What is Wrong With These People!? - The U.S. Politics Discussion Thread

[Purple Haze]

Purple, you're on ignore dude anything you say is meaningless to me now so flame on all you want dude.

No one flames but you MKF. You just can't take it when people call you out on the dumb things you say.

And hooray, no more stupid posts from MKF30! Who wants to go out to celebrate? Drinks are on me!

 

[RagingNight]

People do so because they think it's the cool thing to do, in person? pfftt none of you would have the balls to say anything so humor me dude. And MK D? People hated me for merely beating them with Dairou(dumb reasons) and MKO I'm pretty sure you left as well, for disagreeing with mods(oh the irony)

Hell I remember when you got on my case for being the most known Dairou player on Xbox because "your PSN pride" got the best of you, like really dude? And I'm pretty sure I, trax told you guys about JTF how crazy he was but of course you'll never admit when I'm right(wouldn't want to look bad agreeing with MKF now would ya) that's ok.

Purple, you're on ignore dude anything you say is meaningless to me now so flame on all you want dude.

Motherfucker, using that whole "none of you would blah blah blah" shit is weak, because in the end nobody can prove you right or wrong since you're a basement dweller. On a "serious" note, that statement is nothing more than a way to boost your self-esteem because its highly unlikely you'll meet any of us in real life (or vice versa) and thus it doesn't make what you said wrong or right so you can take the e-victory. But you're a piece of shit for using that tactic.

And for the record, I could give two fucks who you or anybody else is. If I don't like a certain person, I'm not going to fucking prance around if that person confronts me. So yeah I would walk up to you and call you fucking stupid for using the "raping girls" example to prove your point.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Revolver,

http://www.marijuana.com/threads/on-the-carcinogenicity-of-marijuana-smoke.245844/​

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The only reason why you don't see many cases of people dying or getting very sick from weed is because it's illegal in most places, but sure make it legal and watch that number grow lol. There is also different levels of weed, if someone smokes the most powerful version of weed or even generic synthesized weed(which recently was outlawed in NYC) it CAN kill them, harm them or put them in the hospital.​

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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...d-whys-it-causing-heart-attacks-in-teenagers/​

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http://drug.addictionblog.org/does-synthetic-weed-cause-death/​

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Normal variations of weed/marijuana causing ill effects or death:​

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Proof that when smoked often enough, it causes increase in heart attacks and strokes as well as kills brain cells...​

http://lastblogger.com/archives/909​

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http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/2009/MarijuanaBrain.htm​

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http://dreaminglife.org/does-marijuana-kill-brain-cells/​

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Still believe "marijuana doesn't effect or kill brain cells"? lol​

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*cracks fingers*

First of all, there is a HUGE fucking difference between weed and synthetics.
That shit is dangerous, chemically fucked, and most good-natured stoners I know have nothing but contempt for it, myself included. I've smoked it, and I hated it. It's a completely different experience the likes of which is nothing close to what I look for when it comes to my stoner nature, and has nothng to do with the pro-pot argument. What the people manufacturing it and the people who choose to consume it do shouldn't have any influence over the progress the pro-pot movement makes in the coming years, and I really hope it doesn't end up detracting from said progress.

Secondly, once again, we KNOW it isn't 100% healthy. It's inhaling burning smoke into your lungs. Obviously, that comes with some measure of health deterioration. But let's say, hypothetically speaking, all 3 (marijuana, cigarettes/tobacco/alcohol) were illegal to start, you had all the accurate science and information, and you HAD to choose one to manufacture as a cash crop, which would you think would be chosen?

 

[rev0lver]

Revolver,

http://www.marijuana.com/threads/on-the-carcinogenicity-of-marijuana-smoke.245844/​

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The only reason why you don't see many cases of people dying or getting very sick from weed is because it's illegal in most places, but sure make it legal and watch that number grow lol. There is also different levels of weed, if someone smokes the most powerful version of weed or even generic synthesized weed(which recently was outlawed in NYC) it CAN kill them, harm them or put them in the hospital.​

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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/8...d-whys-it-causing-heart-attacks-in-teenagers/​

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http://drug.addictionblog.org/does-synthetic-weed-cause-death/​

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Normal variations of weed/marijuana causing ill effects or death:​

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Proof that when smoked often enough, it causes increase in heart attacks and strokes as well as kills brain cells...​

http://lastblogger.com/archives/909​

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http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/2009/MarijuanaBrain.htm​

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http://dreaminglife.org/does-marijuana-kill-brain-cells/​

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Still believe "marijuana doesn't effect or kill brain cells"? lol​

Please get back to me after you actually read your links. Lol.

