Match-up Discussion Bane Matchup Discussion

[big_aug]

Hah what? Block or jump what?

The slide. My timing was just wrong and I kept getting hit with the slide even with venom/armor. I just gave up on it after a few matches lol

Another thing you can do, especially after a double punch. Dash up to her like you will pressure, but jump back d3 into full combo. It lines up perfectly.

You can hit the command grab pretty easy too. God, why didn't i just test it sooner instead of being a moron.

 

[Doombawkz]

The slide. My timing was just wrong and I kept getting hit with the slide even with venom/armor. I just gave up on it after a few matches lol

Another thing you can do, especially after a double punch. Dash up to her like you will pressure, but jump back d3 into full combo. It lines up perfectly.

You can hit the command grab pretty easy too. God, why didn't i just test it sooner instead of being a moron.

Haha. Everything comes with experience. You can't punish the slide on block to my knowledge, at least not as Bane.
However you can stuff it en route for free, and whats more is you can catch a few frosts sleeping and nail a normal throw after the side since they tend to block the rebuttal.

 

[-Deadman-]

What is your PSN Id? When I did play you? And LOL at Bane having an easy time with HawkGirl. First off, HG's d1 stops Bane up close all day, err day. Bane is easy to avoid mid to full screen...when he starts his charged run I'll hop over that shit like Jackie Joyner Kercer. Secondly, the only move that can take HG out of peak height flight is his DB2 or whatever move where he lunges into the air...but no skilled HG will allow that. So in all seriousness, Bane struggles against "competent" HawkGirls.

Call me cray-cray, but Id rather be Bane vs Hawkgirl than BlackAdam vs Hawkgirl.
Also, what competent Bane is going to LOLrun against Hawkgirl?

 

[RunwayMafia]

Call me cray-cray, but Id rather be Bane vs Hawkgirl than BlackAdam vs Hawkgirl.
Also, what competent Bane is going to LOLrun against Hawkgirl?

What do you mean "run" against HawkGirl? I was referring to when Bane does that fullscreen jog across the screen...hence jumping over him like Jackie Joyner Kercer, lol. And I disagree...I think the HawkGirl player will win over Bane as well as Black Adam...just my opinions of course.

 

[Doombawkz]

What do you mean "run" against HawkGirl? I was referring to when Bane does that fullscreen jog across the screen...hence jumping over him like Jackie Joyner Kercer, lol. And I disagree...I think the HawkGirl player will win over Bane as well as Black Adam...just my opinions of course.

So tell me something, what are you going to do when you run out of flying space? You don't have any wake-up options we can't simply beat, and once your in the corner above us you really don't have a way out. Your damage isn't enough to dissuade us, and you can't fly forever. Plus our dash is a lot faster than your flying and we can buffer inputs at the end, so we don't really need to charge when we can just double dash upper.

Opinions are one thing, but I want to know what tools you believe to have that beats out our anything over the course of the entire match.

 

[RunwayMafia]

So tell me something, what are you going to do when you run out of flying space? You don't have any wake-up options we can't simply beat, and once your in the corner above us you really don't have a way out. Your damage isn't enough to dissuade us, and you can't fly forever. Plus our dash is a lot faster than your flying and we can buffer inputs at the end, so we don't really need to charge when we can just double dash upper.

Opinions are one thing, but I want to know what tools you believe to have that beats out our anything over the course of the entire match.

Well...I wouldn't underestimate a supreme ability to control the air space in this game...so with that said it wouldn't be difficult to stop this alleged dashing into said buffers with a moderately timed mace (diagonal or straight), not to mention her Mace Charge is fast, covers a lot of distance, and can and will stop opponents in the air. She could avoid Bane in the corner while he is below her...Mace Charge to escape or stomp to check him. Wake ups...all of her moves (Mace Charge and Wing Evade) are safe. She has a solid ground game (mix ups) plus her 6frame D1 that has hella reach and interrupts everyone in this game...not to mention her trait IS VIRTUALLY continuous...once she hits the ground she can immediately go into flight again which is another 6 seconds or so in the air...

