Match-up Discussion Bane Matchup Discussion

[Doombawkz]

I don't. At least, not with solid numbers.

I could do an "easy - extreme difficulty" chart though

 

[Tiger Wong]

*sigh*

vs Batgirl, that damn cartwheel fucks my life up. Double hits on the cartwheel means she can push through most Venom attacks. It's impossible to jump in/over/away from as well. And did I mention it jumps over all lows? This means our oki bully game is pretty much fucked. I try to backdash but because of the delay after the dash, even though she does a vulnerable hop when the cartwheel whiffs, there's nothing we can do to punish it. Blocking it is the only thing that works as you can punish either attack after the cartwheel with d1 and you can punish the spinning mid with a 113. Venom upper can cut through the cartwheel on perfect timing. But more often than not, you're not gonna cut through that damn thing.

I've been looking for an answer to this matchuo but I keep coming back to the cartwheel and how it fucks my life over. What do you guys do vs it?

 

[Doombawkz]

Wait it out, as legion would say. Most of her stuff is punishable and we can get more by being patient. Much like night wing, we can't go ham like we want to, we have to take it easy and work them down part by part

 

[Jagernaut]

*sigh*

vs Batgirl, that damn cartwheel fucks my life up. Double hits on the cartwheel means she can push through most Venom attacks. It's impossible to jump in/over/away from as well. And did I mention it jumps over all lows? This means our oki bully game is pretty much fucked. I try to backdash but because of the delay after the dash, even though she does a vulnerable hop when the cartwheel whiffs, there's nothing we can do to punish it. Blocking it is the only thing that works as you can punish either attack after the cartwheel with d1 and you can punish the spinning mid with a 113. Venom upper can cut through the cartwheel on perfect timing. But more often than not, you're not gonna cut through that damn thing.

I've been looking for an answer to this matchuo but I keep coming back to the cartwheel and how it fucks my life over. What do you guys do vs it?

I thought forsure I was timing Venom DP wrong, but I guess it's not just me then.. Bait it and throw in a B3/F3? Just an idea since Banes body/hitbox is huge.

 

[chief713]

Ran a set with a Harley. I have a friend who plays the character so I know the matchup pretty well. Still, I made some mistakes. Got another set coming soon; I win a lot less

 

[chief713]

Here's my other set. Didn't play well in this one; missed a lotta d1 xx DP's and VU's. First 2 matches are bad, the third I had some good defense against Joker but blew it at the end after that last combo. Day 1 Deathstroke doesn't work anymore, and I finally downloaded the Batman, but he was done.

 

[RYX]

My personal MU chart as of right now.

Aquaman 5-5 possible 4-6
Ares 5-5 possible 6-4
Batgirl 4-6
Batman 1-9
Black Adam 3-7 possible 2-8 Qwark28
Catwoman 5-5 possible 6-4 RunwayMafia
Cyborg 5-5 Relaxedstate
Deathstroke 3-7 karaokelove
Doomsday 5-5
Flash 5-5
Green Arrow 5-5
Green Lantern
Grundy 5-5 possible 4-6
Harley 4-6
Hawkgirl 4-6 possible 3-7 RunwayMafia
Joker 3-7
Killer Frost 3-7
Lex Luthor 3-7
Lobo 5-5
Nightwing 2-8
Raven 5-5
Scorpion 4-6
Shazam 4-6
Sinestro 2-8 AK Pig Of The Hut
Superman 2-8
Wonder Woman 3-7

PND_Mustard
Doombawkz
iMLGzus
chief713

I would love to be proven wrong. This character from a glance seems genuinely bad. Ask me for any MU and I'll happily explain.

 

[Qwark28]

7 3 ba

 

[Qwark28]

My personal MU chart as of right now.

Aquaman 5-5 possible 4-6
Ares 5-5 possible 6-4
Batgirl 4-6
Batman 1-9
Black Adam 3-7 possible 2-8 Qwark28
Catwoman 5-5 possible 6-4 RunwayMafia
Cyborg 5-5 Relaxedstate
Deathstroke 3-7 karaokelove
Doomsday 5-5
Flash 5-5
Green Arrow 5-5
Green Lantern
Grundy 5-5 possible 4-6
Harley 4-6
Hawkgirl 4-6 possible 3-7 RunwayMafia
Joker 3-7
Killer Frost 3-7
Lex Luthor 3-7
Lobo 5-5
Nightwing 2-8
Raven 5-5
Scorpion 4-6
Shazam 4-6
Sinestro 2-8 AK Pig Of The Hut
Superman 2-8
Wonder Woman 3-7

PND_Mustard
Doombawkz
iMLGzus
chief713

I would love to be proven wrong. This character from a glance seems genuinely bad. Ask me for any MU and I'll happily explain.

joker is even imo
he loses to GA, flash and doomsday

 

[RYX]

joker is even imo
he loses to GA, flash and doomsday

What do you do in the Joker MU? He can parry after guns and MB cans shut down armored approach. Parry is still an obnoxious tool in the right hands. But Bane does pretty good up close.