Actually, I don't think you'll do that, so I'll just say it for you.

First 3 links: I already discussed synthetic weed. I agree that it can be harmful. It's not the same thing as marijuana. And you know why this is a problem? Because marijuana is illegal, and therefore people resort to using things like this. Synthetic "weed" is a product of cannabis prohibition.

As for the cancer, first of all, let me point out that that shows marijuana smoke could potentially (since there are no conclusive studies in humans) cause cancer, as well as inhibit tumor growth. But here's the kicker: it's marijuana smoke. No such evidence has been found in studies of marijuana itself. I rarely smoke marijuana, I vaporize it. Smoke, in all forms, may be harmful. Vaporizing and using edible forms of marijuana is much different.

Second 3 links: Here's why I know you didn't actually read what you posted. All 3 of these tell you that marijuana doesn't kill brain cells, which was my original point. Thank you for proving it. Are you going to admit you were wrong now, or are you still going to deny it?

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Please get back to me after you actually read your links. Lol.

Actually, I don't think you'll do that, so I'll just say it for you.

First 3 links: I already discussed synthetic weed. I agree that it can be harmful. It's not the same thing as marijuana. And you know why this is a problem? Because marijuana is illegal, and therefore people resort to using things like this. Synthetic "weed" is a product of cannabis prohibition.

As for the cancer, first of all, let me point out that that shows marijuana smoke could potentially (since there are no conclusive studies in humans) cause cancer, as well as inhibit tumor growth. But here's the kicker: it's marijuana smoke. No such evidence has been found in studies of marijuana itself. I rarely smoke marijuana, I vaporize it. Smoke, in all forms, may be harmful. Vaporizing and using edible forms of marijuana is much different.

Second 3 links: Here's why I know you didn't actually read what you posted. All 3 of these tell you that marijuana doesn't kill brain cells, which was my original point. Thank you for proving it. Are you going to admit you were wrong now, or are you still going to deny it?

I believe the proper response is: Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

I wish you were my uncle so I'd have an excuse to ask you for a vaporizer for my birthday. Always wanted one.

 

[MKF30]

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*cracks fingers*

First of all, there is a HUGE fucking difference between weed and synthetics.
That shit is dangerous, chemically fucked, and most good-natured stoners I know have nothing but contempt for it, myself included. I've smoked it, and I hated it. It's a completely different experience the likes of which is nothing close to what I look for when it comes to my stoner nature, and has nothng to do with the pro-pot argument. What the people manufacturing it and the people who choose to consume it do shouldn't have any influence over the progress the pro-pot movement makes in the coming years, and I really hope it doesn't end up detracting from said progress.

Secondly, once again, we KNOW it isn't 100% healthy. It's inhaling burning smoke into your lungs. Obviously, that comes with some measure of health deterioration. But let's say, hypothetically speaking, all 3 (marijuana, cigarettes/tobacco/alcohol) were illegal to start, you had all the accurate science and information, and you HAD to choose one to manufacture as a cash crop, which would you think would be chosen?

True, but there's still valid clinical connections to weed and synthetic weed when taken in high doses harming. More so my point.

Well, concerning the pro-pot gig, it definitely can't help it lol. People around my area were selling it pretty much saying "hey if you're a stoner and like to get high, fuck weed get this shit" and now it's banned here lol. Know what I mean? One of my friends friends smoked it, said he felt weird but liked it. Honestly, I think the most popular choice would be chosen, which would most likely be drinking(they tried banning it in the 20's, it failed badly I might add) I also feel this way mainly because people like to go out, bars, have fun etc and that's the mainstream thing to drink more so then smoking something. I actually made a topic way back concerning tobacco companies and alcohol marketing, which is bigger it got lots of interesting debate on another site.

