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batmans j2 and other phantom hitboxes.

SubZero

Grand Master
This thread is about Batman.

The deathstroke player base is just so god damn paranoid they now think that anytime someone mutters fix or nerf that their character is going to be trash.
Actually this thread is about all phantom hitboxes, re-read the title.

And why shouldn't we be worried? The FGC is a hive mind, as soon as one person cries nerf, they all do.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Actually this thread is about all phantom hitboxes, re-read the title.

And why shouldn't we be worried? The FGC is a hive mind, as soon as one person cries nerf, they all do.

No, the Deathstroke community is a hive mind. Anytime someone mentions a fucking nerf your heads all fly up like meer cats.

If you guys spent half the time you did worrying about nerfs and actually thought about ways to advance your character I am sure you would see that he is fine.

Your minds have all been warped into a state of complete frailty. Seriously, he has other mixups even outside of his ninja vortex.

Also, the title reads BATMANS J2 and other phantom hitboxes. The majority of the posts are about Batman. One person mentioned Deathstrokes Knee and then like 5 of you have come out to vehemently defend ANY changes to phantom hitboxes because it MAY affect Deathstroke.

GTFO.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
I think people are confused -- no one is saying that Batman's hitbox should be removed entirely or that his crossup should be taken away; just that the hitbox be adjusted slightly to fit more with where his body actually is, like Doomsday's was. Seems reasonable to me.
 

SubZero

Grand Master
No, the Deathstroke community is a hive mind. Anytime someone mentions a fucking nerf your heads all fly up like meer cats.

If you guys spent half the time you did worrying about nerfs and actually thought about ways to advance your character I am sure you would see that he is fine.

Your minds have all been warped into a state of complete frailty. Seriously, he has other mixups even outside of his ninja vortex.

Also, the title reads BATMANS J2 and other phantom hitboxes. The majority of the posts are about Batman. One person mentioned Deathstrokes Knee and then like 5 of you have come out to vehemently defend ANY changes to phantom hitboxes because it MAY affect Deathstroke.

GTFO.

Calm down.

All i'm saying is Deathstroke doesn't need another hit with the nerf stick. I haven't mentioned any other characters hitboxes.
It's easy to criticize when you're using a godly character who seems to be untouchable as far as nerfs go.

You don't like DS and therefor couldn't care less what happens to him, and those of us that do should just "find a way around it" , chances are though, as soon as we do, crybabies like yourself will, inevitably, cry......

PS the meer cat comment made me laugh
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Calm down.

All i'm saying is Deathstroke doesn't need another hit with the nerf stick. I haven't mentioned any other characters hitboxes.
It's easy to criticize when you're using a godly character who seems to be untouchable as far as nerfs go.

You don't like DS and therefor couldn't care less what happens to him, and those of us that do should just "find a way around it" , chances are though, as soon as we do, crybabies like yourself will, inevitably, cry......

PS the meer cat comment made me laugh

I do like Deathstroke. I just think his nerfs were warranted and didn't really effect the character nearly as bad as people think.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Considering a character good because he functions on game bugs and not features is not good.

If batman's j2 (or any other char move )hitbox gets fixed (not nerfed, fixed) and the said char drops 3 levels in the tier list because he can't hit any more from half the screen, tough! It's how the character should have been in the first place.

So, yes, please remove that enormous game breaking imbalanced renders-the-game-unplayable bug that is batman's j2.
 

Mikman360

Not the Milkman.
I do like Deathstroke. I just think his nerfs were warranted and didn't really effect the character nearly as bad as people think.

Lol. Lemme just say right now almost everything you've posted since quoting me has made me laugh in one way or another.

This "and other phantom hitboxes" will indirectly involve DS if people are literally posting pictures of Ji1, or maybe you're not being observant. When I get tagged by someone in discussion of Ji1 and a vortex and the effect of a decreased hitbox on it, then yes, DS is being discussed and I have every right to post about it.

Don't lie. You praise the gods every time someone thinks about nerfing DS. And we have found tons of tech beyond being salty about nerfs, you're just too ignorant to notice them. But this isn't a DS nerf thread, I'm going on no more about this.