Keep in mind I'm not suggesting Bane sucks nor his representatives. My tone is not argumentative...I'm just saying with my experience playing good Bane's I had no problem controlling the air or fighting him on the ground. HawkGirl is seriously under looked in this game...

 

[-Deadman-]

What do you mean "run" against HawkGirl? I was referring to when Bane does that fullscreen jog across the screen...hence jumping over him like Jackie Joyner Kercer, lol. And I disagree...I think the HawkGirl player will win over Bane as well as Black Adam...just my opinions of course.

You mentioned that our Venom Upper (db2) is the only thing that could meet you in the air at your peak, and a competent HG will never allow that to happen. You also mentioned that you can simply jump over Venom Charge from mid to full screen. But what I ask is, what competent Bane is going to simply throw out a Venom charge from mid to full screen? Full screen venom charge is only viable in a few matchups, for a few situations, and I hate to break your heart but Hawkgirl isn't one of them. Any Bane worth his venom isn't going to just whip out a Venom Charge just to get blocked and punished at -11 frames.

I haven't played many HGs, and those that I have, I was on BlackAdam 9 times out of 10.
On paper, I feel that the matchup will have the same tempo as with Adam, except Bane has anti-air options and actual pressure on a knockdown.
All I can say is, don't sleep on Bane, especially if hes got any # of venom stacks up.
Unless you have a solid multi-hit wakeup, there's a damn good chance you can get pitbulled just like everyone else in the corner.

 

[RunwayMafia]

You mentioned that our Venom Upper (db2) is the only thing that could meet you in the air at your peak, and a competent HG will never allow that to happen. You also mentioned that you can simply jump over Venom Charge from mid to full screen. But what I ask is, what competent Bane is going to simply throw out a Venom charge from mid to full screen? Full screen venom charge is only viable in a few matchups, for a few situations, and I hate to break your heart but Hawkgirl isn't one of them. Any Bane worth his venom isn't going to just whip out a Venom Charge just to get blocked and punished at -11 frames.

I haven't played many HGs, and those that I have, I was on BlackAdam 9 times out of 10.
On paper, I feel that the matchup will have the same tempo as with Adam, except Bane has anti-air options and actual pressure on a knockdown.
All I can say is, don't sleep on Bane, especially if hes got any # of venom stacks up.
Unless you have a solid multi-hit wakeup, there's a damn good chance you can get pitbulled just like everyone else in the corner.

I hear ya...I actually don't care for the theory fighting that takes place in these types of debates...yeah I get that "competent" Bane's wouldn't just throw that out blah, blah, blah...I'm simply saying it's not hard to deal with as HawkGirl as say CatWoman, or Harley, or whomever. HawkGirl is a completely safe character combined with speed and yes she does have damage...on her specials and her corner combos are insane...So I agree with you on not sleeping on Bane...as I am saying the same for HawkGirl.

I'm just saying that MY experience with Bane has not led me to believe that this is a hard MU for HawkGirl....I'm sure that will change as the game develops and evolves...again this is just the summary I've developed from my time in the battlefield.

 

[Doombawkz]

Well...I wouldn't underestimate a supreme ability to control the air space in this game...

Doesn't mean anything to a guy who can touch the ceiling and dash faster than you can hope to fly.

so with that said it wouldn't be difficult to stop this alleged dashing into said buffers with a moderately timed mace (diagonal or straight), not to mention her Mace Charge is fast, covers a lot of distance, and can and will stop opponents in the air.

Moderately timed mace is going to be hard when we cover half the screen in one quick dash and have armor right after, which by the by eats your mace and you. Air is unnecessary since we don't need to go air-to-air against you.

She could avoid Bane in the corner while he is below her...

Lets take it from the top.

Mace Charge to escape or stomp to check him.

Both lose to venom upper flat out. If you mace charge we just keep dashing after you, so you won't gain any distance.

Wake ups...all of her moves (Mace Charge and Wing Evade) are safe.

No such thing. If it can't break armor, its not safe.

She has a solid ground game (mix ups) plus her 6frame D1 that has hella reach and interrupts everyone in this game...

