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Vagrant

Champion
So with Injustice coming out at midnight tonight and having knowledge of the game and the characters in it, I feel I should say this before the community reacts to the game tonight/tomorrow. Theres a few topics I should discuss here, some of it has already been said by other players so excuse me if I'm repeating what ______ said already.

..first and foremost…

This is NOT MORTAL KOMBAT

Forget everything you know about it... Injustice plays completely differently. From the characters to the controls, to the movement, to the fundamentals etc. This game is supposed to be an entirely different series. It's not designed to cater to MK/SF/UMVC453453 players.... It's designed for injustice players... Comparing this game to any other fighting game is completely redundant.


Shit is gonna be broken….

Like any other new fighting game, injustice will have its balancing issues during its early life. When you release a brand new game to countless high level players who thrive on discovering broken shit, this is bound to happen. There will be characters that completely dominate others, there will be resets, infinites (well hopefully not), “unfair” frame advantage, ridiculous damage, and a bunch of other shit we can’t even dream of….. Don’t freak out….. A lot of it will be patched out in the coming months…. It won’t happen as quickly as you want it to, but take a breath…. Put the gun down…..put your clothes on….. and give the developers time to adjust the game before swearing against it..


This game is balanced differently

Keep in mind that NRS’s methods of balancing injustice will not be the same as how they did MK. I think it’s a fair assumption that they’re going for more of a “Buff 2 instead of nerfing 1” mentality… Although that IS NOT to say that they won’t nerf broken stuff that obviously needs to be nerfed.


Let the tournament level players be the voices for balance changes.

Balance changes are made so that at the “highest level” as many chars can be considered viable/competitive as possible.

Not so that it’s easier for you to get around zoning
Not so that it’s easier for you to beat ______ character instead of taking the time to study the matchup.
Not so that your main/favorite character can plow through the whole cast with little effort.
9 times out of 10, your char doesn’t need changes…. Your gameplay does…

Tournament level players spend the most time studying this game to the last frame and can differentiate the best between. “Oh this is really tough to work around, I have to improve my play”and “Oh this shit is gamebreaking”
You’re more than welcome to voice your opinion about changes you’d like to see…. But please let’s not have a Kano repeat…..



Tournament players, we have a responsibility to this community.

Tournament players need to step into the role model shoes for this community.
If your desire is to help the scene grow as much as possible and to bring people in. Than please show respect to new players, share ALL tech and strat you find with the community, be patient with the attitudes of new players (That’s something I especially need to work on) and please stop holding onto every negative comment about you that is said by someone!

People talk shit. Instead of punishing the community as a whole for the actions of few, just fucking ignore them….. Someone talked shit about you…. Do you agree with what they said? If you do than adjust whatever it is about yourself you don’t like…. If you don’t agree with them there is NO POINT in letting whatever they said take up another second in your mind. Let it go. Be the bigger person.. And PLEASE STOP taking what 9 or 10 people think/say and chalking it up to “well the whole community thinks that” the whole community doesn’t. A select few do. Blaming it on an entire group of people is ignorant. NO REPEATS OF MK9!


Community, go easy on tourney players.


I know you don’t owe us anything. I know it’s your right to voice your opinion. But maybe tone it down a bit? Tourney players are human beings at the end of the day and that “_____ is a washed up garbage player” fucks with the mind of even the best player…. I watched Brady slowly but surely go practically insane because of some of the shit this community said about him during MK9 and Brady wasn’t the only instance….. Think about what you say before you say it, and who you’re saying it to. Otherwise don’t be surprised if people just keep their info/tech to themselves.




That’s it for now….. My main point in all of this is…. Let the game breath before overreacting to it. Let the developers make adjustments, let the high level of play develop, and let the community evolve before creating that “Petition to ban _________ character” thread. Or that “This game is fucking garbage” attitude. Just soak up the info for now, have fun with the game, and most importantly……

Everybody Just Breathe


-Vagrant
 

Killphil

A prop on the stage of life.
I just have one question(and yea, I'm grasping at straws here): You say tourney level players. Would that include everyone that goes to tournaments or are you just referring to the top placers?
 

