What's new

Tournament Viable Characters for 2013

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
exactly. the only person representing reptile recently is chris g, and he did really well with him at winter brawl and plays this game a lot less than anyone that was there. if chris g took this game seriously reptile would definately be on the list and i think he would be higher up on the tier list too
Are you people serious? Chris G is CHRIS MOTHERFUCKING OG! If he wanted to play this game seriously and picked up fucking Kano he would body 80% of this community for free, but you wouldn't put that character on this list. Do y'all honestly think bringing him up makes the character better? (I'm exxagerating of course but you get my point)
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Alternatively:

1- Make a post about a certain character not being good.

2- Watch mains of said characters defend him to death and theory fight about how he does better in some match-ups than many think.

3- Find no actual proof of their claim, or, in fact, proof of the contrary.

4- Profit?
1. Keep posting even though you've never been to a tournament, when the topic is over tournament viable characters.

2. Profit?
 

Smarrgasm

What's a Smarrgasm?
Rain doesnt have any 3-7's im sure, hes just downplayed too hard and not appreciated.
DUDE, GTFO HERE. Dont tell me that ive havent been playing this character in tournament for over a year and dont appreciate him/know what is up with a lot of his MU's. I dont downplay rain cause im one of the few people who has stuck with him through everything to see exactly what he is. So dont give me this shit on Rain is better than he is. NO ONE but like me Reno_Racks, Mr Aquaman, and Mothmonsterman0 have stuck by him as tournament rains.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
DUDE, GTFO HERE. Dont tell me that ive havent been playing this character in tournament for over a year and dont appreciate him/know what is up with a lot of his MU's. I dont downplay rain cause im one of the few people who has stuck with him through everything to see exactly what he is. So dont give me this shit on Rain is better than he is. NO ONE but like me Reno_Racks, Mr Aquaman, and Mothmonsterman0 have stuck by him as tournament rains.
He's not bad, but he isn't great either. He definitely has 3-7s. UK is just crazy about foxy's rain, but people dont realize that most of the stuff he says is either wrong or already well known.

inb4 shitstorm
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
This has nothing to do with tourney viability, but when Reptile burns meter for combos, he either gets really high damage, or looks swaggy as fuck.
+pointsForReptile
1-bar Reptile combos can do some decent chunks of damage.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
You can dash all day on Freddy, you AREN'T getting in man. He doesn't need ground spike, all he has to do is throw claws and you can try to dash that fool point blank after one and still get hit by the next. So once again in order to beat a character he has to take risks, he has to jump and is hoping that either that he is outside of the range of ground spike, or it's still in recovery. If it isn't well then you are at full screen all over again. What about his footsies aren't better? Faster low pokes, faster normals with great range, why do anything other than just throw out something out, and wait for a d4 or dash? Maybe I just don't know shit about the MU I wouldn't put it past me to have been playing it wrong all this time. This isn't a MU discussion thread though so I will leave it be.

I will respond to Reptile's turnout at tournies however with the fact that there used to be tons of them! Everyone moved on to characters who actually win. Most of them still use Reptile from time to time, but they still need that extra character to go for gold.
lol

I could post this in the SZ forum and you'd be spot on

Reptile can play guile in this MU. From What i've experience in very little i've actually gotten to play the MU.

Freddy only outdamages Reptile on a JIP.... everything else is even.

Same goes for Ermac. Ermac doesn't do above average damage unless he actually lands a JIP b114..... he only gets the normal 40% with 31 or 12 starters. So those arguments are kinda ... wrong.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
He's not bad, but he isn't great either. He definitely has 3-7s. UK is just crazy about foxy's rain, but people dont realize that most of the stuff he says is either wrong or already well known.

inb4 shitstorm
Most of the stuff he says crushes players beliefs on how the game is played.....

truth hurts. He just doesn't get a chance to consistently prove himself in front of the american idiocracy.
 

Soul Bound X

Kombatant
Are you people serious? Chris G is CHRIS MOTHERFUCKING OG! If he wanted to play this game seriously and picked up fucking Kano he would body 80% of this community for free, but you wouldn't put that character on this list. Do y'all honestly think bringing him up makes the character better? (I'm exxagerating of course but you get my point)
it was really impressive seeing him take out blackula and also doing really well against gross. just imagine how well he would of done if he actually played this game
 

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
lol

I could post this in the SZ forum and you'd be spot on

Reptile can play guile in this MU. From What i've experience in very little i've actually gotten to play the MU.

Freddy only outdamages Reptile on a JIP.... everything else is even.

Same goes for Ermac. Ermac doesn't do above average damage unless he actually lands a JIP b114..... he only gets the normal 40% with 31 or 12 starters. So those arguments are kinda ... wrong.
You aren't throwing shit out against freddy without meter unless you get a spit out. If that hits then you get options, but even then you are still kind of guessing. Freddy doesn't increase damage from JIP's he increases it by burning meter. Freddy has the ability to get 40%+ when he hits just about anything that launches...so idk where you are getting that from. He could also get 20-30% of Unbreakable damage if he hits a raw spike or the glowy dream thingy. (I'm not sure exactly on that one so I widened the range a bit)
 

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
it was really impressive seeing him take out blackula and also doing really well against gross. just imagine how well he would of done if he actually played this game
He would do what he does in every other game he plays seriously. Consistently make top 8.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Most of the stuff he says crushes players beliefs on how the game is played.....

truth hurts. He just doesn't get a chance to consistently prove himself in front of the american idiocracy.
Actually he did at EVO. But because of unforeseen circumstances that isnt fair to compare. F0xy says a lot of stuff many Rain players already do. Ive played a Rain main for about a year and have seen him do many things foxy describes. Don't get me wrong, f0xy has good points but he acts like he is god's gift to the community, so people tend to be pushed away by that.

