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Question LBSH Are Kitana Players the biggest Down Players in the Kommunity?

Are Kitana PLayers the Biggest Down Players in the Kommunity?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 45.1%
  • No

    Votes: 31 37.8%
  • ummm Smoke Players?

    Votes: 14 17.1%

  • Total voters
    82

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
No ones doubting that bit is the most accomplished Kitana. But saying their are on the same skill level is an accurate statement. I dont see whats wrong with saying that.
Thatss like jr and detroit retiring after final round and today someone saying "jr and detroit are on same level as waffelz and gross despite not playing in tourney in a year"
 

HGTV Soapboxfan

"Always a Pleasure"
she's weird. not many are playing her at her best potential and alot of people aren't fighting her correctly.

I can't think of a word for her situation. Unique is the only word I can think of that describes her credibility.

She's INSANELY good tho. There's no denying that.
You beat me to it. I just picked sonya up so I am certainly not playing her to her potential, but on paper i can see a lot of things she can do that most of the cast may have difficulty with. But until she starts getting played at that level, there is no way to know if her opponents can find a way around it or not. Its really confusing.
 

Peckapowa

Champion
You beat me to it. I just picked sonya up so I am certainly not playing her to her potential, but on paper i can see a lot of things she can do that most of the cast may have difficulty with. But until she starts getting played at that level, there is no way to know if her opponents can find a way around it or not. Its really confusing.
shes better than cage for sure man, d4 ms f1 d1 ms stance f1 d1 m stance f1 ex cartwheel ex cartwheel ex cartwheel d4 ms, imo u keep it simple with her and do a decent job in the footsie game and abuse the threat of your armor u'll do well, u already understand how to crumple your opponent with rushdown, she forces the opponent to make reads.
 

REO

Undead
freddy
kenshi
kabal
lao
???? sonya seems right there but hey smoke is good, i dont think cyrax from a matchup standpoint is there anyone else i cant think of being right

i agree with you she is weird because her strings arent that good but he has 50/50's grab setups broken down 4 and ex cartwheel
Kenshi is not better than or Sonya or top five. He's at number six and people need to learn how to not think of Jade or Kano vs him when doing his tier position.
 

Peckapowa

Champion
Kenshi is not better than or Sonya or top five. He's at number six and people need to learn how to not think of Jade or Kano vs him when doing his tier position.
you think cyrax is better than kenshi? i see your argument though

kenshi loses hard to kabal and lao, the general consensus is he loses to smoke, i think he might lose to freddy from my experience in it, reptile is iffy.... i guess your theory is he loses so hard to kabal and lao(which i would argue isnt 8-2, it is borderline 7-3 but i know im not the most "credible" source) i mean he so good outside htat.

i think you could argue regular cyrax loses to quite a few characters also though, quite a few despite his ridiculousness
 

Peckapowa

Champion
Yes. Cyrax does not have a 2-8 losing match-up and he only has one 3-7. Playing Cyrax is a stroll in the park compared to playing Kenshi.
cyrax gets 7-3'ed by kabal? what about sektor... 8-2 though for lao???? that sounds nuts too me

i also think you could make the argument for him losing too smoke, freddy, liu(not imo though) kitana jax sonya kenshi(i am aware off the weird hitbox thingy with flurries) skarlet and even raiden but u can take a rifle to my head if i see you at a tournament and shoot me for some these claims if u want
 

Espio

Kokomo
Kenshi is not better than or Sonya or top five. He's at number six and people need to learn how to not think of Jade or Kano vs him when doing his tier position.
To be fair though, it's not just them.

It's Kitana, Liu Kang, and Cage who lose badly to him too, solid characters with a lot of tools and options to deal with most of the cast really well, which is part of the perception of him being so dominant.

It might be flawed to say he's top 5 and I'm not disagreeing with you at all by the way, but he does have some pretty one sided match ups versus really good charcters too, which feeds into that perception of him.

Again, not saying it's right or wrong.
 