 

[M2Dave]

I am sensing a pattern...

Me too. I believe there is a conspiracy against MKF30. That is why he was banned from every MK web site that ever existed. (He actually was. That part is not me trolling.)

 

[MKF30]

Yeah, dave when you're a mod who abuses your power you can do anything (it doesn't make it right or justify it though) yet you had issues with pink ranger on MKO? ohh the irony...

Please get back to me after you actually read your links. Lol.

Actually, I don't think you'll do that, so I'll just say it for you.

First 3 links: I already discussed synthetic weed. I agree that it can be harmful. It's not the same thing as marijuana. And you know why this is a problem? Because marijuana is illegal, and therefore people resort to using things like this. Synthetic "weed" is a product of cannabis prohibition.

As for the cancer, first of all, let me point out that that shows marijuana smoke could potentially (since there are no conclusive studies in humans) cause cancer, as well as inhibit tumor growth. But here's the kicker: it's marijuana smoke. No such evidence has been found in studies of marijuana itself. I rarely smoke marijuana, I vaporize it. Smoke, in all forms, may be harmful. Vaporizing and using edible forms of marijuana is much different.

Second 3 links: Here's why I know you didn't actually read what you posted. All 3 of these tell you that marijuana doesn't kill brain cells, which was my original point. Thank you for proving it. Are you going to admit you were wrong now, or are you still going to deny it?

I did read them, but yes I separated both synthetic and real weed. Just posting that there's been factual, clinical studies proving HOW they both harm you. If you're for weed, people branding and promoting synthetic weed isn't helping your case(but they don't care about that, just making money lol) typical drug dealer mentality. I know this because I live near places that sold it(before the ban)

There's no studies showing cancer in humans...at least yet but there are several that prove it kills brain cells and how if effects your brain, if you read one of the links it goes into detail experimenting, with people who smoked it 7 days straight, vs sober people and the sober folks were able to manage, think and process faster and more accurate then the 7 who smoked weed.

Marijuana contains chemicals you know right? It's not just "marijuana" the plant has chemicals that effect you when you smoke it, now take that with custom made blunts and yeah...lol. Uh, they actually confirm that smoking weed effects and kills brain cells, only one link says "it's inconclusive" while the others show that they can kill brain cells when smoked often enough...

Are you going to keep denying that? lol I already know, and have had friends who smoked a ton yet couldn't remember simple things such as my name...I rest my case.

 

[NogunYesknife]

You guys are getting trolled so bad.

 

[rev0lver]

I believe the proper response is: Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

I wish you were my uncle so I'd have an excuse to ask you for a vaporizer for my birthday. Always wanted one.

If you're looking for something for personal use I'd suggest the Magic Flight Launch Box http://www.magic-flight.com/ . It's $100 (I found a coupon code somewhere for $10 off though, there's plenty lying around). Very efficient and inconspicuous yet works very well.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

True, but there's still valid clinical connections to weed and synthetic weed when taken in high doses harming. More so my point.

Well, concerning the pro-pot gig, it definitely can't help it lol. People around my area were selling it pretty much saying "hey if you're a stoner and like to get high, fuck weed get this shit" and now it's banned here lol. Know what I mean? One of my friends friends smoked it, said he felt weird but liked it. Honestly, I think the most popular choice would be chosen, which would most likely be drinking(they tried banning it in the 20's, it failed badly I might add) I also feel this way mainly because people like to go out, bars, have fun etc and that's the mainstream thing to drink more so then smoking something. I actually made a topic way back concerning tobacco companies and alcohol marketing, which is bigger it got lots of interesting debate on another site.

I was living in Toms River/Seaside when it first started selling, and the exact same thing happened.
One particular horror story that sticks out...Some fucking asshole made a WAY over-compounded brand and stuck the faces of Jersey Shore on the bags when they first started slinging it on the boardwalk. No sooner did kids start getting hospitalized left and right. They capitalized on the demand/desire and found a way to satisfy it while the real grass remained illegal, it was bold-facedly advertised as not being safe, and no one did a fucking thing about it until people started dying/ending up in the ER. It should've never been allowed to circulate in the first place. Especially not when you consider how many of the people who got sick/died as a result of this shit would still be in better condition/alive if they'd just been allowed their grass at the start.
And as I said in a different thread, if people were given the choice of habitually drinking/bar hopping/etc., or having the legal alternative to smoke (smokeshops, hookah lounges, places where they could offer Rev's pre-mentioned alternatives of vaporizers and pot products for those who want to be healthy about their high), I can guarantee you'd see an enormous climate change as far as how people pass their time.

