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Match-up Discussion My Final Judgment on Sonya vs. Kitana

Death

Noob
This is what it boils down to -

The majority of Sonyas are saying 5-5
The majority of Kitanas are saying 6-4

It's not about which community is better than the other. We can have Sao talking all day about his brother but then on the other side you still have people like 16bit saying otherwise. One of our groups is downplaying. We need a group of matchup policemen outside this to solve the problem.
If you keep going on with this non sense I may say 6-4 kit
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
Invincibility frames on Wake-Up. It applies even to normal specials.

He is saying the invincibility on wakeup Ass wears off as she is getting off the ground and your d+4 will float her. If you are mistiming the punish it's your fault and something you need to work on. You were trying to say "if the wakeup ass is timed correctly" Kitty gets away for free. That's not the case. If you're mistiming it the fault is on the Sonya player.
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
He is saying the invincibility on wakeup Ass wears off as she is getting off the ground and your d+4 will float her. If you are mistiming the punish it's your fault and something you need to work on. You were trying to say "if the wakeup ass is timed correctly" Kitty gets away for free. That's not the case. If you're mistiming it the fault is on the Sonya player.
Very true. I get hit out of my wakeup ass attempts all the time and end up having to use EX to get out.
 

Death

Noob
He is saying the invincibility on wakeup Ass wears off as she is getting off the ground and your d+4 will float her. If you are mistiming the punish it's your fault and something you need to work on. You were trying to say "if the wakeup ass is timed correctly" Kitty gets away for free. That's not the case. If you're mistiming it the fault is on the Sonya player.
Man get out of here. Kitana gets up for free every time
 

Death

Noob
No ma
sonya wins 6-4
i'll keep saying it until everyone agrees
might take a while
everyone will agree on this match sooner or later
No man. She can just throw fans and ass out when she's cornered. It's tough to get the lead back. Not to mention the range on her strings. 5-5
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
No ma

No man. She can just throw fans and ass out when she's cornered. It's tough to get the lead back. Not to mention the range on her strings. 5-5
Have you guys ever tried NJP on her wakeup?

This is something nobody does...that bitch tries to go airborne? DUNK DAT HOE!

Actually, cross up JP, late DK?
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
This must be the only MU where fan zoning is still a key talking point. Everytime this MU is discussed it's like we've gone back into a time warp and it's EVO 2011.
 

GamerBlake90

Blue Blurs for Life!
Have you guys ever tried NJP on her wakeup?

This is something nobody does...that bitch tries to go airborne? DUNK DAT HOE!

Actually, cross up JP, late DK?
Enjoy eating a Fan Cutter or Fan Lift if you guess wrong.

The ass as a Wake-Up, when timed right, ensures a good escape route, but it doesn't always have to be done as a Wake-Up. As long as you correctly judge the distance at which you will land from Sonya, she can't touch you. There ARE other characters with specials that can punish it, though...Sub-Zero's slide, Raiden's superman, etc.

As for the air fans, they don't exist solely to deal damage. They control space. You can walk and duck them, but a hybrid Kitana who knows how to abuse the range of her f2 1 and 2 1 will intimidate you from even trying to get in. There's also the problem that she'll build a good amount of meter by the time you reach her. One-bar hit-confirmable combos that lead to about 50% are not something I want to eat.
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
Enjoy eating a Fan Cutter or Fan Lift if you guess wrong.

The ass as a Wake-Up, when timed right, ensures a good escape route, but it doesn't always have to be done as a Wake-Up. As long as you correctly judge the distance at which you will land from Sonya, she can't touch you. There ARE other characters with specials that can punish it, though...Sub-Zero's slide, Raiden's superman, etc.

As for the air fans, they don't exist solely to deal damage. They control space. You can walk and duck them, but a hybrid Kitana who knows how to abuse the range of her f2 1 and 2 1 will intimidate you from even trying to get in. There's also the problem that she'll build a good amount of meter by the time you reach her. One-bar hit-confirmable combos that lead to about 50% are not something I want to eat.


There is no "timed right" on wakeup ass. It seems like you don't get how wakeup attacks work.

Sonya has some of the best tools in the game to deal with Kitana's footsies. She literally has the best normal in the game for dealing with Kitana's 2,1.

It takes 27 whiffed fans to build a single bar of meter. Get out of here with that ancient talking point.
 

GamerBlake90

Blue Blurs for Life!
There is no "timed right" on wakeup ass. It seems like you don't get how wakeup attacks work.
They get ten frames of invincibility if performed at the right frame after a knockdown. EX Specials get twenty, though with some armored specials like EX Cartwheel, it's a moot point. Some specials can't even be done as a Wake-Up.

Don't tell me I don't know how Wake-Up attacks work.

It takes 27 whiffed fans to build a single bar of meter. Get out of here with that ancient talking point.
Yes, I know it takes 27. But if you can build it, go for it, why not?
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
On cross up, though, they won't do shit to you. And since it's a well timed JP, you will be stuffing ass.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
They get ten frames of invincibility if performed at the right frame after a knockdown. EX Specials get twenty, though with some armored specials like EX Cartwheel, it's a moot point. Some specials can't even be done as a Wake-Up.

Don't tell me I don't know how Wake-Up attacks work.



Yes, I know it takes 27. But if you can build it, go for it, why not?
You do know that ass out takes 20 frames until the first active frame? It's very stuffable.