Injustice Kryptonite Council Podcast Episode 3 Feat: Tom Brady, Reo, Pig of the Hut, M2dave

[16 Bit]

throw? i mean people constantly just pretend throw doesnt matter. but you are put right back where scorpion wants you after a throw. you want to be in his face. he also has overhead starter does he not? yes you can react to these things at a high level, but thats such a small window to be looking at things through, open the blinds.

also, how many times do you see people miss the punish on teleport when they make it whif by blocking low? not to mention some characters cant do their best punishes unless they block it standing

If I get thrown I blame myself. I should have been looking for the tech. I actually cannot react to his overhead. I have to block that on read. It's full combo punishable though.

You see people miss the punish because they're not used to it yet. When I first started playing hotfixed Scorp I was upset too. I was raging about how it was a buff and what not. Then I got used to it. I am very consistent on punishing it now.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Let us concentrate on The Flash. I would like to know which fool(s) requested The Flash to be buffed about 85 times. Deathstroke loses to The Flash 2:8 now

Is this a serious question? Flash was not a great char before, lower mid at best and he certainly needed the buffs.

 

[RWDY Nori]

What I don't understand about this forum (and this thread) is why it's cool & funny for some players to have multiple accounts (explicitly against the rules) so they can troll for their amusement, yet it gets guys like Derp banned.

Double standard much?

It's the same reason lebron james never gets called for offensive charging. Star treatment my friend

 

[16 Bit]

Scorpion is yesterday's news.

Let us concentrate on The Flash. I would like to know which fool(s) requested The Flash to be buffed about 85 times. Deathstroke loses to The Flash 2:8 now.

Also, why does Killer Frost punish my low gunshots full screen away? Iceberg needs more start up frames. As does Raven's soul crush. These moves are unbalanced.

Maybe you should mix up your zoning better because you can blow up KF for trying to punish low shot. I thought you were the zoning master? Why is Slips a better zoner than you?

 

[STRYKIE]

i would have all DLC banned if it were my choice, but scorpion (imo) was deserving enough and the topic was much more accepted

i think Batgirl is cheap too, as well as mopping up alot of zoners and stopping alot of characters from playing their game. Really all scorpion talking points could be applied to her. Only differences are not as many people were having to deal with her (since hardly anyone uses her, for some reason) and she came out before Scorp.

Lobo is Lobo, he has some dirt but we all know he isn't a problem and he doesn't take any amount of time to learn the MU, Plus he doesn't completely invalidate anyone's main which i think is possibly the biggest issue with Scop and to a lesser extent, Batgirl

Agreed, should have been all or nothing to begin with and then maybe there wouldn't have been so much impulsive pressure for the rest of TYM to *gasp* think for themselves.

I digress, so much insecurities are thrown around about the public image of the game concerning an "unexplored broken character" winning EVO, when that can still very much happen with Babs. And if it does, that's what will have Injustice, and maybe the MKC entirely normalized into the image of SC4 2.0. forever by the outside FGC.

I don't think it will happen just because we haven't seen an out and out understanding of Batgirl from a player behind her, but it's an interesting thought.

 

[LEGEND]

Scorpion is yesterday's news.

Let us concentrate on The Flash. I would like to know which fool(s) requested The Flash to be buffed about 85 times. Deathstroke loses to The Flash 2:8 now.

whats funny about flash is every time flash buffs have been brought up (by good players) they always were in regard to him having a bad backdash and why he didn't have a 6 frame normal when he's supposed to be the fastest man alive

Flash never had serious problems with jumps cause of his 5 frame Ji1 and good forward dash, and he definitely didn't need help getting in. Yet those are the things NRS went in on several times. . .Now he is glued to his target at all times, AAs every jumping attack for free, wakes up safely and can punish basically everything with a full combo no matter where he is

MashPotatoTower's "Flash Top 5" Trolling has now become a reality

 

[annoyedw/ppl]

If I get thrown I blame myself. I should have been looking for the tech. I actually cannot react to his overhead. I have to block that on read. It's full combo punishable though.

You see people miss the punish because they're not used to it yet. When I first started playing hotfixed Scorp I was upset too. I was raging about how it was a buff and what not. Then I got used to it. I am very consistent on punishing it now.

I get that, i commend the adaptation. If you want to win at the highest level you have to adapt to everything. but im not worried about high level players getting blown up, im worried after evo everyone will just say screw the drama bs and not play the game anymore.