See above. If it can't break armor, its useless.

not to mention her trait IS VIRTUALLY continuous...once she hits the ground she can immediately go into flight again which is another 6 seconds or so in the air...

Too bad you fly far too slowly to get away. That landing into reflight? We are already hitting you with an upper and you can't do a thing about it.

Keep in mind I'm not suggesting Bane sucks nor his representatives. My tone is not argumentative...

Of course not, simply uninformed.

I'm just saying with my experience playing good Bane's I had no problem controlling the air or fighting him on the ground.

"Good" Banes is a relative term. Its doubtful the Bane was good from what you claim of full-screen charges.

HawkGirl is seriously under looked in this game...

No doubt, but her MU against Bane isn't in her favor by any stretch.


On a side note, "theory fighting" is a nice backpedal in some situations, however we are discussing character tools. There's no theory behind how the character mechanics function, nor about dash/fly speed, armor properties, and attack properties. If you want to discuss MUs, you have to be able to talk about how character can/cannot deal with certain properties of another. If Hawkgirl has no answers to venom oki and venom anti-air upper, then that's something that takes part in the MU.

 

[RunwayMafia]

No doubt, but her MU against Bane isn't in her favor by any stretch.


On a side note, "theory fighting" is a nice backpedal in some situations, however we are discussing character tools. There's no theory behind how the character mechanics function, nor about dash/fly speed, armor properties, and attack properties. If you want to discuss MUs, you have to be able to talk about how character can/cannot deal with certain properties of another. If Hawkgirl has no answers to venom oki and venom anti-air upper, then that's something that takes part in the MU.

Well then we will just have to agree to disagree. I wasnt backpedaling at all...theory fighting is absurd predicting what players may or may not do...and lol at the assumption that I've only played that one Bane that did the full screen charge. At this very moment...discussing character tools...I just don't see it.

 

[Doombawkz]

Well then we will just have to agree to disagree. I wasnt backpedaling at all...theory fighting is absurd predicting what players may or may not do...and lol at the assumption that I've only played that one Bane that did the full screen charge. At this very moment...discussing character tools...I just don't see it.

One player gives you the assumption its a strategy we use in enough of a form to bring it as a means to counterance?
And I never accused you of backpedaling in this instance, however I am noting the concept of "theory fighting" only works in the occational situation and is used far too often and openly.

Character tool discussion:

when we cover half the screen in one quick dash and have armor right after,

You don't have any wake-up options we can't simply beat

If it can't break armor, its not safe.

Both lose to venom upper flat out. If you mace charge we just keep dashing after you, so you won't gain any distance.

Too bad you fly far too slowly to get away.

Specifically covering:
Bane dash speed and armor properties with buffing
Hawkgirl wake-up against venom buffed oki
Venom/armor properties
Venom armor vs attack options, and follow-ups upon your escape, Bane dash.
Hawkgirl fly speed vs Bane movement speed

 

[RunwayMafia]

One player gives you the assumption its a strategy we use in enough of a form to bring it as a means to counterance?
And I never accused you of backpedaling in this instance, however I am noting the concept of "theory fighting" only works in the occational situation and is used far too often and openly.

Character tool discussion:











Specifically covering:
Bane dash speed and armor properties with buffing
Hawkgirl wake-up against venom buffed oki
Venom/armor properties
Venom armor vs attack options, and follow-ups upon your escape, Bane dash.
Hawkgirl fly speed vs Bane movement speed

Yeah, you are totally right about the Bane Charge move...I'm not basing my assumption solely on that move, it's just when I first saw it I noticed it was far more easily avoidable as HG as the rest of my cast. I'm totally open minded in these types of discussions in regards to tools and what not. Again, I'm just going off of my own experience. I'll tell you what I'd like to do in this type of discussion...hook me up with a good Bane on PSN and I'll record our set, post it here, and then we can dissect it together. We could point out certain situational tactics and what not...it's the only way I can get a clear grasp on your points if I actually experience them in a match.