The truth is Rain RH fishing doesnt always work. If someone gets me with 4 I immediately blade spin, if they full combo me fine(especially if I have breaker), if they dont I get out. Then if he tries it again I can block it and blade spin. Many characters can do this same thing. You just can't sit there and take RH cancels all day, otherwise you give him meter and chip.

Rain isnt bad by any means, but he is definitely not as good as f0xy claims.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
You aren't throwing shit out against freddy without meter unless you get a spit out. If that hits then you get options, but even then you are still kind of guessing. Freddy doesn't increase damage from JIP's he increases it by burning meter. Freddy has the ability to get 40%+ when he hits just about anything that launches...so idk where you are getting that from. He could also get 20-30% of Unbreakable damage if he hits a raw spike or the glowy dream thingy. (I'm not sure exactly on that one so I widened the range a bit)
40% isn't out damaging you then...... not at all.

I see your gripes with this mathup.... but i can also tell that you are so used to the unique mobility of reptile you haven't worked on moving around without the dash.

I'm also not saying the MU can suck hard.

I just think the Reptile community hasn't leveled up .... mainly because as you have said... the most prominent users of the character moved to different characters. I think that time has come.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Actually he did at EVO. But because of unforeseen circumstances that isnt fair to compare. F0xy says a lot of stuff many Rain players already do. Ive played a Rain main for about a year and have seen him do many things foxy describes. Don't get me wrong, f0xy has good points but he acts like he is god's gift to the community, so people tend to be pushed away by that.

The truth is Rain RH fishing doesnt always work. If someone gets me with 4 I immediately blade spin, if they full combo me fine(especially if I have breaker), if they dont I get out. Then if he tries it again I can block it and blade spin. Many characters can do this same thing. You just can't sit there and take RH cancels all day, otherwise you give him meter and chip.

Rain isnt bad by any means, but he is definitely not as good as f0xy claims.
His personality clearly irks you.... not really fair to judge him though.

He is blunt and so are you..... makes sense.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
His personality clearly irks you.... not really fair to judge him though.

He is blunt and so are you..... makes sense.
There's a difference. Im blunt sure, but I dont claim to be better than every Baraka, or Rain, or Kano, or KL, or Sonya(Get my drift). I state my opinion and then people can believe what they want. Some might think my Rain strategy stupid, but it works for me so I do it. F0xy's personality does irk me though, you are right about that.
 

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
I just think the Reptile community hasn't leveled up .... mainly because as you have said... the most prominent users of the character moved to different characters. I think that time has come.
This is an insult to everyone who HAS stuck it out with this character. DO YOU REALLY JUST BELIEVE THAT THIS CHARACTER IS THAT GOOD? All these top players drop him, and pick up better characters for a reason. Am I really that much of a scrub to you people? I just don't know what I'm talking about anymore I guess. I just haven't gotten better or evolved my game at all I'm sure that's what is wrong with my game. It can't be that my character is just not as good as everyone thinks he is in this game. I'll just leave this discussion now I'm clearly not fit to talk about any of it.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
This is an insult to everyone who HAS stuck it out with this character. DO YOU REALLY JUST BELIEVE THAT THIS CHARACTER IS THAT GOOD? All these top players drop him, and pick up better characters for a reason. Am I really that much of a scrub to you people? I just don't know what I'm talking about anymore I guess. I just haven't gotten better or evolved my game at all I'm sure that's what is wrong with my game. It can't be that my character is just not as good as everyone thinks he is in this game. I'll just leave this discussion now I'm clearly not fit to talk about any of it.
no actually...... I typically use your advice and experience more than anyone who posts in the reptile forums.

I mean... look at WHO was picked up..... mostly Sonya. I mean..... you're going from having to work hard in a bunch of matches... to only working hard in like 3. Shrug.
 
This is an insult to everyone who HAS stuck it out with this character. DO YOU REALLY JUST BELIEVE THAT THIS CHARACTER IS THAT GOOD? All these top players drop him, and pick up better characters for a reason. Am I really that much of a scrub to you people? I just don't know what I'm talking about anymore I guess. I just haven't gotten better or evolved my game at all I'm sure that's what is wrong with my game. It can't be that my character is just not as good as everyone thinks he is in this game. I'll just leave this discussion now I'm clearly not fit to talk about any of it.
It's all about familiarity. Those who haven't dedicated most of the last two years to him see him as more than what he is/has I think.
Those who don't understand him think he is much better than what he actually is.
 

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
no actually...... I typically use your advice and experience more than anyone who posts in the reptile forums.

I mean... look at WHO was picked up..... mostly Sonya. I mean..... you're going from having to work hard in a bunch of matches... to only working hard in like 3. Shrug.
My fault man I lost my cool for a sec, that post just hit a nerve. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make though. Why is this character viable with so many hard MU's, most of which are against other viable character, when there are others who have half as many?

Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
My fault man I lost my cool for a sec, that post just hit a nerve. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make though. Why is this character viable with so many hard MU's, most of which are against other viable character, when there are others who have half as many?

Sent from my PG86100 using Tapatalk 2
I personally just think he is.... maybe the last one.
I'd honestly love nothing more than to see any reptile just blast through a pool effortlessly.
But yeah... I was never trying to hit YOUR nerve.... just Reptiles ;) lol.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
I personally think kenshi beats smoke cause of armor and not being able to shake TF. But just my opinion.

Sent from my SCH-R830 using Tapatalk 2
I think the MU is probably even. Smoke is at hella advantage when Kenshi doesn't have meter, and Kenshi has advantage when he does have meter... but has to use it really wisely since that is pretty much the only time he can trade. Regardless of what numbers Smoke players or Kenshi players come up with, this is not a bad MU.