Reason we do .5's is b/c there are mu's that are a certain number like a 6-4 but it rlly isnt that much of a slight advantage nor is it even so we use .5's. Also since its out of 10 matches meaning out of 100% there are 55%'s 65%'s and such. Finally the ,5 system helps break tie breakers. In no way shape or form should their be a tie in a tier list. If there is then something is wrong w/ 1 or more Mu's
I'm not a Cyrax player so... but the reason I stated that was based on the assumption that this match is genuinely in Kabal's favour and not slightly. That's why I wanted to know what a 6-4 meant to you. I always believed it was Cyrax's worst match. Kabal's zoning can avoid a Cyrax minefield and teleport doesn't really help. How can Cyrax get in? Maybe Human Cyrax has a better chance idk...that will just become too confusing.
I think 6-4 shares the same purpose as a 5.5 would in your chart, only we do not have to deal with .5's. At the end of the day, the numbers don't matter as much as what we label a match-up. But obviously we need to have some sort of universal agreement till we can produce an entire community chart. It's either .5's or not. If a match was considered 5.5-4.5 that means slight advantage right? Well without decimals then 6-4 represents the same thing, because it is the next thing after even. Also we allow ourselves to move into 7-3 and 8-2 territory with more regularity instead of having a concentrated set of results barely pushing past 6-4.
Thing is though 5.5 is slight advantage while 6-4 is just advantage at least in my eyes. The main concern I have is ties w/ other characters. .5 system helps steer away from that.
minefields arent what win cyrax matches
I know but normally you can use the bombs and nets to try and lure somebody in because Cyrax has a pretty good up close game. That doesn't work as well vs Kabal as it does vs others who can outzone Cyrax. Plus I asked you what is the match-up like up close. Also for the third time, what does a 6-4 mean to you? Slight advantage? Significant advantage?
I completely agree with Sonya beating Cyrax. I assumed Cage beat Cyrax cuz I remmeber Curbo and Maxter saying Cage rapes Cyrax. But Cyrax beating Mileena? What gives Cyrax that slight edge in that MU?
tbh i felt for months that cage destroyed Cyrax, but since ive realised how godlike cyrax EX net is ive been alot better off, taking away even one of those forceball traps helps alot more than youd think, also forcing cage to break taking all 3 bars gets rid of x ray for the round AND the red kick, which lets you throw a few more nets, apart from that its just making reads to get out of the cage pressure the same way everyone else has to.
I agree with you. For the most part I had MIleena winning that MU off of projectiles and telekick bombs/nets but than I started to think bout the MU and I think why would Cyrax lose because of that. Couldnt he just dash in and pressure Mileena like every other character and his damage output hurts. I had it as even but who knows.
6-4 to me means advantage, thats all really, 7-3 meaning significant advantage and so on. far bombs at least stop kabal throwing one or two IAGB's, which can be very helpful. id happily take a gas blast trade if it means i get a bomb out.
even then 6-4 doesnt really mean cyrax automatically wins, ive always been a bigger believer in player ability lol, especially this late in the game
Fair enough. So no character really has their way with Cyrax I guess. I thought the chart was great anyways. I'm maybe a little hesitant to say I agree with 5-5 Nightwolf. I always thought Cyrax had advantage there no? Reflect is useless. Cyrax heavily punishes lightning or whiffed shoulder (because of his damage out put). Forcing Nightwolf out of his comfort zone with well placed bombs. Nightwolf really needs meter to survive here.
I really like your choices. Just wanted to get some feedback on these:
, reptile wins in every trade with cyrax, you trade net with ball he recovers as you stand up, acid recovers too fast, and the fact reptile even has the dash makes you hesitant to pressure him, bit like CSZ's parry, that with the fact all of cyrax's regular normals used to pressure whiff on crouching opponents makes it even easier for reptile to whiff punish with dash, and on every dash that lands you're out again, i feel reptile is one of the best in the game at keeping cyrax out. and his balls cant be ducked.
Mileena is atleast 5-5 rain is 6-4 reptile is about even sub zero is 6-4
how?
If Cyrax doesn't win this match, its a 5-5 imo. You have to block dash your way in and close down his dash/fireball game. From here you have both trades and his rush-down pressure in your favor.reptile: saying you feel its even because his dash is punishable is applicable to the whole cast
Completely agree... I like to corner her... lol
I think that a mixture of being able to punish bombs and nets, and his ability to run the entire match makes it very frustrating for Cyrax. I have it a 4-6 in Smokes favor.
I'm still trying to fully learn the match. I want to play Pig at MLG to give my true response on this.
I think after having so much Jade experience, I can bring some light to this. Jades glow doesn't render any projectile useless because it doesn't last long. What you should do is time the glow, and shoot your projectile of choice just in time for Jade players to get hit by it. Other than this, she cant glow through bombs, so you are basically moving her around the stage while timing the net. When you do have her in a net, the damage difference comes into play. Cyrax beats Jade.
He definitely beats Kabal. I actually have some new stuff with Cyrax which works best with Human that makes the match better. I'll probably post it later on after MLG.
A smart Mileena will zone you out with iaSais and will be able to sit on a lifelead. More importantly, once Cyrax does get a lifelead he can't exactly lame it out because if you try to throw a bomb mileena could easily hit you with a dagger and if you try to net your getting hit by a dagger or teleport. 5-5 or slightly in mileenas favour
That makes my heart happy. Can't wait to see.
Its May 2012 dude. Mileena isn't winning because she can throw IAS lol. That will just get me cornered and Cyrax pressure game is a lot better than Mileenas thats for sure. The MU is about life leads but like Mustard said Cyrax has a better chance of coming back than Mileena does. You just have to play patient vs Mileena. You cant just throw out braindead bombs and nets or jumping like a mad man. Just whiff punish and punish anything Mileena does and shes slow as hell. I'm suprised theres people out there still who lose to shit like IAS.
I like your MU chart a lot.