I was worried people online would stop playing because scorpion was just shoving his foot down everyone's throat. it was really really bad, you can't play random ppl online without playing him over and over and over and over. and even as you learn to fight him you just feel no satisfaction in winning. you have to play in such a way as to ruin your enjoyment of the game. when people (casual and hardcore) feel they need to switch to scorpion to start winning, thats a huge problem. you gotta stand up to bulshit on the principle, whether you can adapt to it or not

 

[16 Bit]

I get that, i commend the adaptation. If you want to win at the highest level you have to adapt to everything. but im not worried about high level players getting blown up, im worried after evo everyone will just say screw the drama bs and not play the game anymore.

I was worried people online would stop playing because scorpion was just shoving his foot down everyone's throat. it was really really bad, you can't play random ppl online without playing him over and over and over and over. and even as you learn to fight him you just feel no satisfaction in winning. you have to play in such a way as to ruin your enjoyment of the game. when people (casual and hardcore) feel they need to switch to scorpion to start winning, thats a huge problem. you gotta stand up to bulshit on the principle, whether you can adapt to it or not

Then if we're going down that route I hope you agree when the pitchforks and torches are pointed at your favorite character.

 

[Onilordasmodeus]

Is this a serious question? Flash was not a great char before, lower mid at best and he certainly needed the buffs.

Yes it was a serious question. Do you see why now all this character ban BS coming from the "top" is BS in itself?

 

[M2Dave]

Maybe you should mix up your zoning better because you can blow up KF for trying to punish low shot. I thought you were the zoning master? Why is Slips a better zoner than you?

What zoning game? Killer Frost punishes low gunshots anywhere on the screen with Iceberg.

 

[annoyedw/ppl]

Then if we're going down that route I hope you agree when the pitchforks and torches are pointed at your favorite character.

you act like there is some long list of characters in secret discussions about being banned. i stated my opinion about dlc characters, and if my favorite character of all time were to be dlc i would stand by it to the bitter end.

i realize there will always be controversy on this, and if there was a movement to ban an original cast member it would be difficult to justify. but i dont think there would honestly be so much push for a ban if it wasnt warranted, as awful as the fgc is in almost everything they do and manage to screw up

but tell you what, if there ever comes a case where a character gets banned that i feel like there is no way they can be serious about this, i will send you a message that i was wrong, whether it is in this game or any other

 

[16 Bit]

What zoning game? Killer Frost punishes low gunshots anywhere on the screen with Iceberg.

Use MB low shots.

Also if she's sitting there prepared to do a reversal iceberg on a blocked low gunshot you can play your game.

 

[M2Dave]

Use MB low shots.

I will.

After I pull meter right out of Deathstroke's ass.

8:2 match up in favor of Killer Frost.

 

[Zoidberg747]

throw? i mean people constantly just pretend throw doesnt matter. but you are put right back where scorpion wants you after a throw. you want to be in his face. he also has overhead starter does he not? yes you can react to these things at a high level, but thats such a small window to be looking at things through, open the blinds.

also, how many times do you see people miss the punish on teleport when they make it whif by blocking low? not to mention some characters cant do their best punishes unless they block it standing

You can tech throws, no idea what that has to do with anything. His overhead string is HIGHLY reactable as well(It is slower than KF F3, Catwoman F11, Batgirls B2, Harley's F2 etc.). The tele is about as bad on whiff as on block. That should be a guaranteed punish everytime.

No offense but your post reeks of not studying the MU

 

[16 Bit]

I will.

After I pull meter right out of Deathstroke's ass.

8:2 match up in favor of Killer Frost.

Deathstroke vs. Killer Frost was only ever a 8-2 MU when I played you.

With her normalizations it is a close MU. Stop whining.

 

[annoyedw/ppl]

What zoning game? Killer Frost punishes low gunshots anywhere on the screen with Iceberg.

lol dave, you are justified in your statements about low shots, but they really had to do it...

you cant expect 500,000 people who bought the game to put up with the original low shot frames in an online setting, it was too much

its not fair what happened to him, and you have every right to see every character's best move nerfed the same way, but the fact is it had to happen from a business stand point. someone has to be the lamb sacrificed to get people to keep playing and buying dlc

 

[gdf]

Let us concentrate on The Flash. I would like to know which fool(s) requested The Flash to be buffed about 85 times. Deathstroke loses to The Flash 2:8 now.

Probably one of the only things I can agree with, while Flash struggled over the whole cast pre-patch. Vs Deathstroke was actually a very near 5 v 5 of Zoning vs Rushdown.

With Flash buffs and Deathstroke nerfs, I would not be surprised if Deathstroke players cried foul from someone like Zyphox murdering them in tournament.

Flash bandwagoners will jump on the backs of better players' successes eventually calling the Flash balanced.

But this is all futuresight, and we can't know this for a fact until Flash players start making noise.

