Injustice Kryptonite Council Podcast Episode 3 Feat: Tom Brady, Reo, Pig of the Hut, M2dave

[16 Bit]

I'm using examples on how he doesn't fit and you just don't agree w/it. It's not empty talk. Empty talk is talking out of my ass, which I'm not doing if I'm providing examples. There have been many reasons provided why he's being potentially banned, obviously it's not because of my own gut feeling, the last 2 sentences were just silly.

And saying blowing up the teleport enough and then play your game is like saying block enough lows/mids/highs and break all throws and you'll win. Yes, that is the plan but it's insanely in scorpion's favor to not have that happen.

Your examples are not based on reality though. "it's obvious his teleport wasn't meant to be a fast crossup" is literally you talking out of your ass. That is your reality, that is you deciding how the game "should" be played.

I disagree about it being in Scorpion's favor.

 

[Art Killer B]

There is no number.

Pre-patch Deathstroke never placed top 8 but was normalized.

Aside from Tom Brady, pre-patch Aquaman never placed top 8 but was normalized.

I genuinely believe that pre-patch Scorpion broke the game, and I am not going to argue why because I have done so in writing and speaking.

Players complain about the character that gives their main character the most problems. When I complain, I am hurting the community and the game. When others complain, nobody says anything.

Know Your Facts 3.0
Here we go again.
*NOTE: Deathstroke was patched on May 20th*

Toggle, PLS.

Spoiler

WNF Special Injustice Tournament (4/17)
1. EGP|Tyrant (Superman, Solomon Grundy)
2. EGP|Wonderchef (Aquaman, Wonder Woman)
3. EG|Justin Wong (Batman)
4. EG|Floe (Green Lantern)
5. EGP|Awesomo (Black Adam)
5. EGP|Red Reaper (Doomsday)
7. Aris (Deathstroke)
7. ROMAN (Doomsday)

WNF 2.4 (4/24)
1. ATP|Aris (Deathstroke)
2. EGP|Tyrant (Superman)
3. EGP|Awesomo (Black Adam)
4. EGP|Krayzie (Catwoman)
5. EGP|P Board Player (Superman)
5. Sonic Boom Brad (Black Adam)
7. EGP|Legend (Flash)
7. LUYG|Rip (Superman)

WNF 2.5 (5/1)
1. EGP|P Board Player 88 (Superman)
2. ATP|Aris (Deathstroke)
3. RDK|Godspeed (Black Adam)
4. LUYG|RIP (Superman)
5. RDK|Awesomo (Ares)
5. Rickstah (Aquaman)
7. EGP|Krazie (Black Adam)
7. P Gorath (Ares)

NLBC #15 (5/1)
1. AGE|Chris G (Green Arrow/Nightwing)
2. TS| Sabin (Green Lantern)
3. EMP| DragonGod (Black Adam)
4. More4YourBuck (Deathstroke)
5. VSM| Jailhouse (Cyborg)
5. FNEX|EMP| MadTitan (Superman/Doomsday)
7. TS| NerdJosh (Wonder Woman)
7. TS| Marvisto (Ares)

WNF 2.6 (5/8)
1. EGP|Tyrant (Superman)
2. RDK|Godspeed (Black Adam)
3. ATP|Aris (Deathstroke)
4. Xblades (Nightwing)
5. EGP|Krazie (Catwoman)
5. EGP|WonderChef (Green Lantern, Nightwing)
7. EGP|Solid (Nightwing)
7. P Gorath (Ares)

WNF 2.7 (5/15)
1. ATP|Aris (Deathstroke)
2. EGP|WonderChef (Superman)
3. LUYG|Rip (Superman)
4. RDK|Godspeed (Black Adam)
5. EGP|Krayzie (Cyborg)
5. True!! (Aquaman)
7. RDK|Tyrant (Superman)
7. B:L (Black Adam)

ECT 5 (5/17-19)
1. EMP|Tom Brady (Aquaman)
2. EMP|REO (Batman, Nightwing, Black Adam)
3. AGE|NYChrisG (Green Arrow, Black Adam, Batman)
4. EMP|CD Jr. (Superman)
5. EMP|DragonGod (Black Adam)
5. KN|Crazy Dominican (Doomsday)
7. VSM|Jailhouse (Green Lantern, Cyborg)
7. BIFU|Insaynne (Aquaman)

And you won your Team CoCo Exhibition with Deathstroke (but I won't count that).

