Match-up Discussion Hawkgirl Matchup Discussion

[Jon Berg]

Yes... But the thing with Superman is that he is OP af nobody can with a very good Superman, or barely can... I play Theo very often and for much that match is 5-5 he really knows what to do! But our only option against his zoning is flying... No way we can get in just dashing~blocking

Absolutely. I'm not arguing. You gotta do what you gotta do to win. Use the tools you have. But HG matches are real snoozers.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Absolutely. I'm not arguing. You gotta do what you gotta do to win. Use the tools you have. But HG matches are real snoozers.

Yes :/ I sometimes get boring myself lol! But idc i love her and that's why i have Catwoman and Wonder Woman if i wanna make an strict fight

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

Fuck "hype", i've came to really despise this word coz of the FGC.

Who gives a shit if its hype to watch or not? Play the match the way its supposed to be played, doing stupider stuff to make the match "hype" is beyond retarded.
I'll be the lamest player ever if it gets me the win, which is why i respect chris G so much. He'll use the lamest shit and doesnt care about how it looks.
Its about taking the win and outplaying your opponent not making this shit a spectator sport. We've become mindless +1's to the streams that just want to see cool looking combos and retarded comebacks instead of seeing the mindgames and the actual gameplay going on.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

^ Exactly but with hype i meant as a player... Is hype using her

 

[regulas]

Absolutely. I'm not arguing. You gotta do what you gotta do to win. Use the tools you have. But HG matches are real snoozers.

It seems really just that despite you liking the character herself, as a playstyle she just is opposed to what you prefer. While she does generally lack the risk reward of other characters, she still has as much prediction as any other character but whereas others use 50/50s and set-ups she uses pacing and timing. As with any zoner/footsies character I like her especially for the fact that I can play at a comfortable pace rather then franticly moving as fast as possible.


You could always try and play Chris G style; save meter solely for pushblock/clash and when your opponent gets down to ~40% super them to end the bar. That way at least you get a big bang.

 

[shaowebb]

How in the hell is she not hype? Visually she's turning flips, dashing in fast with dropkicks, divekicking folks for hellish knockdowns and her combos involve that SOUND as she rapid fire beats you in the head with a mace?!

Her pressure had my WV guys hype as hell yesterday as I just kind of mashed out specials and hoped I would guess her strings on folks. I even managed to run back a full lifebar on a Flash yesterday that way with her. I know I was hype at least. Its why I want to learn her now. Stuff felt great and looked stylish even though I didn't have a damned clue.

 

[afrozilla86]

Dont see enough hawk girls online. And I only ran into one good one out of the few I found so I can't really say Much. as a g.l main, Jump away turbine to get in immediately seemed to be my main response, she has a lot more keep away options than I originally thought, if it wasn't for the fact that she was air based I would probably pick her up as a secondary, my question was this how she handles cyborg, batgirl, and d.s, granted neither gives too much trouble, how do they do on hawkgirl

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

Ds and batgirl give her trouble (imo 2 of her 3 worst MUs, with Sinestro as the 3rd) as they can take her down from flight very easily anywhere on the screen.
She can win and she has tools, its just that flight isnt one of them in these fights >.>

 

[Espio]

Dont see enough hawk girls online. And I only ran into one good one out of the few I found so I can't really say Much. as a g.l main, Jump away turbine to get in immediately seemed to be my main response, she has a lot more keep away options than I originally thought, if it wasn't for the fact that she was air based I would probably pick her up as a secondary, my question was this how she handles cyborg, batgirl, and d.s, granted neither gives too much trouble, how do they do on hawkgirl

Cyborg is a pretty fun match up actually from when I played it a while ago, I also play Cyborg as a secondary.

I actually think it's even, but it requires a very fundamentally sound playstyle to hang with him. The match up is incredibly weird, not quite sure how to word it right now, but I'm thinking of doing a breakdown of my thoughts soon to go along with all of us collaborating on match ups.

Deathstroke, Batgirl and Sinestro are her worst match ups though in my opinion, probably 3-7 each respectively.

It's one of the few times I feel limited against anyone on the cast. They shut down a lot of her mobility and many of them beat her up close too like Deathstroke for example.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Cyborg is a pretty fun match up actually from when I played it a while ago, I also play Cyborg as a secondary.

I actually think it's even, but it requires a very fundamentally sound playstyle to hang with him. The match up is incredibly weird, not quite sure how to word it right now, but I'm thinking of doing a breakdown of my thoughts soon to go along with all of us collaborating on match ups.

Deathstroke, Batgirl and Sinestro are her worst match ups though in my opinion, probably 3-7 each respectively.

It's one of the few times I feel limited against anyone on the cast. They shut down a lot of her mobility and many of them beat her up close too like Deathstroke for example.

We are practically imobile.. It's pretty weird...

 

[Espio]

We are practically imobile.. It's pretty weird...

Well what I mean is that Cyborg's advantages are from full screen away only, up close she's actually better mix up wise and string wise in terms of safeness and damage. Her pokes really make it hard for him to get anything going when she does get in, he seems to have a hard time getting characters off of him outside of using armored grappling hook and MB back 3/forward 3 both in my experience playing against him and as him a lot, but this is not to say he cannot use grappling hook with armor to get away

Down 2 buff hurt Cyborg's jump ins a lot including grappling hook into jump as his mids, strings and footsie options all either have minimal range, a lot of holes or do minimal damage. He's one of the only characters in the game with equally or even weaker midscreen damage output and he has a pretty hard time opening people up for his damage.


Fireballs being duckable now helps too, there's a lot of little nuances.

At worst it would be 4-6, but for now my impressions are 5-5, but that could change with new data and evidence.