Phantom hitboxes are fair if you can do something about it. If you can't block Batman's Ji2 because he jumped over you, get better. It's another matter of "I don't like learning, so Ima cry for nerfs cuz I'm a big baby!" This game (as well as a good number of others) does that so that characters that dont have massive arms or weapons have a CHANCE at hitting the opponent. Are you new to fighting games? Good lord, this stuff has been around for forever. Vergil apparently has bombs in his back pocket that explode and create a massive hitbox behind him every time he uses his H in UMvC3.

If you want to make it fair for smaller characters to hit things, but don't like the phantom hitboxes, then I hope you have fun with a cartoony styled game. Our game would look like this:

In order to have the hitboxes compensate for Mario lacking the giant sword that Link has, he gets this exaggerated inflation of his body parts when he attacks. You wanna animate the game that way, you whine about it.

The thing is, there's no problem with Batman having a crossup Ji2. There's nothing wrong with DS having a crossup Ji1. You just don't like it because you cant see it. There WAS a problem with Doomsday hitting with his body splash so high in the air that you couldn't anti-air it though, so they fixed it.
 

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
Lol. Lemme just say right now almost everything you've posted since quoting me has made me laugh in one way or another.

This "and other phantom hitboxes" will indirectly involve DS if people are literally posting pictures of Ji1, or maybe you're not being observant. When I get tagged by someone in discussion of Ji1 and a vortex and the effect of a decreased hitbox on it, then yes, DS is being discussed and I have every right to post about it.

Don't lie. You praise the gods every time someone thinks about nerfing DS. And we have found tons of tech beyond being salty about nerfs, you're just too ignorant to notice them. But this isn't a DS nerf thread, I'm going on no more about this.

Phantom hitboxes are fair if you can do something about it. If you can't block Batman's Ji2 because he jumped over you, get better. It's another matter of "I don't like learning, so Ima cry for nerfs cuz I'm a big baby!" This game (as well as a good number of others) does that so that characters that dont have massive arms or weapons have a CHANCE at hitting the opponent. Are you new to fighting games? Good lord, this stuff has been around for forever. Vergil apparently has bombs in his back pocket that explode and create a massive hitbox behind him every time he uses his H in UMvC3.

If you want to make it fair for smaller characters to hit things, but don't like the phantom hitboxes, then I hope you have fun with a cartoony styled game. Our game would look like this:

In order to have the hitboxes compensate for Mario lacking the giant sword that Link has, he gets this exaggerated inflation of his body parts when he attacks. You wanna animate the game that way, you whine about it.

The thing is, there's no problem with Batman having a crossup Ji2. There's nothing wrong with DS having a crossup Ji1. You just don't like it because you cant see it. There WAS a problem with Doomsday hitting with his body splash so high in the air that you couldn't anti-air it though, so they fixed it.
Hey fuck you man, a mario fighting game would be hype as shit
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Lol. Lemme just say right now almost everything you've posted since quoting me has made me laugh in one way or another.

This "and other phantom hitboxes" will indirectly involve DS if people are literally posting pictures of Ji1, or maybe you're not being observant. When I get tagged by someone in discussion of Ji1 and a vortex and the effect of a decreased hitbox on it, then yes, DS is being discussed and I have every right to post about it.

Don't lie. You praise the gods every time someone thinks about nerfing DS. And we have found tons of tech beyond being salty about nerfs, you're just too ignorant to notice them. But this isn't a DS nerf thread, I'm going on no more about this.

Phantom hitboxes are fair if you can do something about it. If you can't block Batman's Ji2 because he jumped over you, get better. It's another matter of "I don't like learning, so Ima cry for nerfs cuz I'm a big baby!" This game (as well as a good number of others) does that so that characters that dont have massive arms or weapons have a CHANCE at hitting the opponent. Are you new to fighting games? Good lord, this stuff has been around for forever. Vergil apparently has bombs in his back pocket that explode and create a massive hitbox behind him every time he uses his H in UMvC3.