You can argue whatever you want, say that even if those tournaments had proven top 8 placers at majors, it were nothing but locals. Although, you said "never in top 8" without specifying.

What is worth of notice, is that both Superman and Black Adam have been in all tournaments top 8s.
Look at the ammount of said characters at WNF 2.4, 2.5 and 2.7, and not only that, "normalized" Black Adams and Supermans have been dominating in tournaments (majors, locals and regionals). Also, note that unlike the Scorpions at CEO, most of the Black Adam and Superman players didn't have to switch characters after every loss (see DEG, CDjr and PL).
MWC had 4 Black Adams in top 8, GUTS II had 2 Black Adams in top 3 (a post-patch Deathstroke tied for 7th) and was won by Superman.

Do we need to ban them two? Why not? Because it's DC and therefore it's "fine"?
Because they don't "break" the game? What's breaking the game? Having to hold forward (or down) to block in a "back to block game" (even if it is not a strictly back to block, but back -high, overhead, mid- and down-mid, low-). Because 23 frames is too fast, even if the average human reaction time is 13 frames and we've seen players from other communities reacting to faster than 20 frames moves in back to block games for years and years. Bro, Third Strike has a 16 to 23 universal overhead. How people react to that?! (didn't know only a meta-human could play those games).

What will you say now? "This is Injustice, not other games" or "I want Injustice to be balanced", is it really balanced?
"Scorpion had to be nerfed, because I lost my low gunshots"
Why don't you accept you were wrong and learn from Slips, Aris and MIT how to play the character?

Side note:

Spoiler

Were you -seriously- trying to prove your point of how "broken" Scorpion was based on the placements of the three time EVO Champ, the so called best MK player of all times and CDjr? Why can't we use Christ Gesus as an evidence of the top tier status of Green Arrow? Not him, why not him? Take ShenChan who got second at SEA .

Spoiler

The "community agreed", did they or just follow? To the people who quit the game in early 2012, Jax is the best character in MK9 because Tom Brady said so...

-Flawed logic is flawed in this community-
inb4 "You play AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQUAMAAAAAAAAAAAAN"

 

[LEGEND]

I find this disingenuous because there was no uproar over other DLC characters.

well this was my reasoning at least.

i never liked the idea of rushed DLC being legal, but none of the DLC was as obviously problematic as scorpion was. So he got the biggest uproar

Plus, he was literally ruining online play for Thousands upon thousands of people, so he definitely was getting attention from that end

 

[MortySeinfeld]

LET'S GET HYPE. GET HYPE FOR REPACKAGING.

i don't see your point other than some frivolous ignoratio elenchi

You're trying to make a point that NRS' patching system is flawed.

I am simply trying to point out that we have seen several revision of SF4/MvC3/etc. Hence, their games are technically being PATCHED.

I actually like how NRS does their patching and makes improvements in their games. Who's to say that Scorpion wont be buffed at some point in the future after Evo?

 

[RWDY Nori]

Your examples are not based on reality though. "it's obvious his teleport wasn't meant to be a fast crossup" is literally you talking out of your ass. That is your reality, that is you deciding how the game "should" be played.

I disagree about it being in Scorpion's favor.

It's not talking out of my ass at all, I thought it was obvious for several reasons (which you are pretending not to know, not sure why):

-No block button. I'm being attacked and can block in 1 direction. My only option is hold down. This neutralizes anything I want to do. Oh, and he can use the move in the air if I jump as well. With Raiden in MK9, I can tap block and I also know it wasn't an attack, it was merely a movement move which is 100% ok. I am ok w/cheap, I am not ok w/broken

-No other teleport attacks you from behind

-You can't sit there and really duck either cause he has one of the best jumping attacks in the game. If you twitch, you eat teleport from the air. If he couldn't teleport in the air, I don't think anybody would be having this conversation but he can, so it's foolishness

-He also has hellfire which people claim they see on reaction and jump. LOL Mmmkay

-Has no major weakness like the rest of the cast does

These are the same examples that you already knew about, so again, I'm not talking out of my ass, not even close. He's the ONLY char who can do this and it's not like it's trait activated only. If it was, I and most of the community would not have such an issue w/this. He can control 100% of the screen during the entire match and never need to truly use trait or even meter. Who else can do this?

 

[16 Bit]

I didn't say I thought he was broken, I said he was knee jerked patched and he shouldn't have. And Justin Wong was the one who pushed for the nerf in the first place, so I don't understand the "most pros were confused".