It'd cost Big Booze too much money. Plain and simple.
I don't know about you guys, but if they ever put pot on the shelves, I'll never need to drink again.

If you're looking for something for personal use I'd suggest the Magic Flight Launch Box http://www.magic-flight.com/ . It's $100 (I found a coupon code somewhere for $10 off though, there's plenty lying around). Very efficient and inconspicuous yet works very well.

Saving this link for when I'm not broke anymore. Had no idea they came so cheap.
Best news I've gotten all day .

 

[rev0lver]

There's no studies showing cancer in humans...at least yet but there are several that prove it kills brain cells and how if effects your brain, if you read one of the links it goes into detail experimenting, with people who smoked it 7 days straight, vs sober people and the sober folks were able to manage, think and process faster and more accurate then the 7 who smoked weed.

Marijuana contains chemicals you know right? It's not just "marijuana" the plant has chemicals that effect you when you smoke it, now take that with custom made blunts and yeah...lol. Uh, they actually confirm that smoking weed effects and kills brain cells, only one link says "it's inconclusive" while the others show that they can kill brain cells when smoked often enough...

Are you going to keep denying that? lol I already know, and have had friends who smoked a ton yet couldn't remember simple things such as my name...I rest my case.

Dude, what??? WHERE in any of those links does it say it kills brain cells? Nowhere. Please quote it for me and singlehandedly discredit the scientific community. How can you be this stupid?

Let me quote from your own links:

" As a result of these studies, Morgan and Zimmer concluded that the claim that marijuana causes physiological damage to brain cells is incorrect."

"A study by Block et. al (1999) yielded similar results, finding that “frequent marijuana use does not produce clinically apparent MRI abnormalities or detectable global or regional changes in brain tissue volumes of gray or white matter, or both combined”."



The other link that actually deals with brain cells discusses the monkey study and therefore calls it inconclusive. I already talked about this study, which has since been discredited.

By the way, about the other effects, the main problem with this is that it involves correlational studies. I haven't seen much evidence as to cause and effect.

 

[rev0lver]

Well, concerning the pro-pot gig, it definitely can't help it lol.

The point is that, again, things like Spice/K2 are a PRODUCT of marijuana's prohibition. If anything, the fact that these things exist show why prohibition is a problem. Because something's illegal, people will resort to using something more dangerous.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

There's no studies showing cancer in humans...at least yet but there are several that prove it kills brain cells and how if effects your brain, if you read one of the links it goes into detail experimenting, with people who smoked it 7 days straight, vs sober people and the sober folks were able to manage, think and process faster and more accurate then the 7 who smoked weed.

Marijuana contains chemicals you know right? It's not just "marijuana" the plant has chemicals that effect you when you smoke it, now take that with custom made blunts and yeah...lol. Uh, they actually confirm that smoking weed effects and kills brain cells, only one link says "it's inconclusive" while the others show that they can kill brain cells when smoked often enough...

Are you going to keep denying that? lol I already know, and have had friends who smoked a ton yet couldn't remember simple things such as my name...I rest my case.

Alcohol:
-Scientifically PROVEN to kill all number of cells in the body. Surrosis. Brain damage. Organ deterioration.
-One of only two substances (the other being benzos/Xanax, I think it's only these two) from which the withdrawl can physically KILL you should you become an alcoholic and require treatment/detox.
-Alcoholism: one of, if not THE biggest addiction epidemic in the world today. No vice I know of that kills as many people and permanently alters/worsens as many lives...Except cigarettes, but that's a given, I mean just in terms of how people go about their innebriation. It's so bad, it can pass from generation to generation.
-Legal as the day is long. Multi-billion dollar industry. Nobody cares.