Vagrant

Champion
I just have one question(and yea, I'm grasping at straws here): You say tourney level players. Would that include everyone that goes to tournaments or are you just referring to the top placers?
Players that play at a competetive tournament level. NOT just top placers. Theres no way to really define it exactly but I think everyone knows what I'm talking about.

But obviously i'm excluding the "what's a blockstring?" guy at tournaments. lol theres usually one or two that have no idea what they've gotten themselves into.
 

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
Great stuff, and i agree one hundred percent. Especially the part about going easy on tournament players. The players like Tom Brady, Pig of the Hut, Reo, PL,and all other top competitors are going to be very stressed and working hard in the next few months to keep there position as a top competitor, and the scrutiny is no help. And the better the non tourney player build a relationship with the tournament players, the more tech will be seen at the highest level and the stronger our community will be. Also let's stick together, and show everybody that MK players mean business. A whole new chapter in this communities life span is about to start, and it is exciting, and maybe even scary. But if we handle this correctly, great things will come to us.
 

chores

bad at things
But what if I don't want to spend time improving my technique/game knowledge? Can I cry for nerfs under that circumstance?
 

Tom Brady

Champion
I take serious of the "it will be patched out"stuff.. WHY?

Shit is NOT as broken as you guys will think it is. In time you will see that its not as bad as you thought. DO NOT cry and hope "for things to be patched out", shut up and learn the game.
 

GGA Max

Well-Known Member
If I may, Kano was very hard to beat at the casual level. The casual fan does not know that

his upball may be 7 or 8 frames
how much recovery it had
your d3 is 7
you can cancel into a special
etc

I believe he was nerfed because the casual gamer makes up a higher percentage of the money that NRS brings in. And this argument can even be applied to Sheeva. (Ever see her rape scrubs online?)

Before I get blown up I'd like to say I wish all characters were viable at the top tournament level.
 

Vagrant

Champion
I take serious of the "it will be patched out"stuff.. WHY?

Shit is NOT as broken as you guys will think it is. In time you will see that its not as bad as you thought. DO NOT cry and hope "for things to be patched out", shut up and learn the game.
Then why did we get a day 1 patch to help balance the game bro?

I'm referring to severely broken shit... Not inconvenient shit.... If someone finds an infinite with some char I'd say it's safe to assume it will be patched out....
 

Tom Brady

Champion
an infinite? yes, that will be patched out. A good tactic that is "broken" because its hard to get around is not something to hope for a patch on. This community doesnt know the difference. I just dont want people reading this and thinking "well, if something is giving me trouble then its cheap, they need to patch it out".
 

Killphil

A prop on the stage of life.
He said not AS broken as we think. Well...whoever was lucky enough to play the game before its official release date.
 
Then why did we get a day 1 patch to help balance the game bro?

I'm referring to severely broken shit... Not inconvenient shit.... If someone finds an infinite with some char I'd say it's safe to assume it will be patched out....
There is no "day 1" patch, it was always meant to be played that way with the patch! Just because people got it early doesn't mean that was the final game and the way Devs intended to be played with the changes already during your first time, the final game was with the day 1 update!

However, good thread.
 

Vagrant

Champion
Vagrant I got the message, I just want to make sure that people are clear on it. Too many cries for nerfs already on day -1
Agreed.

I anticipate a shit storm tomorrow of nerf demands which is what inspired me to make this thread.

I doubt it will deter them much but I can say I tried.... lol
 

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
Let the tournament level players be the voices for balance changes.

Balance changes are made so that at the “highest level” as many chars can be considered viable/competitive as possible.

  • Not so that it’s easier for you to get around zoning
  • Not so that it’s easier for you to beat ______ character instead of taking the time to study the matchup.
  • Not so that your main/favorite character can plow through the whole cast with little effort.
  • 9 times out of 10, your char doesn’t need changes…. Your gameplay does…
Tournament level players spend the most time studying this game to the last frame and can differentiate the best between. “Oh this is really tough to work around, I have to improve my play”and “Oh this shit is gamebreaking”
You’re more than welcome to voice your opinion about changes you’d like to see…. But please let’s not have a Kano repeat…..