What is Wrong With These People!? - The U.S. Politics Discussion Thread

[rev0lver]

Revolver, I've already proved how and why weed effects ones better judgement, you're going into this other category of something killing your brain or killing you. Again, that's not what 'm saying, despite whether it does or not at this point means nothing as from research, personal experiences and "science" all coming to the same conclusion.

As for the rest of weed being legal or not, well that's your opinion. I'm sure if majority felt the same way, it would have been passed already by now.

The majority of people do feel that way. Congressmen don't vote for things people like and vote for things people don't like.

You think you proved something about weed affecting judgement? Where? Smh do I have to go over this again, I thought I already beat that point to the ground enough...

What are you talking about something killing your brain? I'm talking about killing brain CELLS, that was what the argument was about since it started. You seem to have some odd form of dyslexia that removes words from sentences or something...

GNG Iniquity , they're actually moving to Carrboro (idk how it's spelled), which is apparently like a liberal oasis lol. My mom's a republican, but they're all into the organic food stuff there which my mom likes.

Under_The_Mayo Obama supporting gay marriage? Who called this? Oh yeah, I did.

 

[MKF30]

rev,

Whatever dude, believe what you want to believe. I know you're pro weed and it's obvious, I'm not and that's obvious so yeah. lol you seem to have selective reading. I can tell you shooting a slingshot at a certain angle at someone's head could kill you with even the smaller ammo, and you'd be like "no it wouldn't lol"

Anywho, moving on. This Obama "supporting Gay marriage thing" is done for one reason and one reason only. To help his chances getting re-elected, it's funny first he's "against it" now he's "for it" lol whatever helps him get votes I guess...smh lol.

P.S. concerning Gay marriage for Civil Unions whatever, I don't even care anymore to be honest. He's just waving a big flag today to the gay and lesbian people saying "hey guys I support same sex marriage, now vote for me!"

 

[rev0lver]

Whatever dude, believe what you want to believe. I know you're pro weed and it's obvious, I'm not and that's obvious so yeah. lol

Anywho, moving on. This Obama "supporting Gay marriage thing" is done for one reason and one reason only. To help his chances getting re-elected, it's funny first he's "against it" now he's "for it" lol whatever helps him get votes I guess...smh lol.

P.S. concerning Gay marriage for Civil Unions whatever, I don't even care anymore to be honest. He's just waving a big flag today to the gay and lesbian people saying "hey guys I support same sex marriage, now vote for me!"

1. How many times do I have to explain it's not about what I "believe"? I was staunchly against marijuana use before I found out that it's actually not dangerous. This is because of science, which I have explained over and over again and you haven't countered anything. Science is on my side, I have firmly established that and you've only established that you think it's on yours without any reasoning.

2. LOL, you think supporting gay marriage helps you get re-elected? You need to learn a thing or two about political science. This can only hurt him in the polls.

 

[Flagg]

David Cameron has also just come out the closet, so to speak, in support of same sex marriage.

It's a good thing being done for the wrong reasons, but hey, it's about time.

 

[Hellbringer]

I'm sure alcohol and tobacco industries wouldn't want weed legalized perhaps do to "more competition" besides each other, but even if it does get green lit, I'm sure tobacco and alcohol industries would still be ok for sure.

Don't underestimate the power of those big companies man. It might be abit far fetched but just my opinion, but i also think one of the reasons why we still drive on fuel made of oil is because those big oil companies have influence in it to keep selling oil as long as they can( not that very long anymore).Oil, one of the reasons of wars...

 

[TarkatanDentist]

2. LOL, you think supporting gay marriage helps you get re-elected? You need to learn a thing or two about political science. This can only hurt him in the polls.

I really, really want to tell you that I think you're wrong... but unfortunately I can't be so sure. People on the whole don't tend to like big changes, even if it's obviously for the greater good...

See, as far as I'm concerned, I don't see why it should even need legislation in the first place? The right to marry is a human right. LGBTQ rights are human rights. Ergo, same-sex marriage is a human right. Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

 

[Hellbringer]

2. LOL, you think supporting gay marriage helps you get re-elected? You need to learn a thing or two about political science. This can only hurt him in the polls.

I really hope it does hurt him and all his votes go to Ron Paul.

 

[MKF30]

1. How many times do I have to explain it's not about what I "believe"? I was staunchly against marijuana use before I found out that it's actually not dangerous. This is because of science, which I have explained over and over again and you haven't countered anything. Science is on my side, I have firmly established that and you've only established that you think it's on yours without any reasoning.