Can you say ANY of these things about marijuana?
Because for every burnout, idiot and overindulgent smoker I know, I know just as many brilliant, well-intended, solid-minded, regular-member-of-society-status people who are just as useful with their weed as they are without, some more so with than without.
And we haven't even taken into account the help it can provide the psychologically troubled. I've dealt with all number of serious mental problems my entire life...not just your average depression or frustration, I mean the kind of shit I wouldn't wish on my worst enemies...and the ONLY thing from then to now as far as "treatment or medication" that's ever helped or made me feel better/less fucked is marijuana. The person I was before I started and the person I am now, I can honestly say are two completely different ends of the spectrum, and I don't think I would've been able to survive this long without the help it's given me in just staying sane. I'm not some goofy fuck who likes to sit around on the beanbag chair toking until his eyes start to bleed, my philosophy's always been to treat it like a medication: partake until I feel better, and that's the end of the show, no more, no less.
But you're gonna tell me it shouldn't at least be given a chance?

The point is that, again, things like Spice/K2 are a PRODUCT of marijuana's prohibition. If anything, the fact that these things exist show why prohibition is a problem. Because something's illegal, people will resort to using something more dangerous.

Fucking exactly. Legal pot = no need for K2 = lives and health saved.

 

[Purple Haze]

Dude, what??? WHERE in any of those links does it say it kills brain cells? Nowhere. Please quote it for me and singlehandedly discredit the scientific community. How can you be this stupid?

He just makes things up. MKF30 won't read anything that proves him wrong or shows he doesn't know what he's talking about. He just ignores any reality that doesn't fit with what he wants to believe.

And people should probably start talking about politics again else this thread will just get closed. Or post in the drugs thread about drugs.

 

[MaceWind]

First 3 links: I already discussed synthetic weed. I agree that it can be harmful. It's not the same thing as marijuana. And you know why this is a problem? Because marijuana is illegal, and therefore people resort to using things like this. Synthetic "weed" is a product of cannabis prohibition.

Let's assume I'm old and I don't know what you are talking about but WTF is synthetic weed? I'm not shitting you when I say I do not know what this is.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

He just makes things up. MKF30 won't read anything that proves him wrong or shows he doesn't know what he's talking about. He just ignores any reality that doesn't fit with what he wants to believe.

And people should probably start talking about politics again else this thread will just get closed. Or post in the drugs thread about drugs.

Under normal circumstances, yes, but I think it has a place here...at least in the sense that it's been a political hot button issue for some time. Then again, with the course it's taking...you're probably right. Lol.

Honestly, the fact that this year is either going to end in 4 more years of fuck, or 4 years of brand-new, extra-deluxe RED fuck, takes all the fire out of my political desire. It's getting depressing .

Let's assume I'm old and I don't know what you are talking about but WTF is synthetic weed? I'm not shitting you when I say I do not know what this is.

It pretty much boils down to...someone found a way to make money off of stoners without having to legalize pot. They went into the lab, figured out a carcinogenic chemical formula close enough to THC to get a person high (it's like a ripoff of dalmyana (sp?) which is a natural herb similar to pot that people smoke/burn as incense/do all number of useful stuff with), sprayed it on a shit-ton of incense, stuck it in a bag, called it Spice, and started selling it to any and all buyers. Now that it's terrible health effects have become more widely known, it's being cracked down on on a widespread scale, even though chances are the people who came up with the idea in the first place knew it was going to happen and sold it anyway.

But we can't have pot. America. Wee.

 

[rev0lver]

Let's assume I'm old and I don't know what you are talking about but WTF is synthetic weed? I'm not shitting you when I say I do not know what this is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabis

Basically, it's marketed as incense but it's used to mimic the feeling of a marijuana high.

 

[MaceWind]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabis

Basically, it's marketed as incense but it's used to mimic the feeling of a marijuana high.

Thank you for that. Next two questions. Is this why all those hookah bars became so popular? Lastly, I've heard of vaporizers before but only in electronic cigarettes which use a liquid that contains nicotine. How do you vaporize a dry product like you suggested. Keep in mind, I don't smoke (I get drug tested for work) but I'm just curious.

 

[rev0lver]

Thank you for that. Next two questions. Is this why all those hookah bars became so popular? Lastly, I've heard of vaporizers before but only in electronic cigarettes which use a liquid that contains nicotine. How do you vaporize a dry product like you suggested. Keep in mind, I don't smoke (I get drug tested for work) but I'm just curious.

