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rev0lver

Come On Die Young
*sigh* Guess I should expect so much from a weed supporter...first, I'm not stupid, here I'll quote it for you...from the dreaminlife.org article of the writers own BROTHER who was a stoner admitting it "It also brings up a vague memory of my stoned brother telling me – in all seriousness – that yes, smoking weed kills brain cells but do you know how many brain cells we have? Like a million."

Even though he's more or less trying to justify doing so, he still admits as a stoner "weed kills brain cells" from this link btw
http://dreaminglife.org/does-marijuana-kill-brain-cells/

Quote from other link? Ok...
The healthspyche site

"One aspect the research seems to have concluded is that the risk for brain damage exists solely for heavy marijuana users, and those who use it less than 7 times a week generally do not show any more risk for brain damage than do non-users."

This link if you read it actually proves how and why the chemicals in marijuana tar and when smoked often and for a long time can cause pre-cancerous tumors and smaller lesions similar to that of cig/tobacco.
http://www.marijuana.com/threads/on-the-carcinogenicity-of-marijuana-smoke.245844/

Most of the articles will say "of course we can't make a 100% confirmation blah, blah due to not experimenting more with it and continue conclusive testing" however, they also state so FAR on what they go on and have, it's no secret that heavy weed smokers do indeed kill, harm their braincells as their clinical basic tests proved within a few of the links I provided.

So still think Weed has 0% effect or no negative effects on your brain cells?

I am seriously shocked at how far you're going with this. Dude, just give it up and admit you're wrong. Jesus.... what do I have to argue with you next? That the world isn't flat?

You seriously need some reading comprehension. The quote you posted is referring to correlational studies about heavy marijuana use and functioning on tests, as shown a couple paragraphs above on that page. The word "brain damage" is simply misused there. It's a correlational study with no neurological components, no cause and effect between variables can be found. The general consensus of scientists on the mismatch between the correlational and experimental studies is that there is an outside variable causing impaired functioning, such as a certain type of person being drawn to heavy marijuana use. The neurological studies, discussed ON THAT SAME PAGE, shows that no evidence of brain cell death has ever been found.

On that dreaminglife page... dude, are you serious? This is someone's brother saying something. If you actually scroll down and read the entire page, he says that his brother was wrong and marijuana doesn't actually kill brain cells.

This isn't even a debate dude. Science is right, you are wrong. Just concede already, you're embarrassing yourself even further.

For cancer, I already talked about that. This is marijuana smoke, not marijuana.
 

GNG Iniquity

#bufftaquito #punchwalk #whiffycage
Guys, stop arguing with the fucking guy. What's the point? Everyone here is rational and has an intelligent mind and brings interesting topics to the thread outside of MKF. Ignore the guy, I mean go to his page and actually click the 'ignore' button. The guy will argue the color of the sky and will admit no fault or open his mind.

Legalize pot. It's not harmful.
 

Espio

Kokomo
Guys, stop arguing with the fucking guy. What's the point? Everyone here is rational and has an intelligent mind and brings interesting topics to the thread outside of MKF. Ignore the guy, I mean go to his page and actually click the 'ignore' button. The guy will argue the color of the sky and will admit no fault or open his mind.

Legalize pot. It's not harmful.
This post is +14 on block, thank you.
 

Purple Haze

Apprentice
Guys, stop arguing with the fucking guy. What's the point? Everyone here is rational and has an intelligent mind and brings interesting topics to the thread outside of MKF. Ignore the guy, I mean go to his page and actually click the 'ignore' button. The guy will argue the color of the sky and will admit no fault or open his mind.

Legalize pot. It's not harmful.
I don't understand why his millions of friends haven't come to his aid.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
@OneBoxy, yeah I guess it depends on preference. As far as the mainstream, I'm just guessing based on past experiences and basic advertising. It's definitely going to come down to tobacco industry vs. drinking though I think, with drugs coming in 3rd. I'm sure that would rise if weed was legal, I just think if you polled random people you'd probably get more drinkers then smokers, it's probably pretty close. Then you have former smokers/drinkers etc which you'd have to calculate also. But yeah, same here in NYC kids were in hospitals, dying etc I read the effects and just reading it I'd never touch it. Normal weed I have no interest in, but yeah the synthetic stuff I was like wow...people smoke this?



*sigh* Guess I should expect so much from a weed supporter...first, I'm not stupid, here I'll quote it for you...from the dreaminlife.org article of the writers own BROTHER who was a stoner admitting it "It also brings up a vague memory of my stoned brother telling me – in all seriousness – that yes, smoking weed kills brain cells but do you know how many brain cells we have? Like a million."