GGA 16 Bit I can't have respect for Slips and disagree w/his training partner? I have respect for my wife so I can't disagree w/her either? Come on bro. And no, the designers of the game clearly did not see the problem before, and clearly his teleport wasn't meant to be mid. I love NRS, I defend them to death, feel free to read my posts in april and may. I still love them to death, my ONLY complaint is scorpion, that's it.

And we both know this game has poor footsies anyway, so that's not a great argument saying he has poor footsies. You don't have to "care" for the argument that Scorpion players will level up, but it is a straight up fact that they will. Unless you can block most of the 50/50s, you are kind of fucked. Of course we will level up over time, just keep in mind he is already a problem now and will continue to be unless he's actually fixed. I bought Scorpion, I want to see him used in tournaments just not his current version

The designers knew how his teleport would work. They knew the teleport would cross up. It does not break the rules of the game. It is the rule of the game.

By your own admission I am playing a great Scorpion player. My experience is that fighting Scorpion gets easier. I have no reason to believe Slips would have suddenly started bodying me. He is already great at the KF mu. It was me who was leveling up. I then traveled to another region and played other Scorpion players. I did fine against them too. I simply have no reason to assume that it's a "straight up fact" that Scorpion players would level up and body everyone. That is not what was happening and I am saying that based on real world experience. You are just saying it's a straight up fact with no basis.

 

[Garr123]

The idea that it was bad that you had to play differently against Scorpion is weird.

Half the cast of this game are weird samey toolbox characters that feel very similar in terms of what your gameplan should be. I think this is a serious issue with the game, but that's just my opinion.

Contrast this to SF4 where playing against a good Honda feels worlds different than playing against a good Ken. A lot matchups in that game force you to change your playstyle considerably because the cast is more distinct and diverse in their strengths and designs. This isn't a bad thing.

I imagine some of you guys would go into conniptions against a good Seth as he also has a teleport and a ton of dirt that "BREAKS DA RULES OF DA GAME".

Know Your Facts 3.0
Here we go again.

This post is so legit, and I hope it doesn't quit.

You're trying to make a point that NRS' patching system is flawed.

I am simply trying to point out that we have seen several revision of SF4/MvC3/etc. Hence, their games are technically being PATCHED.

I actually like how NRS does their patching and makes improvements in their games. Who's to say that Scorpion wont be buffed at some point in the future after Evo?

Get hype for constant patching and never developing a proper meta. Worked GREAT for MK9.

 

[snort]

Know Your Facts 3.0
Here we go again.
*NOTE: Deathstroke was patched on May 20th*

Toggle, PLS.

Spoiler

WNF Special Injustice Tournament (4/17)
1. EGP|Tyrant (Superman, Solomon Grundy)
2. EGP|Wonderchef (Aquaman, Wonder Woman)
3. EG|Justin Wong (Batman)
4. EG|Floe (Green Lantern)
5. EGP|Awesomo (Black Adam)
5. EGP|Red Reaper (Doomsday)
7. Aris (Deathstroke)
7. ROMAN (Doomsday)

WNF 2.4 (4/24)
1. ATP|Aris (Deathstroke)
2. EGP|Tyrant (Superman)
3. EGP|Awesomo (Black Adam)
4. EGP|Krayzie (Catwoman)
5. EGP|P Board Player (Superman)
5. Sonic Boom Brad (Black Adam)
7. EGP|Legend (Flash)
7. LUYG|Rip (Superman)

WNF 2.5 (5/1)
1. EGP|P Board Player 88 (Superman)
2. ATP|Aris (Deathstroke)
3. RDK|Godspeed (Black Adam)
4. LUYG|RIP (Superman)
5. RDK|Awesomo (Ares)
5. Rickstah (Aquaman)
7. EGP|Krazie (Black Adam)
7. P Gorath (Ares)

NLBC #15 (5/1)
1. AGE|Chris G (Green Arrow/Nightwing)
2. TS| Sabin (Green Lantern)
3. EMP| DragonGod (Black Adam)
4. More4YourBuck (Deathstroke)
5. VSM| Jailhouse (Cyborg)
5. FNEX|EMP| MadTitan (Superman/Doomsday)
7. TS| NerdJosh (Wonder Woman)
7. TS| Marvisto (Ares)

WNF 2.6 (5/8)
1. EGP|Tyrant (Superman)
2. RDK|Godspeed (Black Adam)
3. ATP|Aris (Deathstroke)
4. Xblades (Nightwing)
5. EGP|Krazie (Catwoman)
5. EGP|WonderChef (Green Lantern, Nightwing)
7. EGP|Solid (Nightwing)
7. P Gorath (Ares)

