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Match-up Discussion IMO Jade's Honest Matchup Numbers

6-4. To correct myself, I forgot about her armor against EX dash, so yeah, I was wrong about that. But other than that, there's not much you can do to shift it to even.
Not without a patch lol. I'm thinking if she had Liu's speed of projectile it would be a lot harder for the lizard.
 

THTB

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Not without a patch lol. I'm thinking if she had Liu's speed of projectile it would be a lot harder for the lizard.
Yeah, as it stands, low rang should be a big tool vs Reptile. That cuts off his mobility a lot. But it's slow, and it's -21 on block. The match would likely actually be even.
 
Yeah, as it stands, low rang should be a big tool vs Reptile. That cuts off his mobility a lot. But it's slow, and it's -21 on block. The match would likely actually be even.
Omg is it slow lol, SOOO much time to react. forceballs are slow, but at least they take up room and can't be ducked lol....and launch.
 

BillStickers

Do not touch me again.
Wow, love you guys but these matchup numbers are all wrong. You are being waaaay too generous to Jade.
Kabal is 2-8 at best if the Kabal knows what he's doing (ie 2~ndc)
Kenshi is 1-9. Absolutely terrible.
Kung Lao is either 3-7 or 2-8.
Smoke is worse than 4-6
Cyrax is worse than 4-6
Baraka does not feel 5-5 to me at all. I'd say 4-6 in his favor.
Reptile is terrible. Properly timed projectiles will force her to respect them due to flash's cooldown.
Freddy is at least 3-7.
Lots of others are off too. I dont mean to be a downer but this chart is far from "honest"
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
OMFG a match up discussion! Quick! Everyone disagree with it until we have 20+ pages of bickering!

I tease. I more or less agree with it. As they say YMMV, which is why I never get too in the tier lists and MU discussions.

For example, I'd call Jade vs Baraka 6-4 his favor. Or less, that decimal thing. It's a slight advantage, but I think he has it here. Playing another Baraka/Jade main frequently, I run this match up as both characters against someone else who knows the match up well. It's not a slaughter but Jade desperately needs meter in this fight. And Baraka can just piss it away if he wants and have a full bar again for a few sparks and charges.

I'd call CSZ even - but I haven't fought enough of them to firmly believe it. And I'd say Reptile and Kenshi have a few more notches in their favor lol. But again, lack of experience on Reptile - especially offline. So I could definitely be wrong there.

I'm curious. How is Kitana 4-6? Jade shuts down her zoning, but she's got a good rush down. It's hard to keep her out. I've always thought it was a fun match, but even or slightly favoring kitty. TELL ME THE SECRET DAMN IT :)
I think Jade could be 6-4 for baraka. I have no experience in the matchup though so I cannot comment.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Wow, love you guys but these matchup numbers are all wrong. You are being waaaay too generous to Jade.
Kabal is 2-8 at best if the Kabal knows what he's doing (ie 2~ndc)
Kenshi is 1-9. Absolutely terrible.
Kung Lao is either 3-7 or 2-8.
Smoke is worse than 4-6
Cyrax is worse than 4-6
Baraka does not feel 5-5 to me at all. I'd say 4-6 in his favor.
Reptile is terrible. Properly timed projectiles will force her to respect them due to flash's cooldown.
Freddy is at least 3-7.
Lots of others are off too. I dont mean to be a downer but this chart is far from "honest"
Kabal - Possible 2-8, I still think 3-7 is the sweet spot.
Kenshi - It's 2-8. Glow makes it so.
Kung Lao - Possible 3-7.
Smoke - It's 4-6.
Cyrax - It's 4-6.
Baraka - What makes Baraka win 6-4 exactly? I have never felt over whelmed or completely out of my element against a Baraka...
Reptile - Would consider making it 4-6 based on comments here.
Freddy - Possible 3-7, but for now I still think 4-6.


If you would like to post your explanations I would be glad to entertain them.
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
STB TakeAChance, why you think jade loses 3-7 skarlet?

indeed Skarlet is quicker, but Jades armor makes a huge difference, i think she only loses 4-6 and not 3-7
I think it's a 3-7. Skarlet is in the drivers seat this whole match. Jade can't even reliably start offense because of the threat of the down dagger. Skarlets meter building and pressure really shut Jade down.
 

Miss Kanzuki

*KANZUKI GOON SQUAD*
For example, I'd call Jade vs Baraka 6-4 his favor. Or less, that decimal thing. It's a slight advantage, but I think he has it here. Playing another Baraka/Jade main frequently, I run this match up as both characters against someone else who knows the match up well. It's not a slaughter but Jade desperately needs meter in this fight. And Baraka can just piss it away if he wants and have a full bar again for a few sparks and charges.
Yea his d4 can shut down her pressure game and even with zoning she can't keep him out forever. I agree, this is one match up I could see why there would be a 5.5-4.5 but I prefer the integers :)
 

Runiix

the only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta
Isnt it more 7-3 vs. Kung? Or what am i missing?

Can she really "rushdown" Noob better than he can zone her?
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Kitana vs. Jade could be a 3-7 MU.
I actually agree with this. I struggled with it being 4-6 or 3-7.

I think we know it better than anyone, but I just assumed perhaps it was because I play some pretty high level Kitanna players. I would not argue in the slightest if it was changed 3-7. Not anymore.
 
I know little about Jade. Tell me why it's 6-4 in Scorpion's favor.
When you played my Jade I told you why it was 6-4 Scorpion. Hellfire sets the pace of the MU. He doesn't have to respect any of her ranged options. Any attempt at using projectiles is punished by hellfire/ teleport on reaction, which also leads to Vortex. That forces jade to play a more footsie oriented style, and all Scorpion has to do is stick to her inside sweep range. She dominates outside of sweep because she has better range.
 
Well I that Quan beats Jade 6-4. I mean he has 90% combos and she has like 30%. Plus go ahead and glow I'll just not zone and you can't zone cause I can trance you while you throw your boomerang glow or no glow. So therefore we both have to play upclose and quan's rushdown is better. I mean they both have shit normals, but can has mixups and nuetral strings and such. And his only string that you can ex glow to get out of is b3 1+2 which isn't even a very useful string if you look at the facts. It's just gimmicky and you will not be able to ex glow it on reaction. I just don't think that characters with those big of a damage difference can be even.
I respect your opinion, but damage isn't a end-all, be-all in terms of MUs. if it was, you would have to pretty much bump all of Cyrax's MUs up by 1. Noob would also take a hit in terms of MUs because he's had the lowest damage output in the game in open space.
 

Deity

Noob
I think freddy is 7-3 in his favor. Jade loses from far-screen due to poor zoning, she also has trouble mid-screen due to NMS lowering freddy's hitbox, Jade's up close pressure is also lack luster when compared with freddy's
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
I think freddy is 7-3 in his favor. Jade loses from far-screen due to poor zoning, she also has trouble mid-screen due to NMS lowering freddy's hitbox, Jade's up close pressure is also lack luster when compared with freddy's
Jade needs to stay mid, and basically use her flash and staff slam. It messes with freddy more than you would think.
 

Big D

Relevant In An Irrelevant Time
Just out of curiosity, how is Jade Nightwolf 5-5? I always thought Nightwolf beat her...
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Fair enough.
If you have one, I would gladly entertain it.

The reason why your nightwolf does well against my Jade, is because you are a better player than I. It boils down to fundamentals, not me screaming bullshit at the television.
 
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DanCock

Cock Master!!
I can't take this list serious sorry. If it were mr mileenas, runwaymafia, Espio, bird song.

She wins over subby?? 6-4 over sindel :confused:. 6-4 over noob WTF.


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