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
shes better than cage for sure man, d4 ms f1 d1 ms stance f1 d1 m stance f1 ex cartwheel ex cartwheel ex cartwheel d4 ms, imo u keep it simple with her and do a decent job in the footsie game and abuse the threat of your armor u'll do well, u already understand how to crumple your opponent with rushdown, she forces the opponent to make reads.

shouldn't be used at all. you should only cancel d1 into ex cartwheel imo.
 

Peckapowa

Champion
shouldn't be used at all. you should only cancel d1 into ex cartwheel imo.
i think it works, its a 10 frame cancel and there are a ton of ways around it but i think cancel d1 into ms is viable, ur opponent has to be 2-3 frames ahead of the ms cancel , or jump out which can be punish, they could also fast special it or armor somehow but u could cancel into block so only elbow dash would punish it, but i still think cancelling d1 into ms is viabl ebecause it is a 10 frame cancel and there is pushback, obviously its bad if you telegraph it and do it like i said over and over
 

Peckapowa

Champion
To be fair though, it's not just them.

It's Kitana, Liu Kang, and Cage who lose badly to him too, solid characters with a lot of tools and options to deal with most of the cast really well, which is part of the perception of him being so dominant.

It might be flawed to say he's top 5 and I'm not disagreeing with you at all by the way, but he does have some pretty one sided match ups versus really good charcters too, which feeds into that perception of him.

Again, not saying it's right or wrong.
SONYA doesnt do so hot too him but i hear gamerblake makes it feel pretty good for sonyas
 

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
i think it works, its a 10 frame cancel and there are a ton of ways around it but i think cancel d1 into ms is viable, ur opponent has to be 2-3 frames ahead of the ms cancel , or jump out which can be punish, they could also fast special it or armor somehow, but i still think cancelling d1 into ms is viabl ebecause it is a 10 frame cancel and there is pushback
it can be interrupted by a full combo. sonya players love to do d1 ms overhead tackle and that can be interrupted by a full combo with kitana with standing 2, which comes out in 11 frames. Imagine what people like cage, kang and kabal can do to d1 ms with their fast, advancing normals.

also, tackle comes out in 12 frames. f1 comes out in 15 frames. if d1 ms tackle gets blown up, then d1 ms f1 would get blown up.

if you're gonna cancel d1 into ms, at least cancel the ms into ex cartwheel to beat the counterpokes or the armor coming at you. other than that, d1 ex cartwheel is the way to go imo.
 

REO

Undead
cyrax gets 7-3'ed by kabal? what about sektor... 8-2 though for lao???? that sounds nuts too me

i also think you could make the argument for him losing too smoke, freddy, liu(not imo though) kitana jax sonya kenshi(i am aware off the weird hitbox thingy with flurries) skarlet and even raiden but u can take a rifle to my head if i see you at a tournament and shoot me for some these claims if u want
It's 8-2. You would have to play someone as sound with Lao as PL to understand why that match-up is horrendous for Kenshi. PL's style combined with the weakness of Kenshi make it so he is the best at exploiting Kenshi's weakness in that match-up.

To be fair though, it's not just them.

It's Kitana, Liu Kang, and Cage who lose badly to him too, solid characters with a lot of tools and options to deal with most of the cast really well, which is part of the perception of him being so dominant.

It might be flawed to say he's top 5 and I'm not disagreeing with you at all by the way, but he does have some pretty one sided match ups versus really good charcters too, which feeds into that perception of him.

Again, not saying it's right or wrong.
You have valid reasons but I think we're all forgetting that one of the main reasons Kenshi is EVEN look as a "top five" character is because of Pig. If it wasn't for Pig, no one would be looking at Kenshi as anything close to top five. Pig's placements and success mislead a lot of the newcomers into thinking Kenshi is way better than he really is.


Doesn't Kenshi have like, 4+ bad MUs? How could he be top 5 with that many bad MUs?
A lot of players feel he loses to:

Kung Lao
Kabal
Freddy
Reptile
Smoke
Cyrax
Skarlet (some say, I could see it)


By the way, I liked your post by accident. I'm not going to take my like back because I had someone do it to me once and it hurt.