Even though he's more or less trying to justify doing so, he still admits as a stoner "weed kills brain cells" from this link btw
http://dreaminglife.org/does-marijuana-kill-brain-cells/

Quote from other link? Ok...
The healthspyche site

"One aspect the research seems to have concluded is that the risk for brain damage exists solely for heavy marijuana users, and those who use it less than 7 times a week generally do not show any more risk for brain damage than do non-users."

This link if you read it actually proves how and why the chemicals in marijuana tar and when smoked often and for a long time can cause pre-cancerous tumors and smaller lesions similar to that of cig/tobacco.
http://www.marijuana.com/threads/on-the-carcinogenicity-of-marijuana-smoke.245844/

Most of the articles will say "of course we can't make a 100% confirmation blah, blah due to not experimenting more with it and continue conclusive testing" however, they also state so FAR on what they go on and have, it's no secret that heavy weed smokers do indeed kill, harm their braincells as their clinical basic tests proved within a few of the links I provided.

So still think Weed has 0% effect or no negative effects on your brain cells?
You just shat on your own argument. Some Stoner saying "yeah bro honestly it kills brain cells" means absolutely nothing. He had not tests done or no conclusive proof that it actually does. Maybe he got dumber because he smoked so much pot that he stopped caring about everything else, but that is his problem not all users of weed's.

The second one just says you only kill brain cells if you smoke it like 10 times a week. You do realize that alcohol can kill brain cells, but it is legal. Smoking can kill brain cells, but it is still legal. Weed takes much more repetition to kill any brain cells than the other two. If people use it that much then that is their fault, this does not prove why it should not be legalized.
 

aj1701

Champion
What things am I stating that aren't true? That Obama has socialist methods? That he's all for himself? That he's a radical liberal? I don't understand because anyone who's objective or did their own research knows this is true based on the history of socialism, and him wanting to alter the constitution? How is that false when he even admitted it?
The only things Obama has done that have a socialist bent are the ACA, and he's pretty ok with redistribution of wealth.. but even then its not close to full blown socialism. He's not calling for the end of private ownership though, so saying he's a socialist is a bit of a stretch. Redistribution of wealth I think does fall under a socailist color, I think. Note I didn't say everything you said was wrong, but there is a bunch that is. Just go look on MSNBC or somthing.

I disagree, I'm merely rebelling against Obamacare for reasons already listed...whoever agrees, fine, disagrees fine. But don't tell me "I'm warped or crazy" because not saying you but others who say that clearly=have no counterargument, thus why I said majority of posters in here are liberals who resort to such petty methods to try to compensate for lack therefore of a better argument...
I never said warped or crazy. See this is where you go wrong, you DO go way off the deep end when someone challenges you. And its not like conservatives don't do the same deflection when their positions are attacked... that's why I don't get why you keep dweeling on liberal vs conservative. Just drop the labeling and actually discuss an issue, don't try to dismiss by calling something liberal (which is what it sounds like when you mention that you think people are liberal). Who cares?

You appear to not be liberal, but you seem to try to save face. Not a horrible idea but I'm very firm on my beliefs guess you can say. I personally don't care, I don't mind standing up to opposing views. People will either agree or disagree with you at the end of the day. On the drug and abortion thing, ok fine you and I just disagree. That's your right, as it is mine. Only thing you're off about me is being openminded, I know that's just another "label" by the left that 'oh the right isn't openminded' actually I am, I'm just not open to radically absurd ideas or ones that appear as such to me...but it seems like you and I agree on some things, disagree on others. That's fine, but yeah I give you props for not resorting to insults like some others here who merely ignore what some people say.
I don't care what others think. I am firm with my beliefs, but if someone can logically present a counter argument I consider it. If its good I might even change my mind. I said you don't appear open minded because it doesn't look like you've gone off an actually tried to understand the other side, you come back attacking the position (without presenting a case why you disagree, without emotion). I'm not trying to call you out or attack you or anything, I'm trying to help you out and get you to understand where you might be going wrong getting your point across.