If you want to make it fair for smaller characters to hit things, but don't like the phantom hitboxes, then I hope you have fun with a cartoony styled game. Our game would look like this:

In order to have the hitboxes compensate for Mario lacking the giant sword that Link has, he gets this exaggerated inflation of his body parts when he attacks. You wanna animate the game that way, you whine about it.

The thing is, there's no problem with Batman having a crossup Ji2. There's nothing wrong with DS having a crossup Ji1. You just don't like it because you cant see it. There WAS a problem with Doomsday hitting with his body splash so high in the air that you couldn't anti-air it though, so they fixed it.


Show me one post where I said Deathstroke should be nerfed. I was an advocate of leaving him the way that he was. The changes that NRS made did not debilitate the character in anyway except take away mindless scrubs ability to just shoot guns. Know what happened when they made the change? Everyone flipped the fuck out for over 5 days.

So I am sorry. I can't take deathstroke players seriously anymore...especially after they go into other threads and freak the fuck out if changes are brought out that may in some way shape or form effect their character along with others. You do realize that if they fixed phantom boxes, (which the wont) that it would be fair across the board because EVERYONE would lose them.

You can laugh all you want, it doesn't bother me a bit. I keep it real and in this case, I am sorry but if Phantom hitboxes were intended they can stay. If they weren't then they can fucking go no matter what Deathstroke players may cry about.

If you disagree with that then you are just being a god damn baby.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
I think people are confused -- no one is saying that Batman's hitbox should be removed entirely or that his crossup should be taken away; just that the hitbox be adjusted slightly to fit more with where his body actually is, like Doomsday's was. Seems reasonable to me.
This is all im talking about.i dont wantcross ups removed i just want the hit box to not extend past where characters body is. Getting hit by nothng is dumb as hell.
 

Mikman360

Not the Milkman.
Show me one post where I said Deathstroke should be nerfed. I was an advocate of leaving him the way that he was. The changes that NRS made did not debilitate the character in anyway except take away mindless scrubs ability to just shoot guns. Know what happened when they made the change? Everyone flipped the fuck out for over 5 days.

So I am sorry. I can't take deathstroke players seriously anymore...especially after they go into other threads and freak the fuck out if changes are brought out that may in some way shape or form effect their character along with others. You do realize that if they fixed phantom boxes, (which the wont) that it would be fair across the board because EVERYONE would lose them.

You can laugh all you want, it doesn't bother me a bit. I keep it real and in this case, I am sorry but if Phantom hitboxes were intended they can stay. If they weren't then they can fucking go no matter what Deathstroke players may cry about.

If you disagree with that then you are just being a god damn baby.

No, only characters with phantom hitboxes would lose them. Derp.

And I think you want to call me a baby for the sake of purely insulting me. Never once have I thought a hitbox in this game was worth nerfing. I don't just give up and deem things OP, and you nor no one else should. I might go "WOW that hit me from there? I guess I'd better watch out for it next time!" but I'm not going "I didn't see the hitbox, so it's broken. I'm going to wallow in my salt until NRS nerfs it." So who's the baby?

You insist on taking things out of context too. I'm here discussing the phantom hitboxes and how I don't think they are broken, using my main DS as an example because I understand him the best. You insist on insulting me and the DS community. I don't really care if you dont take us seriously or not, it's not like you're a valuable member to the DS lab technicians who actually try to find useful things. I haven't seen you post anything substantial for us.

Leave the phantom hitboxes alone until something really broken is created. Being hit by Batman's Ji2 from the opposite side was fine. Being unable to anti-air Dooms out of his body splash was not. He still has a phantom hitbox on it, and I'm okay with that.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
Lol. Lemme just say right now almost everything you've posted since quoting me has made me laugh in one way or another.

This "and other phantom hitboxes" will indirectly involve DS if people are literally posting pictures of Ji1, or maybe you're not being observant. When I get tagged by someone in discussion of Ji1 and a vortex and the effect of a decreased hitbox on it, then yes, DS is being discussed and I have every right to post about it.

Don't lie. You praise the gods every time someone thinks about nerfing DS. And we have found tons of tech beyond being salty about nerfs, you're just too ignorant to notice them. But this isn't a DS nerf thread, I'm going on no more about this.