Unlike Deathstroke who has a great up close game, solid mix ups etc or Sinestro with a crazy good trait, Cyborg lacks these two things, lacks damage, lacks good mix ups and lacks solid footsie strings etc to really mess with Hawkgirl.

He only has advantage from far away.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Well what I mean is that Cyborg's advantages are from full screen away only, up close she's actually better mix up wise and string wise in terms of safeness and damage. Her pokes really make it hard for him to get anything going when she does get in, he seems to have a hard time getting characters off of him outside of using armored grappling hook and MB back 3/forward 3 both in my experience playing against him and as him a lot, but this is not to say he cannot use grappling hook with armor to get away

Down 2 buff hurt Cyborg's jump ins a lot including grappling hook into jump as his mids, strings and footsie options all either have minimal range, a lot of holes or do minimal damage. He's one of the only characters in the game with equally or even weaker midscreen damage output and he has a pretty hard time opening people up for his damage.


Fireballs being duckable now helps too, there's a lot of little nuances.

At worst it would be 4-6, but for now my impressions are 5-5, but that could change with new data and evidence.


Unlike Deathstroke who has a great up close game, solid mix ups etc or Sinestro with a crazy good trait, Cyborg lacks these two things, lacks damage, lacks good mix ups and lacks solid footsie strings etc to really mess with Hawkgirl.

He only has advantage from far away.

Ohh no sorry sorry i meant in the Batgirl, Sinestro and Deathstroke.. I also agree on that Cyborg mu

 

[Espio]

Ohh no sorry sorry i meant in the Batgirl, Sinestro and Deathstroke.. I also agree on that Cyborg mu

Oh okay haha...I was confused because I was talking about the Cyborg match up being weird by itself, not those three inclused.

The good thing I will say about those tough match ups is that they have certainly encouraged me to improve my spacing, mix ups and rushdown game over the months lol.

 

[Boodendorf]

I think one of the big things is what was mentioned in another thread, that she is boring to watch. She is literally the anti-hype.

I find myself pretty hype to watch .

Deathstroke, Batgirl and Sinestro are her worst match ups though in my opinion, probably 3-7 each respectively.

Sinestro's a 8-2 matchup in his favor. Non trait Sinestro is 7-3, Sinestro with trait is 9-1, so basically it makes the matchup 8-2.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Oh okay haha...I was confused because I was talking about the Cyborg match up being weird by itself, not those three inclused.

The good thing I will say about those tough match ups is that they have certainly encouraged me to improve my spacing, mix ups and rushdown game over the months lol.

Lol XD

Yes, i like playing them as well because since her trait is useless it helps me to make my game less delendent to her trait

 

[Three Treasures]

Eh, I'd put green lantern over batgirl, or maybe I just haven't fought a good batgirl. Green lantern is hell for me.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Eh, I'd put green lantern over batgirl, or maybe I just haven't fought a good batgirl. Green lantern is hell for me.

No, Green Lantern is even... Batgirl is a nightmare since she takes out our main tool.. The air

 

[Relaxedstate]

What do you think about hawkgirl Cyrborg MU?

I cant really see what HAwkgirk can do tbh.... but maybe I dont know all her trap set ups that well

 

[afrozilla86]

G.l hawk girl is not even lol but 7-3g.l is too hi I agree

 

[RunwayMafia]

Yes... But the thing with Superman is that he is OP af nobody can with a very good Superman, or barely can... I play Theo very often and for much that match is 5-5 he really knows what to do! But our only option against his zoning is flying... No way we can get in just dashing~blocking

I play Theo quite a bit...its tough but Superman can be managed. And lol at Jon Berg...I question if he actually supports HG...he needs to drop her and go beg for nerfs for a different character *rolls eyes*

 

[TrulyAmiracle]

Nah GL is at worst 6-4, even imo, if u play it right he cant get in without taking risks. Both have tools to shut the other person's options.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

I play Theo quite a bit...its tough but Superman can be managed. And lol at Jon Berg...I question if he actually supports HG...he needs to drop her and go beg for nerfs for a different character *rolls eyes*

Lol yes Hawkgirl can laugh at Superman's zoning, but Theo knows how to deal with her... Lol Jon Berg pfft

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

G.l hawk girl is not even lol but 7-3g.l is too hi I agree

Yes it is O: maybe 4-6 but so barely

 

[Espio]

I don't find any of her matches to be "snoozers" or playing as her to be "boring" she has a great deal of safe strings, mix ups and options she can use up close to keep her fresh and interesting. She has really fun grounded footsies and spacing too, which are worth looking into and exploring.


A character is what you make of them so to complain about her makes no sense to me when you can play her however you choose and still have success with good spacing, reads etc.


She has the tools to pressure and pressure safely even with her T-Rex reach, other characters have this problem and do not have flight or a safe get in tool like mace charge yet still can pressure opponents with smart rushdown.

 

[RunwayMafia]

I don't find any of her matches to be "snoozers" or playing as her to be "boring" she has a great deal of safe strings, mix ups and options she can use up close to keep her fresh and interesting. She has really fun grounded footsies and spacing too, which are worth looking into and exploring.


A character is what you make of them so to complain about her makes no sense to me when you can play her however you choose and still have success with good spacing, reads etc.


She has the tools to pressure and pressure safely even with her T-Rex reach, other characters have this problem and do not have flight or a safe get in tool like mace charge yet still can pressure opponents with smart rushdown.

Exactly. I think she is hype as fuck because she comes off as such a strong and agile fighter. I love her voice when you land a MB Mace Charge...plus she controls the pace/tempo and the air like no other...Love HG!