TYM's Hot Topic of the Week: Do we ban Scorpion from tournament play?

[UsedForGlue]

When your finished taking the moral high ground on the subject, and when the game becomes dead very quickly and a laughing stock, then you can celebrate the fact that you stood by your decision to keep scorpion playable.

And as for everyone saying ''why only now, when we have sat through 2 years of bullshit'', that question/statement should answer itself, as yes we have put up with bullshit for 2-3 years of MK, a game we loved, and we should be sick of it by now, but this time we have a chance to put our foot down and do something before we come full circle again in injustice, its a chance to save our new game before it gets destroyed.

Also, to pick on a point Dizzy made, about the fact that there is allot more stuff that needs to be seriously considered along with Scorpion, and I agree. So lets do it.

Lets take all the major areas that game suffers from offline, and address them.

We can safely say, the three top matters should be:

1. Scorpion's viability offline
2. Stage selction
3. Rooftop Metropolis

Everything else hot should be considered.

If you don't want to fight for the games viability then let the masses say so, and we won't have to waste our precious time entraining bullshit, then game can die as quick as anyone wants it to.

 

[LionHeart V1]

Killer frost shenanigans.

 

[TakeAChance]

When your finished taking the moral high ground on the subject, and when the game becomes dead very quickly and a laughing stock, then you can celebrate the fact that you stood by your decision to keep scorpion playable.

And as for everyone saying ''why only now, when we have sat through 2 years of bullshit'', that question/statement should answer itself, as yes we have put up with bullshit for 2-3 years of MK, a game we loved, and we should be sick of it by now, but this time we have a chance to put our foot down and do something before we come full circle again in injustice, its a chance to save our new game before it gets destroyed.

Also, to pick on a point Dizzy made, about the fact that there is allot more stuff that needs to be seriously considered along with Scorpion, and I agree. So lets do it.

Lets take all the major areas that game suffers from offline, and address them.

We can safely say, the three top matters should be:

1. Scorpion's viability offline
2. Stage selction
3. Rooftop Metropolis

Everything else hot should be considered.

All three of those are community decisions and not NRS decisions. We currently do not have the unity needed to come together and make those collective decisions. We really should try to obtain that unity.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

However, I'm also not bitching about EVERYTHING fucked up that pops up like a lot of people. No, I don't have an answer. Does not mean I am not looking for one.

So long as the character is allowed, I'm just going to play and learn.

Dude you theory fight w reptile playing no one offline, locals, tourneys, anything and now you're doing the same shit w scorp

Why should we listen to you as a voice of reason to keep him in this game?

You literally dont even play people 15 min from you

 

[Celerity]

Thats the thing though, if Scorpion wins evo (or 5 of the top 8 characters..) i guarantee you this game's community will shrink beyond any repair.

You know what would make the community look even worse? Banning a character that has posted no meaningful results before the biggest tournament of the year.

Wait for results, then evaluate.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

AK Pig Of The Hut -

IMO if normal teleport still hit mid, Scorpion would be far less broken. The fact that down to block isn't the means to punishing teleport anymore gives non-ex teleport a means to be safe. The reason I say this is after watching Reo play on stream, Scorpion conditions you to always feel unsafe even while blocking in his current build, because you have to make 2 right reads - first that he is going to teleport, and then that he is also not going to EX teleport. Even if he completely whiffs the normal teleport, you as a human being need to react first to him teleporting and THEN to the fact that it wasn't an EX teleport.

Youre absolutely right

 

[zaf]

still the fact that people cant even stand block it correctly what makes you think they can use an armored move instead?

It has armor that's why. It covers you

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

I did ok against reo with batgirl yesterday in a very fun matchup that reo and I both agree is 5-5.

In any case, Ban him. Unless we want to make it so any scorpion mirrors in top 8 at tournaments are to be played exclusively with blindfolds on.

