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TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
according to Saitsu and STB TakeAChance it IS possible but you kinda have to walk a bit after the df2 a little bit but it has "odd" not difficult timing.

No idea on the acctual timing since I always use f3 haha but I cant check atm because the ps3 is being used by someone at the moment haha.

http://testyourmight.com/threads/nightwing-spacing-and-footsies-guide.29016/ <--thats a good place to learn the use of different normals and strings

and here for basic combos, read the first post for the major bulk of the combos -----> http://testyourmight.com/threads/im-gonna-enjoy-this-official-nightwing-bnb-thread.28580/unread

I totally forgot to upload the vids for this, but yes it is possible.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
We WERE indirectly nerfed.

The new wakeup windows make the STD setup not near as effective for stuffing wakeups.

HOWEVER. IT works out better lol

IT doesn't stuff them, IT MAKES THEM WHIFF!
 

AssassiN

Warrior
Alright guys. As much as I dislike the new addition of Scorpion as DLC, I know barely anything about him since I hardly played Mortal Kombat. What's the best strategy to take him down? He seems very fast and his teleport seems like a bitch to deal with, but like I said, I haven't played MK much so he could be easier than I think. I feel like Escrima stance is going to be essential to beat him. What do you guys suggest?
Although he has almost the same special moves and strings, the frame data is different and his game is different from MK9.
The combo's can somewhat stay the same, but his mix-up game is totally different.

In MK9 the teleport used to track you in the air as well, now only the normal version tracks you while the MB'ed version stays grounded.
His mix-up game came from a vortex that had lows and overheads, normal spear allowed him to reset you and if you guessed correctly you could punish him.

Now it's more about cross-ups with his teleport, I'm telling you that people will get caught offguard a lot. His teleport is much faster in the air, it doesn't hit overhead so you can block it low, but compared to jump-ins suddenly changing to a teleport will annoy the shit out of you.
He has 2 pokes(old D1 and D3) and 2 sweeps(regular sweep and his old D4). His sweeps are negative on block, while the other one can be canceled(hits mid though).
1 of his poke hits mid while the other one hits low, his low is 0 on block. Forgot about his mid-hitting one.
He has strings that are + on block, but he has a hard time doing something with them mid-screen. You'll be able to dash back before his slow ranged normals will hit.
A grounded mix-up he has is with 2. He can cancel it into U3(hits overhead and can be canceled into teleport or spear for combo), Teleport(MB to combo of it, is a cross-up) and Slide(no MB, punishable on block). So blocking will pretty much be holding back or down, you can block the Teleport and Slide by holding Down.

I don't think you'll be wanting to fight this MU in Staff Stance, Scorpion can burn you all day with his hellfire from what I can theorize in my head. His hellfire is unblockable and can be avoided by jumping or fast advancing moves(like Grayson Kick). Also he can use his Teleport MB to get in since it's +9 on block and you are slow as hell in Staff Stance.

To punish his regular Teleport you just keep blocking, to punish his Teleport MB you NJ. If you guess wrong he can either get a combo or +9 on block. He has a vortex that he can do with Spear MB or Trait, both leave you standing. He has his low and overhead options then, some are unsafe while he can be safe as well.

We'll only know what to do after really fighting a good Scorpion, this is looking like a tough MU from what I can tell.
Again, this is just theory and a little labtime with Scorpion.
 
Good stuff to LulzLou and Evid3nts for making top 8, and Evid3nts for making top 4! Those Dicks were in that ass!
Overall I think I did poorly. I could have done soooo much better. I do appreciate the love from the dick brigade. Lulz was really on point in escrima so I'm in the lab with that this week to prepare for the next tourney.
 

NightwingDayZero

Truth, justice and the American way.
Nightwing bros are the best bros. I'm SO HAPPY our forum gets along and actually discusses good things.

Also the 1000th post is mine :3

Yup, no other character discussion board has the same feel.

As for the b3 after Escrima Fury normal - the most I've been able to do is 2% better than standard f3 bnb. Honestly, I don't see it as a tournament viable option for myself, but if you've got the execution - go for it my dude.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Were regular scatter bombs always +7 on block?

Yep, just nearly impossible to hit.

112 is +26 so no sense tacking them on there...

If you catch them blocking F123 standing you can confirm into scatter bomb for +7 (that goes for any string)

but it complete whiffs on crouch and blows you up.
 

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
Yep, just nearly impossible to hit.

112 is +26 so no sense tacking them on there...

If you catch them blocking F123 standing you can confirm into scatter bomb for +7 (that goes for any string)

but it complete whiffs on crouch and blows you up.
Alright, I wasn't sure either, I almost never used them haha. Thanks though.

Also wasn't 2 in staff -4? It's -3 now.

Also his uppercut in Escrima (d2) is 12 frames now, it was 14.
 

NightwingDayZero

Truth, justice and the American way.
So Nightwing's MB Flip Kick stuffs the living shit out of Scorpion's teleport punch.

And I'm going to need to learn how to just hold down to block instead of down back.
 

Saitsu

Apprentice
Nightwing bros are the best bros. I'm SO HAPPY our forum gets along and actually discusses good things.

Also the 1000th post is mine :3

Let's keep it that way.

I no longer care how the rest of the forum wants to operate. We will stand together and progress this game as far as we can, progress Nightwing as far as he can go, or die trying. Everyone cool with that?
 

SilverKeyMan

Dropping Combos like a MotherFucker!
I no longer care how the rest of the forum wants to operate. We will stand together and progress this game as far as we can, progress Nightwing as far as he can go, or die trying. Everyone cool with that?
Glad to see I'm not the only one getting annoyed with that other thread.
 

Cosmic_Castaway

Flying Grayson
I no longer care how the rest of the forum wants to operate. We will stand together and progress this game as far as we can, progress Nightwing as far as he can go, or die trying. Everyone cool with that?

What'd you say on the last page?

Oh yeah.

LET'S RIDE.
 

Richusco

Noob
I found a good/scrubby combo and mix up. in escrima, j2, db3~MB, f3, j3 db1. Its good cause flip kick combos if j2 lands and if j2 is blocked it can be a cross up with flip kick. if all is blocked you still end up with +1 with a cost of meter. 34%
 

GuamoKun

I Break Hearts, Not Combos
Soooo, did GuamoKun ever release his Nightwing tutorial? I could work on it if he's too busy. :3

Sent from the Batcave
Recording the videos is a pain. I have your Skype right?

I was kinda meh about making most of it since the patches might have changed things but now I'm planning on steam rolling it.

The specific reason why I want to make the video is because I have a lot of songs I wanna use for it haha
 

Cosmic_Castaway

Flying Grayson
Recording the videos is a pain. I have your Skype right?

I was kinda meh about making most of it since the patches might have changed things but now I'm planning on steam rolling it.

The specific reason why I want to make the video is because I have a lot of songs I wanna use for it haha

Yer. endoftheworldsex.

That's good to hear though, looking forward to it. One of those songs should totally be Mass Destruction from Persona 3 btw.

Just saiyan. >.>
 

GuamoKun

I Break Hearts, Not Combos
Yer. endoftheworldsex.

That's good to hear though, looking forward to it. One of those songs should totally be Mass Destruction from Persona 3 btw.

Just saiyan. >.>
I HATE THAT SONG

it does show the massive sex appeal NW Has but I just dislike that song
 

NightwingDayZero

Truth, justice and the American way.
I think that we should maintain a certain theme as Nightwing players to better deviate from the norm. No wub wub or disco disco.


partyeagle sets the bar pretty high. First class all the way. No lie.

 
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