WNF 2.7 (5/15)
1. ATP|Aris (Deathstroke)
2. EGP|WonderChef (Superman)
3. LUYG|Rip (Superman)
4. RDK|Godspeed (Black Adam)
5. EGP|Krayzie (Cyborg)
5. True!! (Aquaman)
7. RDK|Tyrant (Superman)
7. B:L (Black Adam)

ECT 5 (5/17-19)
1. EMP|Tom Brady (Aquaman)
2. EMP|REO (Batman, Nightwing, Black Adam)
3. AGE|NYChrisG (Green Arrow, Black Adam, Batman)
4. EMP|CD Jr. (Superman)
5. EMP|DragonGod (Black Adam)
5. KN|Crazy Dominican (Doomsday)
7. VSM|Jailhouse (Green Lantern, Cyborg)
7. BIFU|Insaynne (Aquaman)

And you won your Team CoCo Exhibition with Deathstroke (but I won't count that).

You can argue whatever you want, say that even if those tournaments had proven top 8 placers at majors, it were nothing but locals. Although, you said "never in top 8" without specifying.

What is worth of notice, is that both Superman and Black Adam have been in all tournaments top 8s.
Look at the ammount of said characters at WNF 2.4, 2.5 and 2.7, and not only that, "normalized" Black Adams and Supermans have been dominating in tournaments (majors, locals and regionals). Also, note that unlike the Scorpions at CEO, most of the Black Adam and Superman players didn't have to switch characters after every loss (see DEG, CDjr and PL).
MWC had 4 Black Adams in top 8, GUTS had 2 Black Adams in top 3 (and a post-patch Deathstroke tied for 7th) and was won by Superman.

Do we need to ban them two? Why not? Because it's DC and therefore it's "fine"?
Because they don't "break" the game? What's breaking the game? Having to hold forward (or down) to block in a "back to block game" (even if it is not a strictly back to block, but back -high, overhead, mid- and down-mid, low-). Because 23 frames is too fast, even if the average human reaction time is 13 frames and we've seen players from other communities reacting to faster than 20 frames moves in back to block games for years and years. Bro, Third Strike has a 16 to 23 universal overhead. How people react to that?! (didn't know only a meta-human could play those games).

What will you say now? "This is Injustice, not other games" or "I want Injustice to be balanced", is it really balanced?
"Scorpion had to be nerfed, because I lost my low gunshots"
Why don't you accept you were wrong and learn from Slips, Aris and MIT how to play the character?

Side note:

Spoiler

Were you -seriously- trying to prove your point of how "broken" Scorpion was based on the placements of the three time EVO Champ, the so called best MK player of all times and CDjr? Why can't we use Christ Gesus as an evidence of the top tier status of Green Arrow? Not him, why not him? Take ShenChan who got second at SEA.

The "community agreed", did they or just follow? To the people who quit the game in early 2012, Jax is the best character in MK9 because Tom Brady said so...

-Flawed logic is flawed in this community-
inb4 "You play AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQUAMAAAAAAAAAAAAN"

You cant take what he says serious. He's hard headed and will never admit he was wrong. He should apologize to the community for crying so damn much.

 

[STRYKIE]

we WERE talking about TEMPORARILY banning a DLC character that was only THREE WEEKS OLD for the BIGGEST TOURNAMENT THIS GAME WILL EVER SEE

words capitalized so you don't keep glossing over shit
-
Pre Patch Scorpion was a very good character that happened to mop up roughly half the cast or more (arguably), and we are expected to A) learn the MU in this short time, when he is also so much more powerful online so that form of training is not as effect (side point) and B) accept that he may possible only be a "good" character and not "broken" within such a short time of him being playable and him having not nearly as much testing done to him as the main roster had, There was simply not enough time or concrete information (which happens to be the strongest/most popular argument for both sides of this)

Right, and what if a Batgirl wins EVO, do we insist she breaks the rules of the game, mops up half the cast and/or nobody had enough time to learn the matchup? The latter will not surprise me in the slightest, for the record, especially if it now happens in the light of all this.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Right, and what if a Batgirl wins EVO, do we insist she breaks the rules of the game, mops up half the cast and/or nobody had enough time to learn the matchup? The latter will not surprise me in the slightest, for the record, especially if it now happens in the light of all this.

Batgirl is hella good. I mean it is scary.

If you want to ban DLC then ban all the DLC. Do not pick and choose.