Phantom hitboxes are fair if you can do something about it. If you can't block Batman's Ji2 because he jumped over you, get better. It's another matter of "I don't like learning, so Ima cry for nerfs cuz I'm a big baby!" This game (as well as a good number of others) does that so that characters that dont have massive arms or weapons have a CHANCE at hitting the opponent. Are you new to fighting games? Good lord, this stuff has been around for forever. Vergil apparently has bombs in his back pocket that explode and create a massive hitbox behind him every time he uses his H in UMvC3.

If you want to make it fair for smaller characters to hit things, but don't like the phantom hitboxes, then I hope you have fun with a cartoony styled game. Our game would look like this:

In order to have the hitboxes compensate for Mario lacking the giant sword that Link has, he gets this exaggerated inflation of his body parts when he attacks. You wanna animate the game that way, you whine about it.

The thing is, there's no problem with Batman having a crossup Ji2. There's nothing wrong with DS having a crossup Ji1. You just don't like it because you cant see it. There WAS a problem with Doomsday hitting with his body splash so high in the air that you couldn't anti-air it though, so they fixed it.
What a stupid fucking post. So we shouldnt fix things that are broken we should adapt to them? And i could anti air doomsday just fine before his fix with grundy.Phantom hitboxes are a broken game mechanic and it should be fixed for every character, end of story.
 

Mikman360

Not the Milkman.
What a stupid fucking post. So we shouldnt fix things that are broken we should adapt to them? And i could anti air doomsday just fine before his fix with grundy.Phantom hitboxes are a broken game mechanic and it should be fixed for every character, end of story.

-Says he could deal with Dooms body splash phantom hitbox before the patch
-Claims hitboxes are broken
 

jaym7018

Warrior
-Says he could deal with Dooms body splash phantom hitbox before the patch
-Claims hitboxes are broken
Batmans j2 hitbox is much worse than doomsdays was. Imnot looking to nerf anything these are broken game mechanics just like batgirls bola or ferris airfield fixing a broken game mechanic is not a nerfits a fix. Doomsdays chip damage was a fixso was harleys. Batgirls whiff reset on bola also a broken game mechanic,fixed. Batgirls meterless meter burn is a broken game mechanic needs fixed. Some characters havemids that whiff on crouchers again broken game mechanic needs fixing.
 

Mikman360

Not the Milkman.
Batmans j2 hitbox is much worse than doomsdays was. Imnot looking to nerf anything these are broken game mechanics just like batgirls bola or ferris airfield fixing a broken game mechanic is not a nerfits a fix. Doomsdays chip damage was a fixso was harleys. Batgirls whiff reset on bola also a broken game mechanic,fixed. Batgirls meterless meter burn is a broken game mechanic needs fixed. Some characters havemids that whiff on crouchers again broken game mechanic needs fixing.

Nothing you posted was like Batman's Ji2.
 

Stilll Alive

Apprentice
Here's what I really don't understand about hit boxes, why do we have them? It seems to be a very old fashion technology, why isn't there an imaginary outline from the character at all why isn't it just around the characters model so things make sense lol


Check my channel out for combo videos ranked matches montages and more http://www.youtube.com/user/TequilaMockingburd

And no I don't type my signature out everytime, im using Tapatalk app lol
 

Boodendorf

Bird woman!
Here's what I really don't understand about hit boxes, why do we have them? It seems to be a very old fashion technology, why isn't there an imaginary outline from the character at all why isn't it just around the characters model so things make sense lol


Check my channel out for combo videos ranked matches montages and more http://www.youtube.com/user/TequilaMockingburd

And no I don't type my signature out everytime, im using Tapatalk app lol
My guess is because it costs more? I dunno.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
I think Joker's j2 is worse than Batman's does anyone have a pic of that phat ass phantom hitbox?
 

DuskAlloy

You don't got the cash, You don't get the ass
Hey you guys, batman has been hitting the chocolate cake a bit too much, so its not funny making fun of him despite the fact that his fat ass will hit you from a mile a way
 
grundy's anti-air grab anyone? that shit grabs you from anywhere (even if you cross-up...he's got you)

oh and green lantern's light....fuck that move