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this. X100raiden overpowered? I lol'd.
this thread has been a great read, though. thanks for that.
this. X100raiden overpowered? I lol'd.
Learn how to counter Raiden and Lui Kang imo. They're just like every other character - they have weaknesses, and strengths. Figure out what those are, along with the common strings and mind games they use, and beat them.online, raiden is definitely overpowered. His teleport is too fast to punish online usually. His superman is very fast, and even when i react block for it, sometimes hes rolling in the air close, and sometimes far, and when hes far I can't combo after it which is stupid. Raiden and Lui Kang are the two most cheapest characters to use online. Offline it might be a different story, but online it just gets ridiculous.
Tag is not balanced I would assume, Im sorry.Raiden, to me, is overpowered. Simple as that.
Is there any way to get out of the electric fly/scorpion's hellfire trap for tag team matches? This Raiden I fought against last night was using the glitching screen to his advantage, and I was forced to take damage without choice.
Either block the electric fly and eat the unblockable, or jump/dash the unblockable and eat the electric fly.
I would really like to learn the answer to this. Sub-Zero just had no chance, I couldn't see what was going on because he kept glitching the screen.
I sincerely want to go from my opinion of a good Raiden player as being overpowered and change that to simply being an uphill struggle, or great challenge at the very least. The tricks this raiden player was pulling off was just simply nonsense. I'm thinking of picking Raiden up just so I can learn the match-up better, but man... Someone tell me the trick to this first? Ways to read? Punish?
This is the TL: DR version for all you people.I am great, I win a lot therefore my difficulty with Raiden means he is overpowered. He has mix up! WTF! He should have no teleport, no superman and no throw. Then he will be fine. This coming from a pro player which means I am 100% right
Cyrax.there are no overpowered characters in this game anymore.
only the cyborg costumes.Cyrax.
Thats a bit of a silly point. If everyone has access to the robot costumes they will use them. No one will limit themselves pointlessly and arbitrarily. In a tournament they will go for cyborg costume.only the cyborg costumes.
omg, I can't believe we are having the same conversation, yet again. Superman->Block + punish. It's a no brainer. If he bounces back, dash and punish. Most Raiden players do Electric Fly on wake-up, block and punish them. Yes, the Teleport is fast, poke them with d + 1 or do a combo or uppercut on reaction. It's doable. Your win/loss ratio doesn't really mean anything. Why are you using it is an argument here? I was just at a tournament where an average Cyrax player punished me on Teleport with uppercut consistently. Go watch some of my videos in the 'Raiden match videos" thread and see for yourself Wu-Renegade punishing my Teleport with full combo on reaction.As a player on XBL with a 80%+ win rating, and probably a 90% win rating when I play with my main (and I don't usually play scrubs except if I'm in KoH), let me just say that Raiden is 100% overpowered online. No doubt about it, anybody who tells you anything different is lying to you.
I can deal with Kano, I can deal with Kung Lao, I can deal with Reptile, Ermac, Smoke, and Kabal. Bring 'em. But Raiden? Raiden I have no chance against. In order to block his superman, I have to guess early with block. However, even if I do block his superman, he bounces away so far that it's a 50/50 whether or not I'm going to be quick enough to punish it. That's a safe, extremely fast, high damage forward attack - nobody has all of those in one. But the other problem is that his teleport means I can't block, because he'll simply teleport as soon as I do and either grab me, sweep me, or begin a combo that he can stop at any time and switch to grab. There's literally nothing I can do except eat chip damage and get ready to be thrown.
And sure, I do win a few matches against Raidens. And most of those I win because I make it a mirror match and watch the supermans go flying. I almost refuse to play against Raiden anymore with another character. Let's break it down a bit:
With Reptile, here are the following moves that I use against most characters (obviously there are some matches that require different things):
Slow forceball, fast forceball, slide, dash, acid spit, EX Slow Forceball, EX dash, EX slide, EX acid spit, X-Ray, 1-2-2-1 Combo, 3-2-1 Combo, 2-3+4 Combo, F3-1+2 Combo, Throws, B3, and occassionally 1-2-B1. Those are the moves I use. Sure, I'll go invis against some match ups, and I'll go with the F2-B1 combo against Scorpion all day long... but the above are my typical repitoire.
With Raiden, me and any other good Raiden who plays with him use this:
Teleport-Throw/Sweep/3-3-4, Superman, Electric Bolt, EX Electric Bolt, Superman, EX Superman, X-Ray, and we'll do a few other moves if we get the juggle combo going, but only in that situation.
So basically, with Raiden I'm going to do ten moves against you. With Reptile (another top tier), I need to do seventeen moves.
Now, not only that, but also there's the issue of the pattern. With Reptile, I'm going to throw forceballs, acid spits, dashes, slides, combos, and grabs at you in an effort to hit you unexpectedly and get some damage in there. With Raiden, I'm going to repeatedly teleport faster than you can respond, grabbing you if you're blocking before you can adjust, supermanning you if you try to, and chipping away at you with my overhead combo if needed. You'll know the pattern, but there's nothing you can do about it.
That's what's patently overpowered about Raiden. If I know somebody's pattern, I should be able to exploit it. Ninety-percent of Raidens online have the same pattern, and there is no way to exploit it unless they make really foolish mistakes. That's the problem.
Your response was quite disrespectful. I gave an articulate explanation for why Raiden is overpowered, and most completely ignored it.Lyuben said:This is the TL: DR version for all you people.
Deal with it. Learn to read raiden and learn to tech a throw.
wait, what?!Just change is his teleport. You shouldn't be at a disadvantage if he teleports whilst your your blocking. Thats is all.
He can't always do that. Sometimes you have to dash and then grab......
If he couldn't grab you out of the teleport, the newbs wouldn't have a chance playing with him anymore.
I teleport and grab all the time, it doesn't take a dash... just pressing forward out of the tele will work. If the person is very fast, they may cancel the throw, but that's the best they can do. They still took damage, and they still are in the same situation.He can't. You have to dash and then grab.
It's not a free throw. It's breakable.Which requires you to dash before or while he teleports. If you were blocking a second ago, this is impossible. If you dash before or while he teleports, you guessed he was going to teleport and may now be eating the superman instead. Blocking should not equal a free throw because Raiden can tele and grab before you can get out of the block animation.
You teleport grab all the time? You were the guy who made that long whine post as well... so you also play raiden and think he is overpowered?I teleport and grab all the time, it doesn't take a dash... just pressing forward out of the tele will work. If the person is very fast, they may cancel the throw, but that's the best they can do. They still took damage, and they still are in the same situation.