I haven't lost to any Flash players, explain?

 

[Qwark28]

What do you do in the Joker MU? He can parry after guns and MB cans shut down armored approach. Parry is still an obnoxious tool in the right hands. But Bane does pretty good up close.

I haven't lost to any Flash players, explain?

You shouldn't be charging blindly in any matchup, be glad that jokers way of dealing with charge is simply parrying it instead of full combo punishing, flash in particular gets 60% everytime you whiff a charge.

MB cans only work when you try to move, even then, he only gets 1 gunshot for 1 bar. gun hits high and you can dash after it whiffs. you can jump on reaction to the low one from any range

bane ignores wakeups and has tons of setups and mixups when he knocks someone down, anyone whose got no command grab evading mixups is in trouble.

i play both characters on a good lvl

 

[Doombawkz]

My personal MU chart as of right now.

Aquaman 5-5 possible 4-6
Ares 5-5 possible 6-4
Batgirl 4-6
Batman 1-9
Black Adam 3-7 possible 2-8 Qwark28
Catwoman 5-5 possible 6-4 RunwayMafia
Cyborg 5-5 Relaxedstate
Deathstroke 3-7 karaokelove
Doomsday 5-5
Flash 5-5
Green Arrow 5-5
Green Lantern
Grundy 5-5 possible 4-6
Harley 4-6
Hawkgirl 4-6 possible 3-7 RunwayMafia
Joker 3-7
Killer Frost 3-7
Lex Luthor 3-7
Lobo 5-5
Nightwing 2-8
Raven 5-5
Scorpion 4-6
Shazam 4-6
Sinestro 2-8 AK Pig Of The Hut
Superman 2-8
Wonder Woman 3-7

PND_Mustard
Doombawkz
iMLGzus
chief713

I would love to be proven wrong. This character from a glance seems genuinely bad. Ask me for any MU and I'll happily explain.

Leave your card at the door.

 

[RYX]

Leave your card at the door.

Learn to connect and I'll body you.

 

[RunwayMafia]

My personal MU chart as of right now.

Aquaman 5-5 possible 4-6
Ares 5-5 possible 6-4
Batgirl 4-6
Batman 1-9
Black Adam 3-7 possible 2-8 Qwark28
Catwoman 5-5 possible 6-4 RunwayMafia
Cyborg 5-5 Relaxedstate
Deathstroke 3-7 karaokelove
Doomsday 5-5
Flash 5-5
Green Arrow 5-5
Green Lantern
Grundy 5-5 possible 4-6
Harley 4-6
Hawkgirl 4-6 possible 3-7 RunwayMafia
Joker 3-7
Killer Frost 3-7
Lex Luthor 3-7
Lobo 5-5
Nightwing 2-8
Raven 5-5
Scorpion 4-6
Shazam 4-6
Sinestro 2-8 AK Pig Of The Hut
Superman 2-8
Wonder Woman 3-7

PND_Mustard
Doombawkz
iMLGzus
chief713

I would love to be proven wrong. This character from a glance seems genuinely bad. Ask me for any MU and I'll happily explain.

Yes, regards to HG, I agree. She destroys him

 

[LEGI0N47]

RYX

No GL number? Curious on your take. I'd say easily 6-4, possibly one level worse.

Yes Batman MU is horrible, but I don't know if it's 1-9 horrible when IMO BA and NW are far worse to deal with, but Bats is still pretty bad.

Thought you said post patch that Deathstroke was 5-5. I never thought it was but what changed your mind?

Am also not seeing the Joker number. Have yet to see anyone parry strings, not that they're not out there, sure they are. Wakeups with Venom beat most teeth set ups and his zoning is meh. Knock him down and he's pretty hosed.

Would also like a Lex explanation. Not saing Bane wins but have never seen it that bad.

 

[RYX]

RYX

No GL number? Curious on your take. I'd say easily 6-4, possibly one level worse.

Yes Batman MU is horrible, but I don't know if it's 1-9 horrible when IMO BA and NW are far worse to deal with, but Bats is still pretty bad.

Thought you said post patch that Deathstroke was 5-5. I never thought it was but what changed your mind?

Am also not seeing the Joker number. Have yet to see anyone parry strings, not that they're not out there, sure they are. Wakeups with Venom beat most teeth set ups and his zoning is meh. Knock him down and he's pretty hosed.

