Match-up Discussion Bane Matchup Discussion

[Dayvo]

GL isn't that bad. He's another character with no wake up options. Once you get the knockdown, it's bad news

The problem it's getting the knockdown

 

[big_aug]

I like crossing up w/body splash and LM is so annoying. I try to poke him and he wakes up w/LM. B1 has insane range as a low, it's fantastic. I'm convinced this is by and far his worst matchup. At least w/Batman/Superman, I feel I can get in and stay in. GL, it's so hard to bait out the LM. The green bastard totally throws me off my game

Venom delayed special stops everything on wakeup.

And start up on machine gun is too slow to stop a charge if you are near the range of his lift.

 

[JaredL]

The problem it's getting the knockdown

Even then, you have two options.

Back Breaker, or double punch. He can really easily wake up with LM to fuck any normals you have, so that's out of the question. If you try to bait his LM, he can tell and he'll just backdash/jump back and it all comes down to nothing.

So, its a 50/50 between him jumping out or you getting him with your amazing 8% double punch

 

[big_aug]

You can use charge to stuff his wake ups and catch back dashes. It can catch jumps too.

You shouldn't be using normals until you've stuffed him a few times and he's scared to wake up at all.

Also, if someone jumps back, you can catch them with charge. Worst case is they will block and you're right on top of them again.

 

[Doombawkz]

Fine, fine. If you guys say so.

 

[chief713]

A delayed charge on wakeup fucks GL up if he's mashing anything (jump, backdash, LM, normals etc). Don't make a habit out of it for obvious reasons, but checking him every once in a while with charge keeps him a bit more honest on wakeup.

EDIT: TL : DR, what aug said

 

[Doombawkz]

A delayed charge on wakeup fucks GL up if he's mashing anything (jump, backdash, LM, normals etc). Don't make a habit out of it for obvious reasons, but checking him every once in a while with charge keeps him a bit more honest on wakeup.

To be fair, making a habit of it isn't the worst thing in the world. Its safe on block.

 

[Dayvo]

Even then, you have two options.

Back Breaker, or double punch. He can really easily wake up with LM to fuck any normals you have, so that's out of the question. If you try to bait his LM, he can tell and he'll just backdash/jump back and it all comes down to nothing.

So, its a 50/50 between him jumping out or you getting him with your amazing 8% double punch

The only last option it's Lvl 3 F2D, you get an armored overhead that can lead to DBF3(for example). The damage will be good due lvl 3, but it's highly situational.

 

[JaredL]

The more I think of it, the more I realize its not that banes tools are broken, and need buffing. Its that he simply has the wrong kind of tools for this game. I really don't see what you can buff for him to be able to deal with someone like GL or Batman, or Superman.

 

[chief713]

To be fair, making a habit of it isn't the worst thing in the world. Its safe on block.

Which is why anyone competent will MB b/f 3.

The more I think of it, the more I realize its not that banes tools are broken, and need buffing. Its that he simply has the wrong kind of tools for this game. I really don't see what you can buff for him to be able to deal with someone like GL or Batman, or Superman.

It's just the nature of the character. Chars like Bane will always have bad matchups against chars like those. It's why Zangief vs Sagat/Akuma/Dhalsim has been a bad matchup since SF2. You'll always have to work harder and more intelligent and patient than your opponent to win these matchups.

 

[Doombawkz]

Which is why anyone competent will MB b/f 3.

You have 0 frames of start-up on venom, I'm sure they will regret trying it when they are sucking down a 25% followed by a 52% combo for the cost of that precious meter. You can react to the ~sound~ of the MB b/f.3 and pump venom if your reactions aren't shot all to hell.

Heck, against GL you don't have much reason not to level 3 venom in his face. You need all the trade off you can get, and f.2d stuffs most options with that one armor hit.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Fine, fine. If you guys say so.

All we are saying is, if you beat a really good GL, it sure as hell wasn't because Bane did it, it was you as a player making great reads

 

[chief713]

I'm pretty sure MB b/f3 beats charge even with venom unless it's lvl 3.

 

[Doombawkz]

All we are saying is, if you beat a really good GL, it sure as hell wasn't because Bane did it, it was you as a player making great reads

If you beat any great player with Bane, it was reads. We have the benefit of having one of the only characters which isn't even slightly braindead to use. And by benefit I mean I wish command grab was just b.f.3

 

[Doombawkz]

I'm pretty sure MB b/f3 beats charge even with venom unless it's lvl 3.

It does, that's why I said go to 3. You don't have any reason not to, especially against GL.

 

[big_aug]

After the patch, nothing really feels that bad anymore to be honest. I feel like I lose because I didn't execute or the other guy was just plain better. I don't feel like there's nothing I could have done.

 

[chief713]

I guess man. That just doesn't sound like it'll work that well in practice.

 

[RWDY Nori]

I really don't see what you can buff for him to be able to deal with someone like GL or Batman, or Superman.

I only agree w/the GL part. Superman/Batman is much easier to get in on them and hurt them. I can block and make good reads. Obviously it's hard as hell, I lose to most of them but that's because of my ignorance on certain strings, not the matchup. GL, way too many options to destroy Bane

 

[Doombawkz]

I guess man. That just doesn't sound like it'll work that well in practice.

Honestly its a game of numbers against him. His low mobility won't let him keep far from you for long, and he only has so much space before he hits a wall. If you can get in at all, level 3 venom gives you the most benefit and options by far since he won't be able to wake-up against you. Taking off 70% of his life in one go is just the means to an end, since its all damage he has to make up. The best part is when you pull ahead because you can actually force him to approach somewhat. Score that ~50%, back out and watch him struggle to make up the difference while you gas up again and keep on him.

 

[RWDY Nori]

Does level 3 body splash have armor on it? No right? If it does I've been approaching this match the wrong way

 

[Doombawkz]

Does level 3 body splash have armor on it? No right? If it does I've been approaching this match the wrong way

None of the air attacks do, but I mean I don't think anyones does.

 

[HardlyWalken]

No it does not. I try to remember not to jump in against Green Lantern.

 

[Doombawkz]

Jumping in isn't the worst idea, actually. b.23 dash under jump over is not only double input reversal, but the Lanterns Might sometimes goes the entire wrong direction.

Very situational though

 

[RWDY Nori]

Hmm.....so maybe dash in and double punch w/armor? I need to just let GL go off on me in training mode and go from there

 

[chief713]

Hmm.....so maybe dash in and double punch w/armor? I need to just let GL go off on me in training mode and go from there

That's how I usually get things started. Try just walk/dash my way in until he does minigun at a range where I can block and dash forward d1 xx (venom) double punch if he stays still.