The reason KJ beats GM Sub is because b1 punishes most of his block strings into ice clone. Ex low chakram breaks clone too.
If b1 froze KJ when trying to punish those strings, that MU is even at best. Idk how you can rationalize someone being able to do a blockstring in the corner and then cancel into the best lock down tool in the entire game. The ONLY way out for some is interactable. But even then his overhead can catch you on the way up.
Dawg, stop trying to downplay clone. Like 90% of everybody says, "GM Sub has many dominant match ups, but he gets dominated on many too". You take away the ability to poke through clone, he doesn't get dominate by anybody...may not even lose to anybody. He has some of the best corner carry, a freezing projectile that exs into taking away a mid air projectile and still freezes, he has true 50/50s, general safety on some strings, great AA in s1, a low sliding special that covers like 3/4 screen AND decent damage. Him with just that is a decent character even in this broken game. You add a tool that freezes the opponent every time that they touch it, regardless of situation, regardless of move...you have some broke shit, regardless of cooldown.
Subby even beats A-List Cage, dude.
You don't have to justify your point by pointing out how my character is insane. I know how sub can dominate a lot of characters very easily in the corner. This whole argument was because you said sub kills footsies. Which is false and I proved it. It's not your typical spacing game, it's fighting sub around the clone.
The fact that this comes off as downplaying to you is baffling. Nowhere have I said his clone is fine, his corner game is fair etc
About KJ. Kung Jin dominates sub because of his hitboxes, but sub won't win anything behind the clone, and you forget Jin has range, safe mixups and great zoning, so he can frustrate sub and kill his midscreen game. His up kick down kick thing also goes past the clone and chakram punishes clone cancels too. B1 is not the end all be all of the mu. Corner is corner, it's a mixer for sub, even I can admit it. Guess right pretty much.
Only way out is interactable? *sigh again countless armor, teleports, clone pasing projectiles. I mean... Idk what to tell you.
Those things that people say about sub? Yeah I say them too lol. You're correct sub loses big and wins big. If all disjointed hitboxes leave then yeah most or all his matchups become 5-5s or 6-4 other characters. Because like I said hitboxes ain't the only thing that sub loses too.
Why is this an argument of why sub is a good character lol. I thought we were talking about footsies. Also subs basic design is bad. All his strings are -5 and less. His overhead is unsafe his low is unsafe. If he makes it safe he has a gap and burned bar. Also all his countless bugs.
Watch this be called downplaying again. *rolls eyes