 

[16 Bit]

It's not talking out of my ass at all, I thought it was obvious for several reasons (which you are pretending not to know, not sure why):

-No block button. I'm being attacked and can block in 1 direction. My only option is hold down. This neutralizes anything I want to do. Oh, and he can use the move in the air if I jump as well. With Raiden in MK9, I can tap block and I also know it wasn't an attack, it was merely a movement move which is 100% ok. I am ok w/cheap, I am not ok w/broken

-No other teleport attacks you from behind

-You can't sit there and really duck either cause he has one of the best jumping attacks in the game. If you twitch, you eat teleport from the air. If he couldn't teleport in the air, I don't think anybody would be having this conversation but he can, so it's foolishness

-He also has hellfire which people claim they see on reaction and jump. LOL Mmmkay

-Has no major weakness like the rest of the cast does

These are the same examples that you already knew about, so again, I'm not talking out of my ass, not even close. He's the ONLY char who can do this and it's not like it's trait activated only. If it was, I and most of the community would not have such an issue w/this. He can control 100% of the screen during the entire match and never need to truly use trait or even meter. Who else can do this?

If he's doing the normal teleport you get a full combo punish for holding down. If he's doing MB he has wasted a bar and you block it. He can't do it forever. On a read you can blow it up by neutral jumping. He cannot just spam teleport.

You can anti-air his jump attacks. It's hard but doable.

I do not think you can react to hellfire. I have personally never said that. I blow it up with jumping or special moves.

We've gone over this and we've seen it in action at CEO. It won't be good enough for you. You will say it's overwhelming and that no one can guess right enough. It's just not fun. Or whatever. Well that isn't a compelling case to me. I am playing this MU and I do fine.

 

[RWDY Nori]

I'm actually ok w/banning all the DLC until more time has passed to be honest. Game came out in april, certainly not enough time to fully 100% test all chars, considering NRS obviously doesn't spend as much time w/these chars as they do the main cast

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Right, and what if a Batgirl wins EVO, do we insist she breaks the rules of the game, mops up half the cast and/or nobody had enough time to learn the matchup? The latter will not surprise me in the slightest, for the record, especially if it now happens in the light of all this.

12 gauge is gonna be displeased with you and your minimal understanding.

 

[Garr123]

Seriously, having a block button made a some of you lazy. Good golly.

 

[annoyedw/ppl]

It's not easy to tell. How is it easy? A poll? Do we do official pools for each character? You cannot just say "it's common sense", "it just feels like he doesn't belong" and expect me to go along with it.

I personally have more fun fighting Scorpion than Black Adam. I find Hawkgirl more annoying too. No one else can fly. It breaks the rules of the game. I want her banned. It just feels like I'm not playing the way it's meant to be played. You find this ridiculous because there isn't a mob saying it.

I find this disingenuous because there was no uproar over other DLC characters.


Let's be serious here. The argument is not "this character is a giant mystery" it's he breaks the rules of the game, he mops up half the cast, ect.

which is why i said all dlc should follow this very common sense rule of 1 month ban. especially being released within a month of EVO, come on...

you can sit here and name every character you want. in all those cases you can hold back to block, anti-air when they get in range. yes there are 50-50s you can get stuck in, but the character has to land a hit or get right in your face first. you have ways of keeping them away. not with scorpion before. +9 mb teleport? i mean how in gods name could you possibly justify that's existence at any point in development?

when you are facing scorpion at neutral ground, you have to account for so many more things all because of the teleport. no other character forces you to choose between 5 different things at neutral ground. will he unblockable inferno me? i better move and hope he does that or else im getting hit. i could backdash but he could either spear me or telport, mb either and now force me into the vortex. he could jump 3 or 1 me, i better block high, did he cancel to teleport? how high level a player do you have to be to react to that? (this comes back to smart business practices) i blocked the jump in attack, i bet he is gonna cancel to teleport, i better press forward. oh wait he instead did nothing and just hit me with whatever the hell he wanted to.

dont confuse this with saying there is no way to fight back. but i am honestly trying to think of a character in the game that forces you to think about so many things in the neutral position.

 

[STRYKIE]

12 gauge is gonna be displeased with you and your minimal understanding.

I'd like to think he'll find more conjecture in your sense of irony being equivalent to the difference (or lack thereof according to 12 gauge) of a fatality and an X-ray.