Every single person that was at the charity stream last night wants scorpion banned besides revolver. That's the truth

Is besides the point if the character is beatable, his play style is an insult to the core mechanics of the game.

 

[redeyes]

It has armor that's why. It covers you

youre not getting my point if people cant react fast enough to change block direction you think they can armor & backdash?

 

[UsedForGlue]

All three of those are community decisions and not NRS decisions. We currently do not have the unity needed to come together and make those collective decisions. We really should try to obtain that unity.

I am not suggesting removing anything from the game, I am asking for offline players to all come to a decision on what should be allowed offline, such as in MK:

No 2nd Round grab glitches that caused kabal and cyrax to remain untouchable.
No Smoke perma-invisibility
No Street stage
Loser gets to pick stage
Rock scissor paper for P1 Advantage.
NO KRATOS.

And before anyone says, ''glitches'', I can quote a few people already in injustice who have said ''If its in the game, il use it''.

We did this for MK, what is the difference if we do it for injustice?

 

[Dizz_88]

Scorpion is broken and does not fit in this game!

 

[TakeAChance]

I am not suggesting removing anything from the game, I am asking for offline players to all come to a decision on what should be allowed offline, such as in MK:

No 2nd Round grab glitches that caused kabal and cyrax to remain untouchable.
No Smoke perma-invisibility
No Street stage
Loser gets to pick stage
Rock scissor paper for P1 Advantage.
NO KRATOS.

And before anyone says, ''glitches'', I can quote a few people already in injustice who have said ''If its in the game, il use it''.

We did this for MK, what is the difference if we do it for injustice?

There is none. I am saying that the way we all currently are right now...there isn't enough unity for the community as a whole to make those decisions. In reality we just need someone to stand up and say this is how it's going to be from here on out for the betterment of this game.

I obviously am not going to be able to be that person as I only compete in local offline tournaments. Nonetheless, I am a tournament player.

1. Metropolis Rooftop is banned pending a change in interactable activity.
2. Stage Selection is Random first (what ever stage the p1 icon is on when the stages load up) Loser picks from there on out.
3. Scorpion is banned due to bending the rules of the current injustice engine.

Imo, those would be the three things I personally would address. Unfortunately, I do not have the power to make those a reality.

 

[Zoidberg747]

2 meters for a MB B3.F3 vs 1 Meter for a MB Tele that beats it is not balanced.

What? MB B3/F3 is 1 bar

 

[Troispoint]

You know what would make the community look even worse? Banning a character that has posted no meaningful results before the biggest tournament of the year.

Wait for results, then evaluate.

I don't believe this should strictly be based on results. If a particular character clearly messes with systems that defines this game (interactables, zoning heavy gameplay, hold back to block) then we shouldn't wait for the biggest tournaments to be ruined by it. Now, I don't actually think Scorpion would ruin the Injustice scene, but he does feel out of place in this game.

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

That's really it
I don't care if hel win or not. his playstle does not belong in the game, period

 

[THTB]

Dude you theory fight w reptile playing no one offline, locals, tourneys, anything and now you're doing the same shit w scorp

Why should we listen to you as a voice of reason to keep him in this game?

You literally dont even play people 15 min from you

Excuse me, back when I gave a shit about competing with Reptile, aside from MLG not once did I even place outside of top 8 in each major I played in. The tournaments were even spaced far enough where the game changed significantly. Idk what you are talking about there dude.

The reason you should listen to me...? Um, because I'm actually telling you guys to just play it out, and take some months to learn the character before passing judgement before he's even really made an impact at an American major...? At this point, I'm not even saying anything about how he is as a character. I said I had no answer I could find as of yet, either, I'm still looking. I will continue to look, so long as he is a playable character in tournaments (I will actually be competing, I'm just sorting out home life right now). It has nothing to do with my standings. It has to do with actually putting in effort. He could be too broken, he might be fine. How are we to know? A lot of us have been VERY wrong about shit pertaining to fighting games before. What, you think because people know your name, that shit won't change? Gtfoh with that.