 

[Doombawkz]

Yeah, you are totally right about the Bane Charge move...I'm not basing my assumption solely on that move, it's just when I first saw it I noticed it was far more easily avoidable as HG as the rest of my cast. I'm totally open minded in these types of discussions in regards to tools and what not. Again, I'm just going off of my own experience. I'll tell you what I'd like to do in this type of discussion...hook me up with a good Bane on PSN and I'll record our set, post it here, and then we can dissect it together. We could point out certain situational tactics and what not...it's the only way I can get a clear grasp on your points if I actually experience them in a match.

I would volunteer myself but sadly working most of the week for most of the day has given me the kind of rust you simply can't shake off without a few days to do it. RYX is pretty dang good but I dunno if he is on PSN.

 

[RunwayMafia]

I would volunteer myself but sadly working most of the week for most of the day has given me the kind of rust you simply can't shake off without a few days to do it. RYX is pretty dang good but I dunno if he is on PSN.

Ive played his Bane a while ago...ill set up a time with him and post the set here and we can discuss further. Cool?

 

[Doombawkz]

Ive played his Bane a while ago...ill set up a time with him and post the set here and we can discuss further. Cool?

Sure if you guys can post up a video.
I always had a hunch RYX was a filthy casual, now I'll get to see it.

 

[RunwayMafia]

Sure if you guys can post up a video.
I always had a hunch RYX was a filthy casual, now I'll get to see it.

Consider it done

 

[ColdBoreMK23]

I would like to pick up Bane to play once and awhile but his venom management scares the hell out of me and the damage he takes during cool down.

I love the damage his dishes with it but I constantly want to go YOLO venom all the time and then get blown up on cool down.

 

[Doombawkz]

I would like to pick up Bane to play once and awhile but his venom management scares the hell out of me and the damage he takes during cool down.

I love the damage his dishes with it but I constantly want to go YOLO venom all the time and then get blown up on cool down.

The character in game fits the character in comics.
You'll want the venom, its addictive... But you'll pay a high price for indulgence...

 

[RYX]

Consider it done

I like how this was made without my consent.

Cool, I'll play a match up I barely know.

 

[Doombawkz]

I like how this was made without my consent.

Cool, I'll play a match up I barely know.

Don't worry RYX, I just said you were one of the better Banes and I'm not only rusty but hella busy 6/7 days of the week.

 

[D_Matt_Ma]

I'm learning HG right now. I haven't tested the HG vs Bane stuff though (who plays these 2 characters anyways?) If F1>3 hits fast enough to interrupt armor on double punch, then Bane may have a problem. Otherwise, this still remains to be one of the few match-ups Bane does not suck in.

 

[RunwayMafia]

I like how this was made without my consent.

Cool, I'll play a match up I barely know.

You certainly don't have to...it was going to be for MU discussion...it's ok...

 

[RunwayMafia]

I like how this was made without my consent.

Cool, I'll play a match up I barely know.

Also, if you barely know the MU, how else are you going to learn? I just think it's the best way for Bane players and HawkGirl players to visually see a match and get together to discuss it. If I destroy you or you me...I have no intentions to post the video and then gloat "HAHAHA SEE...Bane sucks!"..or vice versa. Instead of arguing about this and that, it's a classy way to come together and discuss the MU...ugh children

 

[RYX]

Also, if you barely know the MU, how else are you going to learn? I just think it's the best way for Bane players and HawkGirl players to visually see a match and get together to discuss it. If I destroy you or you me...I have no intentions to post the video and then gloat "HAHAHA SEE...Bane sucks!"..or vice versa. Instead of arguing about this and that, it's a classy way to come together and discuss the MU...ugh children

The facetiousness didn't come through well. :v

 

[chief713]

I've had some limited HG experience, so I at least kinda know what's going on. If you're on PSN, I'll run a set with you. I haven't seen the other guys here play, so I can't speak for my level in comparison to theirs, but I don't think I'm terrible (W/L ratio is around 60%, all with Bane) so we should be able to get some decent games in.

PSN ID is chief713. Send me a FR, and I guess we can try to set up a time here or something.