2. LOL, you think supporting gay marriage helps you get re-elected? You need to learn a thing or two about political science. This can only hurt him in the polls.

Yeah dude, whatever you say man!! Uh huh, sure. Go Revolver! I'm sure you know a lot more then everyone else on the subject. Yeah, the same people who support Scientology have said that too "science is on my side" but that doesn't necessarily make it "100% true" I've given you reasons already but you've chose to ignore them.

Lol, if you can't see that Obama is doing this for "political reasons" then you're more blind then I thought you were...he's a flip-flopper with this topic, period. Would you like me to provide links of him saying he's against Gay marriage, now all of a sudden ohh I support it!! Wonder why...it won't hurt him, if he was against it it would hurt him being as how his opposition is more opposed then his party is.

Don't underestimate the power of those big companies man. It might be abit far fetched but just my opinion, but i also think one of the reasons why we still drive on fuel made of oil is because those big oil companies have influence in it to keep selling oil as long as they can( not that very long anymore).Oil, one of the reasons of wars...

Oh I won't, I mean look how far they go with promoting and advertising to kids even...and I'm sure the same thing would happen with pot, but people won't care as long as they get their fix. Oh yeah I'm sure a lot of wars are about oil, not all or the only reason but definitely part of it I'm sure. Also, oil in various places on Earth are hard to come by but here for example we have more in Alaska but some people are opposed to digging for it...

But yeah, on Ron Paul I agree, hell at this point I'd vote for almost anyone over Obama...for various reasons.

 

[rev0lver]

Any politician will tell you that public support for gay marriage, unless you live in a heavily democratic state/area, is political suicide. I can't imagine that his advisors supported his decision to do this. This whole time Obama's political move has been to be AGAINST gay marriage to gain centrist support.

Dislexsik , any democrat voting for Paul is giving a vote to Romney, and any republican voting for Paul is giving a vote to Obama. That's really all that happens in elections.

 

[rev0lver]

Yeah dude, whatever you say man!! Uh huh, sure. Go Revolver! I'm sure you know a lot more then everyone else on the subject. Yeah, the same people who support Scientology have said that too "science is on my side" but that doesn't necessarily make it "100% true" I've given you reasons already but you've chose to ignore them.

Lol, if you can't see that Obama is doing this for "political reasons" then you're more blind then I thought you were...he's a flip-flopper with this topic, period. Would you like me to provide links of him saying he's against Gay marriage, now all of a sudden ohh I support it!! Wonder why...it won't hurt him, if he was against it it would hurt him being as how his opposition is more opposed then his party is.

1. What scientologists use science to back themselves up? Lol, the only reason for the "science" part of their name is because of science fiction. What are you talking about? I don't "claim" to have science on my side, I demonstrate it. You have only demonstrated ignorance and a lack of knowledge about the subject and research methods.

2. Lol what? What voters is he picking up by supporting gay marriage? The far left that was already going to vote for him? Presidential election strategy requires you to be moderate, which is why so many politicians are afraid to come out in support for gay marriage. His only political move was to say he was against it.

 

[MKF30]

It's not really giving a vote to Romney or Obama, but rather taking away from both of them...

Who said I was referring to "scientists" exclusively? There are various people, celebs etc who believe in scientology who aren't scientists, yet have big influence...actually, you've demonstrated ignorance and selective reading but sure, dude like I said believe what you want. I know you think you know everything but in time you'll learn you don't know as much as you thought you did...​

Presidential tactics require you to be slick and do whatever it takes to get re-elected, the thing is whether or not questionable tactics actually work on the people or not. I really don't see the big deal with this Gay marriage thing, for one it's trivial compared to the economy etc, secondly ok let's put it this way. Obama is doing this for votes, no other reason...​

However, will it hurt or help him is yet to be seen. There's really a few arguments to that, but either way it makes him look like a flip flopper on the subject.​

 

[F.Sanchez(trojanmann22)]

Fuck the police

 

[rev0lver]

It's not really giving a vote to Romney or Obama, but rather taking away from both of them...