1. Nope, it has nothing to do with hookah bars. They don't use that there, hookah bars only use tobacco.

2. Basically, vaporizing heats something up to just below the point at which it would burn. Therefore, for marijuana, the THC (what makes you high) is released because it does so at a certain temperature, but the actual plant matter (which is potentially bad) is not burned and not released into your lungs.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

1. Nope, it has nothing to do with hookah bars. They don't use that there, hookah bars only use tobacco.

2. Basically, vaporizing heats something up to just below the point at which it would burn. Therefore, for marijuana, the THC (what makes you high) is released because it does so at a certain temperature, but the actual plant matter (which is potentially bad) is not burned and not released into your lungs.

It's like smoking a delicious pizza and getting all of the flavor without clogging your arteries with the dough and the cheese.

...Fuck, now I'm hungry.

 

[MKF30]

@OneBoxy, yeah I guess it depends on preference. As far as the mainstream, I'm just guessing based on past experiences and basic advertising. It's definitely going to come down to tobacco industry vs. drinking though I think, with drugs coming in 3rd. I'm sure that would rise if weed was legal, I just think if you polled random people you'd probably get more drinkers then smokers, it's probably pretty close. Then you have former smokers/drinkers etc which you'd have to calculate also. But yeah, same here in NYC kids were in hospitals, dying etc I read the effects and just reading it I'd never touch it. Normal weed I have no interest in, but yeah the synthetic stuff I was like wow...people smoke this?

Dude, what??? WHERE in any of those links does it say it kills brain cells? Nowhere. Please quote it for me and singlehandedly discredit the scientific community. How can you be this stupid?

Let me quote from your own links:

" As a result of these studies, Morgan and Zimmer concluded that the claim that marijuana causes physiological damage to brain cells is incorrect."

"A study by Block et. al (1999) yielded similar results, finding that “frequent marijuana use does not produce clinically apparent MRI abnormalities or detectable global or regional changes in brain tissue volumes of gray or white matter, or both combined”."



The other link that actually deals with brain cells discusses the monkey study and therefore calls it inconclusive. I already talked about this study, which has since been discredited.

By the way, about the other effects, the main problem with this is that it involves correlational studies. I haven't seen much evidence as to cause and effect.

*sigh* Guess I should expect so much from a weed supporter...first, I'm not stupid, here I'll quote it for you...from the dreaminlife.org article of the writers own BROTHER who was a stoner admitting it "It also brings up a vague memory of my stoned brother telling me – in all seriousness – that yes, smoking weed kills brain cells but do you know how many brain cells we have? Like a million."

Even though he's more or less trying to justify doing so, he still admits as a stoner "weed kills brain cells" from this link btw
http://dreaminglife.org/does-marijuana-kill-brain-cells/

Quote from other link? Ok...
The healthspyche site

"One aspect the research seems to have concluded is that the risk for brain damage exists solely for heavy marijuana users, and those who use it less than 7 times a week generally do not show any more risk for brain damage than do non-users."

This link if you read it actually proves how and why the chemicals in marijuana tar and when smoked often and for a long time can cause pre-cancerous tumors and smaller lesions similar to that of cig/tobacco.
http://www.marijuana.com/threads/on-the-carcinogenicity-of-marijuana-smoke.245844/

Most of the articles will say "of course we can't make a 100% confirmation blah, blah due to not experimenting more with it and continue conclusive testing" however, they also state so FAR on what they go on and have, it's no secret that heavy weed smokers do indeed kill, harm their braincells as their clinical basic tests proved within a few of the links I provided.

So still think Weed has 0% effect or no negative effects on your brain cells?

 

[Purple Haze]

You people need to be a little more educated about what drugs can do to you.

This short but informative documentary by Canadian scientists highlights the effects of drugs on creatures as simple as spiders.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

You people need to be a little more educated about what drugs can do to you.

This short but informative documentary by Canadian scientists highlights the effects of drugs on creatures as simple as spiders.

Fucking thank you. This debate needed some laughs .

 

[MKF30]

Just quoting parts of the article.