really just common sense when managing meter for Aquaman's combos; as long as you don't spend more than 1 stock in his combos, you usually don't have to think too hard about his bar. Just do whatever makes sense for the situation you're currently in.