Clayman
you don't get it, do you?
Count risk-reward for ermac zoning noob, then u'll get it. Also note that moves like forcepush and throw wont do any good for ermac sending noob fullscreen away.
Count risk-reward for ermac zoning noob, then u'll get it. Also note that moves like forcepush and throw wont do any good for ermac sending noob fullscreen away.
That is the exact time of scorpion I played sooooo...
The lift can't punish the up knee on block because it's +4 on block (+10 max range). Whiff you probably can, as for the teleport, the saibot could have MU experience and easily bait a teleport. From full screen it can be a nightmare for ermac to get back froth noob if he knocks you down with a shadow. You have to block the next shadow if knocked down because his shadow tackle studs wake up teleport. (as for TKP and Lift I am unaware of and will look into further) how do you go about the match may I ask?
SMH, not again.
I'll take the chance to ask what SMH and LBSH mean.SMH, not again.
SMH= shake my head. LBSH= Let's be serious here
You can't outzone Ermac with Shang. max range TKP just wont get punished, and even normal TKP needs a pretty accurate timing to get countered with an SS. IMO Shang may have something in full screen with Ground Skulls, but Ermac can close the gap with F2 and use the advantage to start zoning. Problem for Shang is he can't place Ermac where he needs, Full screen where TKP doesn't reach or close for pressure. And even in close pressure Ermac can counter and start his own close offense.
My point is that Ermac puts himself at far greater risk if he is trying to zone than Shang does because of EX GS's into a full combo. F+2? Ermac is DEAD if that whiffs. And I really must know what this offense of Ermac's is. Why hasn't anyone seen it? Ermac CANNOT get out of pressure effectively because he has no armor, and his D+3 is negative on hit and block. This just leaves him with D+1, which Shang can full combo punish. Outside of generic down pokes, all of Shang's normals are faster. How does Ermac compete upclose? Also, it isn't hard to put the SS on screen after force push is blocked: If Ermac does anything except block, the SS will hit. I do it consistently.
Believe me, I played Rep's MU since day 1. Ermac zones Reptile. The end. Reptile's slimeballs are just too slow on execution to beat Ermac's fireball. Once Reptile get's deprived of this, you just wait for the mistake. Blocked dash? 1-2 lift into combo. Blocked spit can also be punished with TKP depending on the distance.
You all have valid points. But what happens when Reptile gets in? Ermac has trouble getting out of pressure, and once Ermac gets knocked down, his life gets a whole lot worse.
I haven't analyzed Shang's Frame Data, but I'll tell you that with proper poking Ermac may escape. And d3 on hit is only -2 (actually on advantage if crouching) so you won't be able to get ALL that much of a continuous pressure.
only -2?
Which of Ermac's pokes puts him at +2? +2 is a big deal when all of Ermac's moves are slower. And lol I just realized that even Ermac's D+3 is full combo punishable by Shang.
i meant from shangs point of view, the whole deal is about escaping shangs constant +2 gs frametraps and he's talking about putting himself back to -2 again
I'd love to see it, because I see nothing in the frame data that suggests that Ermac has an answer. If you are talking about the air blast, then you are severely mistaken. D+1 and F+4 will both hit you before you have the chance. Pretty much the only thing different that I saw from Detroit's Ermac is his use of air forceball. While this is good, I don't see how it makes his offense that great.
Ermac's d3 is at +5f on hit vs crouched opponents and no you cannot punish a max ranged d3 on block with Shang. You keep saying Shang destroys Ermac everywhere on the screen but i have yet to see footage of you doing what you claim, or any other ST player out there. Until i see a match between a high lvl ST and a high lvl US Ermac player this MU is even in my book.
Where are your MU videos? And even if the D+3 is max range and stops a punish, I can at least get free pressure. And there is no reason for Shang to be crouching against Ermac, so I don't think you will get that advantage very often. The worst part is that you probably aren't coming to Dallas so you get to continue talking about the MU without ever backing it up. I will try to get some games with Zaf at Dallas and will then come back with my final verdict.