 

[RWDY Nori]

GGA 16 Bit I never said you specifically said you can react to it. I said "people claim" not "you said". This overall debate is the community point of view, not just my own personal views. Again, you do great in the matchup and that's awesome. I have always liked you as a player going as far back as MK9 repping Kitana. You're hype as fuck to watch, but like everybody on this planet, not every person agrees on every subject. Me and you disagree on how scorpion should be handled, simple as that. I personally feel none of the DLC should have been allowed in tourneys yet

 

[16 Bit]

which is why i said all dlc should follow this very common sense rule of 1 month ban. especially being released within a month of EVO, come on...

you can sit here and name every character you want. in all those cases you can hold back to block, anti-air when they get in range. yes there are 50-50s you can get stuck in, but the character has to land a hit or get right in your face first. you have ways of keeping them away. not with scorpion before. +9 mb teleport? i mean how in gods name could you possibly justify that's existence at any point in development?

when you are facing scorpion at neutral ground, you have to account for so many more things all because of the teleport. no other character forces you to choose between 5 different things at neutral ground. will he unblockable inferno me? i better move and hope he does that or else im getting hit. i could backdash but he could either spear me or telport, mb either and now force me into the vortex. he could jump 3 or 1 me, i better block high, did he cancel to teleport? how high level a player do you have to be to react to that? (this comes back to smart business practices) i blocked the jump in attack, i bet he is gonna cancel to teleport, i better press forward. oh wait he instead did nothing and just hit me with whatever the hell he wanted to.

dont confuse this with saying there is no way to fight back. but i am honestly trying to think of a character in the game that forces you to think about so many things in the neutral position.

After a blocked jump in I never hold forward. I hold down.

 

[LEGEND]

Right, and what if a Batgirl wins EVO, do we insist she breaks the rules of the game, mops up half the cast and/or nobody had enough time to learn the matchup? The latter will not surprise me in the slightest, for the record, especially if it now happens in the light of all this.

i would have all DLC banned if it were my choice, but scorpion (imo) was deserving enough and the topic was much more accepted

i think Batgirl is cheap too, as well as mopping up alot of zoners and stopping alot of characters from playing their game. Really all scorpion talking points could be applied to her. Only differences are not as many people were having to deal with her (since hardly anyone uses her, for some reason) and she came out before Scorp.

Lobo is Lobo, he has some dirt but we all know he isn't a problem and he doesn't take any amount of time to learn the MU, Plus he doesn't completely invalidate anyone's main which i think is possibly the biggest issue with Scop and to a lesser extent, Batgirl

 

[LEGEND]

with all of this DLC talk, lets be thankful ZOD isn't legal lol

 

[annoyedw/ppl]

After a blocked jump in I never hold forward. I hold down.

throw? i mean people constantly just pretend throw doesnt matter. but you are put right back where scorpion wants you after a throw. you want to be in his face. he also has overhead starter does he not? yes you can react to these things at a high level, but thats such a small window to be looking at things through, open the blinds.

also, how many times do you see people miss the punish on teleport when they make it whif by blocking low? not to mention some characters cant do their best punishes unless they block it standing

 

[M2Dave]

Scorpion is yesterday's news.

Let us concentrate on The Flash. I would like to know which fool(s) requested The Flash to be buffed about 85 times. Deathstroke loses to The Flash 2:8 now.

Also, why does Killer Frost punish my low gunshots full screen away? Iceberg needs more start up frames. As does Raven's soul crush. These moves are unbalanced.

 

[RWDY Nori]

We got way off point, I just wish the original podcast maybe gave more suggestions on how to fix him, instead of making a mass panic how they did. Some suggestions that I think can work

-Have the teleport appear in 1 direction only, maybe overhead like batgirls does
-Only can use teleport during trait
-No teleporting in the air

 

[The Borax Kid]

What I don't understand about this forum (and this thread) is why it's cool & funny for some players to have multiple accounts (explicitly against the rules) so they can troll for their amusement, yet it gets guys like Derp banned.

Double standard much?

 

[Garr123]

how high level a player do you have to be to react to that? (this comes back to smart business practices)

Any competitive game that balances for pubs is going to die on the vine. Dota is one of the most popular games in the world and literally ignores 99.9% of its massive, vocal community in regards to balance, and half the time ignores the pro scene because the devs are confident enough to know whats best for the game.

But I supposed Valve and Icefrog use dumb business practices that somehow give them a license to basically print money at this point.

Capcom games mostly balance based on the highest level play and are more popular than NRS games due to the effect that has on the meta. But I supposed those are also dumb business practices.