Who said I was referring to "scientists" exclusively? There are various people, celebs etc who believe in scientology who aren't scientists, yet have big influence...actually, you've demonstrated ignorance and selective reading but sure, dude like I said believe what you want. I know you think you know everything but in time you'll learn you don't know as much as you thought you did...​

Presidential tactics require you to be slick and do whatever it takes to get re-elected, the thing is whether or not questionable tactics actually work on the people or not. I really don't see the big deal with this Gay marriage thing, for one it's trivial compared to the economy etc, secondly ok let's put it this way. Obama is doing this for votes, no other reason...​

However, will it hurt or help him is yet to be seen. There's really a few arguments to that, but either way it makes him look like a flip flopper on the subject.​

I know the reason for voting for a 3rd candidate is because you believe in that candidate, but in practice it's only taking away from the major candidate you would otherwise cast your vote for.

Where did this scientology shit come from? What are you even talking about? I demonstrate why I'm right by backing up something that is the general consensus of the scientific community, you attempted selective reading and only proved my own point. You completely failed in this argument. It has nothing to do with what I think. When I first started researching marijuana back in high school, I started with the hypothesis that it was bad, and I proved myself wrong. Instead, what you're doing is starting with the same hypothesis, and refusing to change it simply because you dislike what you find.

It's yet to be seen? The whole lesson learned from the Dukakis campaign was to stay moderate. The ones supporting gay marriage are the ones who were already going to vote for him. If it was a political tactic it is a MASSIVE risk that will most likely hurt him.

 

[MKF30]

Obviously ^ I agree, that's why I had said while voters vote for that third wheel out of real loyalty and beliefs, it merely takes away votes from the two main contenders.

I brought up the scientology point as a witty point since I read a few people who believe in it said the exact same thing you did with "science backs me up" or whatever...

You really do read what you want to read, I don't know why you're even trying to convince me of such. Well, depends on your definition of "bad" it's like good and evil to some people, what one may see as "bad" may be "good" to another...but negative? Now that's a different story...

I've never thought all drugs were bad, if that were true I wouldn't take any(even over the counter ones) believe me, I know people like that who feel very against all drugs despite good or bad for you. I can say the same thing about your perspective with pot, you're disregarding all negatives and going with "it should just be legal" You're going by one election, I'm going by majority. You realize Obama is the first ever president to support gay marriage now right? Like I said, he's doing it to try to help himself, the reason since he's so passionately said several times "he's against Gay marriage" now the question is how it'll effect him getting re-elected...

These guys/politicians will say or do anything to get voters, what it comes down to. It's just some are more shady and flip-floppy then others.

 

[Hellbringer]

All i say can about making drugs legal is this:

 

[Verstande]

Wait, I don't see why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed? If it has to do with religion, well, maybe someone forgot one of the main purposes why the U.S. was created in the first place?

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

David Cameron has also just come out the closet, so to speak, in support of same sex marriage.

It's a good thing being done for the wrong reasons, but hey, it's about time.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

Under_The_Mayo Obama supporting gay marriage? Who called this? Oh yeah, I did.

It would be nice, but I`ll believe it when I actually see it happen.

""I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them," said Obama on Sunday. "So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other. I don't think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state. If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans. That's my view.""

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

Wait, I don't see why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed? If it has to do with religion, well, maybe someone forgot one of the main purposes why the U.S. was created in the first place?

Indeed! The US was created as a haven for the religious freaks that were too crazy for Europe.

 

[TarkatanDentist]

It annoys me more than it should when same-sex marriage is called 'gay marriage'. And really, if the civil union he's talking about is basically identical to marriage, as he claims, then what's wrong with just calling it marriage anyway?

Seriously, when it's legalised, I can guarantee you that within 10 years almost everyone will have stopped moaning about it. After all, interracial marriages were unacceptable comparatively recently, and how many people do you see that are against them now?

 

[Abra Kapocus]

A strawman? Of that't right, you want "more gun control," but you aren't anti- gun.

You never did address that death threat you made to Jan Brewer.

I might agree with you on something, if you make death threats to members of the Government, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

Yeah, I DID address the "death threat." Perhaps I could have worded it a little better, but I had sort of a flare for the dramatic. I meant to frame it as a hypothetical situation to showcase the hypocrisy of the gun nuts on the right (ie: "I wonder how they would react on gun issues if a republican were shot"). Selective reading much? If you're not a soc account for MKF, you're at the very least borrowing from his playbook.