Would also like a Lex explanation. Not saing Bane wins but have never seen it that bad.

I have GL as a hard 6-4. He's a bitch to get in on but you have the luck of being able to ignore trait pressure completely.

Batman's trait punishes a blocked anything that isn't less than -3 on block. He's faster, can zone, he can rush you down, and he can parry your shit. He matches you with damage and builds meter quickly. Being able to full combo punish a blocked virtually anything though....

I was wrong. DS will rape you on every knockdown.

I'm wrong about Joker, it's not 7-3.

Lex traits and turtle absolutely free. A runaway Luthor is a nightmare.

 

[LEGI0N47]

I have GL as a hard 6-4. He's a bitch to get in on but you have the luck of being able to ignore trait pressure completely.

Batman's trait punishes a blocked anything that isn't less than -3 on block. He's faster, can zone, he can rush you down, and he can parry your shit. He matches you with damage and builds meter quickly. Being able to full combo punish a blocked virtually anything though....

I was wrong. DS will rape you on every knockdown.

I'm wrong about Joker, it's not 7-3.

Lex traits and turtle absolutely free. A runaway Luthor is a nightmare.

I can't really argue the Batman points. There are a few strings/set ups we have that he can't really punish unless he has bats, but that's gonna happen

How does DS rape on knockdowns? Haven't experienced that personally.

Yeah I can see the Lex Turtle salf fest now. But almost anyone decent tries to Turtle Bane.

 

[RYX]

I can't really argue the Batman points. There are a few strings/set ups we have that he can't really punish unless he has bats, but that's gonna happen

How does DS rape on knockdowns? Haven't experienced that personally.

Yeah I can see the Lex Turtle salf fest now. But almost anyone decent tries to Turtle Bane.

Jump back 3 beats every wake up you have. Body Press and DP full combo punish into another guess if he vortexes or jumps back, or straight up armors your shit with f.3.

 

[chief713]

From my experience, Bane does well against Harley. At first I was losing a lot because I didn't know how to deal with Tantrum stance. It seems really good with the startup invulnerability and different enders, but there's no mixup in it and it's slow as hell. You can crouch block the whole thing. Also, the cartwheel is the only ender that's safe. The low ender can be punished with 223 (maybe the only use for that combo lol) and the gunshot ender can be punished with b23.

On wakeup, it gets stuffed completely by d1 xx double punch, which actually stuffs all of her wakeups. Literally. She can't do anything about meaty d1 xx double punch w/ venom on wakeup except block or super. She can maybe get away with a jump away or a dash if you time it wrong, but there's nothing she can do offensively.

Other than that, just the usual block and dash through projectiles. And with Harley, her normal gunshots hit high and they move her closer to you so she can't really spam it. She has to use Pop Pop, which is easily punished with venom charge. Keep in mind that she can cancel the recovery for a bar which can make it a real pain to approach, but you just have to be patient; all it takes it one charge or well timed jump.

 

[D_Matt_Ma]

It's funny... Bane looks like the worst character in the game based on RYX chart. And yet almost everyone agrees he's not the worst character in the game. It makes me curious what your Match-up charts are for those characters that are worse than Bane.

 

[RYX]

It's funny... Bane looks like the worst character in the game based on RYX chart. And yet almost everyone agrees he's not the worst character in the game. It makes me curious what your Match-up charts are for those characters that are worse than Bane.

I think he is, to be honest. Joker and Lobo just seem like they do better.

 

[D_Matt_Ma]

Then if NRS doesn't patch him by July 2, we're getting mopped at Evo? I guess I can hope you're wrong.

 

[RYX]

Then if NRS doesn't patch him by July 2, we're getting mopped at Evo? I guess I can hope you're wrong.

Trust me.

I hope I'm wrong. But I think at the highest level some match ups are nightmarish.

 

[Doombawkz]

Some are, but I can say only half the chart is fully accurate. I feel bats is a 3-7 or even a hard 4-6, but that's just me.

 

[LEGI0N47]

I think a lot of us don't see the numbers as being this bad. The main reason is because so many players try to rush Bane down or go punch for punch with him reguardless of the tools they have because they want to do their combos. Which is actually very preferable for the Bane player in most cases. IMO the most effective way to stop Bane is to turtle and or play lame as fuck. Not hard when most have a zoning option or 2, even easier with air based zoning. That makes it very hard forcing him to work far more than the opponent, opening him to mistakes, as well as waste resources (trait) just to close the gap quite often. At the end of the day Bane will always have to put in far more work. It's very possible to smoke people as him, you just have to get into postion first and keep it. Easy right lol.