 

[Hellbringer]

I respect 16 bit because his beard commands me to do so, also I think hes a great player and want to see him win because you can see he cares for the community hyping up his OWN matchs

That being said I feel the community in general needs to settle down and get into the practice ring. I've only been a champion in fps games(2 time MLG champions gears of war) but I have traveled and competed for mk9 and now injustice.

The hardest thing to master in any competitive sport/gaming whatever is RESPECT it's harder to lose with respect then blame something else and that does nothing to help actually improve the community.

sorry for the rant but I had to say something

ohio out-

Didnt you play halo:ce competetively?

 

[gamemk]

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[A F0xy Grampa]

You can tech throws, no idea what that has to do with anything. His overhead string is HIGHLY reactable as well(It is slower than KF F3, Catwoman F11, Batgirls B2, Harley's F2 etc.). The tele is about as bad on whiff as on block. That should be a guaranteed punish everytime.

No offense but your post reeks of not studying the MU

Key word, CAN tech throws.

How many people do it regularly?

 

[annoyedw/ppl]

You can tech throws, no idea what that has to do with anything. His overhead string is HIGHLY reactable as well(It is slower than KF F3, Catwoman F11, Batgirls B2, Harley's F2 etc.). The tele is about as bad on whiff as on block. That should be a guaranteed punish everytime.

No offense but your post reeks of not studying the MU

no offense but i feel like you lack reading comprehension skills. how did you score on the state tests in this category in school?

wait arent you the mb b3 guy? how can you accuse anyone of not studying matchups? saying you were wrong about that (after people made fun of it over and over so you had no choice but to try and save face) doesn't make you somehow less dumb then before

is your whole gameplan to just sit there ducking and tech throws? oh boy you teched the throw, what distance does that leave you to scorpion? are you somehow at a better position then you were 5 seconds prior? hell he could just neutral jump 1 again instead of overhead or throw. were you reacting to that?

 

[M2Dave]

lol dave, you are justified in your statements about low shots, but they really had to do it...

you cant expect 500,000 people who bought the game to put up with the original low shot frames in an online setting, it was too much

its not fair what happened to him, and you have every right to see every character's best move nerfed the same way, but the fact is it had to happen from a business stand point. someone has to be the lamb sacrificed to get people to keep playing and buying dlc

I agree.

I think Killer Frost's slide is fine, but Iceberg needs more start up frames.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Key word, CAN tech throws.

How many people do it regularly?

That is there problem. If you dont tech throws that is on you. It doesnt help that most people come from MK9 and in MK you could press ANYTHING to tech(I literally teched tons of throws on accident).

Teching throws is just practice and reads.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

That is there problem. If you dont tech throws that is on you. It doesnt help that most people come from MK9 and in MK you could press ANYTHING to tech(I literally teched tons of throws on accident).

Teching throws is just practice and reads.

You couldnt tech throws in MK9 by pressing anything, it was 2 for a forward throw and 1 for a backwards throw.

Dont forget, alot of situations where people get thrown is because theyre defending from a greater risk, why would you be mashing throws when somebody jumps in at you, thats generally the most dangerous time to be doing it. Then theres shit like staggers and what not, theres alot of options to set them up, and I believe Scorpion has pretty strong ones.

 

[Zoidberg747]

no offense but i feel like you lack reading comprehension skills. how did you score on the state tests in this category in school?

wait arent you the mb b3 guy? how can you accuse anyone of not studying matchups? saying you were wrong about that (after people made fun of it over and over so you had no choice but to try and save face) doesn't make you somehow less dumb then before

is your whole gameplan to just sit there ducking and tech throws? oh boy you teched the throw, what distance does that leave you to scorpion? are you somehow at a better position then you were 5 seconds prior? hell he could just neutral jump 1 again instead of overhead or throw. were you reacting to that?

I have gotten a perfect score on the state reading tests since the 6th grade. No idea why you bring that up.

Oh ok, so because I was wrong ONE TIME, that means I know nothing about this game. I still know Scorpion, I still do fine against Scorpion, and there is PLENTY of top players who have echoed my points(@GGA 16 bit for example).

And YES, my whole plan is ducking and teching throws. It is called DEFENSE. If you sit back and AA, Duck, and tech the throws he can't do anything. That is how you play him, you sit back and wait for him to make a mistake.

You couldnt tech throws in MK9 by pressing anything, it was 2 for a forward throw and 1 for a backwards throw.

I must have been really lucky then. In VF you have to tech it by pressing the direction of the throw as well, and at a high level people tech throws 95% of the time(I think Tekken may be the same way, not sure though).