I gave this community a challenge for a reason. Pick up Scorpion, and make him a character who floods top 8s, if you want to convince everyone to ban him. Taking the easy way out and saying BANHAMMER because you can't find anything right now is fucking stupid because what if you're all wrong? I'm not saying you are, I am saying what if?

Btw, it's easy to tell a bunch of you guys don't know shit about characters not fitting the game whatsoever, yet still being legal.

 

[Vogue]

How could scorpion be fixed to still be in line with his character and not ruin the entire game? Make his teleport slower ? He would have to be significantly re-worked it feels like.

 

[aj1701]

Lol don't give me this bs.

Lol, new members.

 

[Zoidberg747]

There has never been a character who has been banned before placing at a major in the states.

I say see what happens at CEO, go from there.

 

[TakeAChance]

THTB

I understand the premise behind what you are saying, I really do. Unfortunately, with the game being this young if Scorpion is THAT broke it is going to turn a lot of people away. What everyone is talking about is nipping a huge problem in the bud. No one in this game fucks up the entire meta like Scorpion does.

 

[THTB]

THTB

I understand the premise behind what you are saying, I really do. Unfortunately, with the game being this young if Scorpion is THAT broke it is going to turn a lot of people away. What everyone is talking about is nipping a huge problem in the bud. No one in this game fucks up the entire meta like Scorpion does.

With how the game currently stands, not even getting rid of Scorpion is going to do shit, because I hear a lot of people calling the game boring and whatnot before Scorpion dropped.

And again, you guys don't know how many characters out there exist that fuck up metagames, but aren't banned. Best example: T4 Jin.

 

[TakeAChance]

With how the game currently stands, not even getting rid of Scorpion is going to do shit, because I hear a lot of people calling the game boring and whatnot before Scorpion dropped.

And again, you guys don't know how many characters out there exist that fuck up metagames, but aren't banned. Best example: T4 Jin.

I don't understand why using one broken character to justify another is a reason to not ban tho. I am saying that with all due respect.

Honestly, in my own personal opinion, the game is currently boring because of the interactables. If we ever got those disabled it would be a LOT more hype. Meter would be much more important too. Alas, that's a different topic and judging by the poll I created a week or so ago, the community still seems to favour them.

 

[CitizenSnips]

The most logical thing to me would be to see how CEO turns out. If the tourny is flooded with Scorpions taking high rankings and whatever then ban him jsut for EVO, stating that there is not enough time to figure the character out before it. Then unban him for the following couple majors and see how things pan out. I agree that since EVO is so big, banning Scorpion early may be a reasonable option. But I really think CEO should dictate how things will go. If CEO is a mess because of Scorpion then there will be lots of pressure to ban him at EVO. The TO can simply state that the character is too new to be considered for such a large tournament.

 

[TakeAChance]

The most logical thing to me would be to see how CEO turns out. If the tourny is flooded with Scorpions taking high rankings and whatever then ban him jsut for EVO, stating that there is not enough time to figure the character out before it. Then unban him for the following couple majors and see how things pan out. I agree that since EVO is so big, banning Scorpion early may be a reasonable option. But I really think CEO should dictate how things will go. If CEO is a mess because of Scorpion then there will be lots of pressure to ban him at EVO. The TO can simply state that the character is too new to be considered for such a large tournament.

But is 2 weeks notice really fair for guys like PL who are devoting time to the character?

 

[THTB]

I don't understand why using one broken character to justify another is a reason to not ban tho. I am saying that with all due respect.

Honestly, in my own personal opinion, the game is currently boring because of the interactables. If we ever got those disabled it would be a LOT more hype. Meter would be much more important too. Alas, that's a different topic and judging by the poll I created a week or so ago, the community still seems to favour them.

My point is you're using an argument that "he fucks up the metagame", when characters like this have existed in the past, but never got banned.