Let me ask you something. If I want there to be laws in place to keep unfit people from driving and creating unnecessary danger for those of us who are fit to drive, am I "anti-car?" Think about that the next time you ignorantly assume that I'm anti-gun. It's called nuance. Look into it.

 

[nwo]

Yeah, I DID address the "death threat." Perhaps I could have worded it a little better, but I had sort of a flare for the dramatic. I meant to frame it as a hypothetical situation to showcase the hypocrisy of the gun nuts on the right (ie: "I wonder how they would react on gun issues if a republican were shot"). Selective reading much? If you're not a soc account for MKF, you're at the very least borrowing from his playbook.

Let me ask you something. If I want there to be laws in place to keep unfit people from driving and creating unnecessary danger for those of us who are fit to drive, am I "anti-car?" Think about that the next time you ignorantly assume that I'm anti-gun. It's called nuance. Look into it.

These laws are already in place. The world is a dangerous place, it always has been and it always will be. I don't know what you mean by "gun nuts on the right," I'm not on the "right" or the "left" so don't get confused. I'm for the constitution. The second amendment is under assault like you wouldn't believe and even main line liberals are starting to figure this out and are buying guns. Gun sales are at an all time high right now, I'm trying to find the exact numbers, but I know in one month alone in 2012, something like 5 million guns were sold in the United States, which dwarfs previous records.

 

[Abra Kapocus]

Under assault? Source, or the second amendment is fine, and you can stop your bitching. (lol, puns)

What pretense you exhibit when you say you're for the constitution, as if to somehow imply that no one else is. Get over yourself. For that matter, what makes you think the constitution, as it was written, is somehow an infallible document that doesn't need to evolve with changing times? Count the amendments. Was it perfect the way it was before women had the right to vote? How about when it counted black people as 3/5ths of a person? Personally, I'd rather not be governed by the dead. This isn't the old west anymore. The world has changed drastically, and the constitution needs to change in order to properly deal with it.

I'm going to assume that you have no idea what nuance is, let alone what hypothetical means, since you completely brushed off my example. Think of it as though the aforementioned laws for driving didn't exist, and then ask yourself the same question.

By "gun nuts on the right," I mean just that (I don't imply in the slightest that gun nuts can't exist in the center or on the left, but this isn't directed toward those groups). Those who are hard right and wholly irrational about anything having to do with gun laws. There are tons of them in AZ, and we didn't hear a peep out of them when Gabby Giffords was shot by one of them. Would their silence be just as deafening if one of their GOP champions were gunned down by a pissed off lefty? I somehow doubt that.

Ugh, it's like I'm talking to a twelve-year-old.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Thank god Obama has grown some balls.

Now I just wish he would get rid of religion in politics. I appreciate people's right to worship who they want but god damnet Christianity is a plague to any progress or change in the government.

 

[nwo]

Under assault? Source, or the second amendment is fine, and you can stop your bitching. (lol, puns)

What pretense you exhibit when you say you're for the constitution, as if to somehow imply that no one else is. Get over yourself. For that matter, what makes you think the constitution, as it was written, is somehow an infallible document that doesn't need to evolve with changing times? Count the amendments. Was it perfect the way it was before women had the right to vote? How about when it counted black people as 3/5ths of a person? Personally, I'd rather not be governed by the dead. This isn't the old west anymore. The world has changed drastically, and the constitution needs to change in order to properly deal with it.

I'm going to assume that you have no idea what nuance is, let alone what hypothetical means, since you completely brushed off my example. Think of it as though the aforementioned laws for driving didn't exist, and then ask yourself the same question.

By "gun nuts on the right," I mean just that (I don't imply in the slightest that gun nuts can't exist in the center or on the left, but this isn't directed toward those groups). Those who are hard right and wholly irrational about anything having to do with gun laws. There are tons of them in AZ, and we didn't hear a peep out of them when Gabby Giffords was shot by one of them. Would their silence be just as deafening if one of their GOP champions were gunned down by a pissed off lefty? I somehow doubt that.

Ugh, it's like I'm talking to a twelve-year-old.

Source or the second amendment is fine? The constitution is an evolving document? Yeah, I've heard this before from super radical left wing idiots. No one said the constitution was perfect, but its the closest thing to it. My guess is, you won't fit in very well in AZ. Have you heard about the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that Obama signed on December 31, 2011? Or how about Operation Fast and Furious? Or how about this radical video of Attorney General Eric Holder saying how they need to "brainwash" children into thinking guns are bad?