Seriously, everyone here (including me) is getting the same vibe from you. I don't know why that doesnt seem to give you pause and at least consider that it really is the way you're coming off. Trust me, I know how hard it is to admit an area that needs improvement. We all have such things, and its really hard. I really hope you don't take that personally, I'm honestly trying to give you what I think is good advice.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
The second one just says you only kill brain cells if you smoke it like 10 times a week. You do realize that alcohol can kill brain cells, but it is legal. Smoking can kill brain cells, but it is still legal. Weed takes much more repetition to kill any brain cells than the other two. If people use it that much then that is their fault, this does not prove why it should not be legalized.
The problem was that it doesn't say it kills brain cells. It says that heavy users have problems on cognitive tests. The neurological evidence shows that it doesn't actually cause brain cell death or cause physical changes in the brain. For this study, it seems more likely that there's an outside variable influencing the problems, such as a certain kind of person being more likely to use marijuana heavily.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
The problem was that it doesn't say it kills brain cells. It says that heavy users have problems on cognitive tests. The neurological evidence shows that it doesn't actually cause brain cell death or cause physical changes in the brain. For this study, it seems more likely that there's an outside variable influencing the problems, such as a certain kind of person being more likely to use marijuana heavily.
The point still stands that his argument was invalid.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
@Iniquit, I'm sure people can think for themselves for someone so hellbent on ignoring me, I think everyone knows how to use that option by now. I've put it to good use already. Yeah, I'm not openminded? lol another guy that doesn't even know me, but then coming from a guy with a "troll" face I suppose that answers any wonders I've had about you.



I am seriously shocked at how far you're going with this. Dude, just give it up and admit you're wrong. Jesus.... what do I have to argue with you next? That the world isn't flat?

You seriously need some reading comprehension. The quote you posted is referring to correlational studies about heavy marijuana use and functioning on tests, as shown a couple paragraphs above on that page. The word "brain damage" is simply misused there. It's a correlational study with no neurological components, no cause and effect between variables can be found. The general consensus of scientists on the mismatch between the correlational and experimental studies is that there is an outside variable causing impaired functioning, such as a certain type of person being drawn to heavy marijuana use. The neurological studies, discussed ON THAT SAME PAGE, shows that no evidence of brain cell death has ever been found.

On that dreaminglife page... dude, are you serious? This is someone's brother saying something. If you actually scroll down and read the entire page, he says that his brother was wrong and marijuana doesn't actually kill brain cells.

This isn't even a debate dude. Science is right, you are wrong. Just concede already, you're embarrassing yourself even further.

For cancer, I already talked about that. This is marijuana smoke, not marijuana.
lol how am I wrong when several articles state clinically tested evidence after basic tests show weed=kills brain cells? Keep in mind I never said it would "kill you" the amount of weed for that would be ridiculous(it's like water, you'd have to drink a shit ton in small amount of time before your body pees it out) you're not getting what I'm saying, clinical studies prove that weed harms, and kills brain cells when smoked HEAVY. That's also what the page said, did you just skip that part? lol



I'm merely saying it can HARM your brain when smoked a lot and often...that is all. I don't need reading comprehension you do if anything being as how I had to repeat myself several times now and I aced English in school with 90's, with the "cool kids" asking me for help during tests, as hard as that may be it was true thus why I have my goofy persona so that people would leave me alone...

Anywho, back on topic it sounds like you just don't want to believe or agree that in several studies weed harms your brain...but hey dude, believe what you want. Either way, weed isn't getting legalized anytime soon so enjoy the fake shit or black market weed until then. I already admitted and said I'm all for it for sick people, just not recreational. That being said, we'll just agree to disagree. Marijuana smoke comes from marijuana plant, if you eat it obviously more harm would come from it due to the chemicals, smoked won't "hurt" you in the sense of death(at least it shouldn't) but it does still harm your brain cells as well as certain abilities that the brain covers as proved in those tests via the one link I provided.



The only things Obama has done that have a socialist bent are the ACA, and he's pretty ok with redistribution of wealth.. but even then its not close to full blown socialism. He's not calling for the end of private ownership though, so saying he's a socialist is a bit of a stretch. Redistribution of wealth I think does fall under a socailist color, I think. Note I didn't say everything you said was wrong, but there is a bunch that is. Just go look on MSNBC or somthing.


I never said warped or crazy. See this is where you go wrong, you DO go way off the deep end when someone challenges you. And its not like conservatives don't do the same deflection when their positions are attacked... that's why I don't get why you keep dweeling on liberal vs conservative. Just drop the labeling and actually discuss an issue, don't try to dismiss by calling something liberal (which is what it sounds like when you mention that you think people are liberal). Who cares?



I don't care what others think. I am firm with my beliefs, but if someone can logically present a counter argument I consider it. If its good I might even change my mind. I said you don't appear open minded because it doesn't look like you've gone off an actually tried to understand the other side, you come back attacking the position (without presenting a case why you disagree, without emotion). I'm not trying to call you out or attack you or anything, I'm trying to help you out and get you to understand where you might be going wrong getting your point across.

Seriously, everyone here (including me) is getting the same vibe from you. I don't know why that doesnt seem to give you pause and at least consider that it really is the way you're coming off. Trust me, I know how hard it is to admit an area that needs improvement. We all have such things, and its really hard. I really hope you don't take that personally, I'm honestly trying to give you what I think is good advice.
Ok, so Obama is a boarderline socialist, lol how's that with certain ideas. That better man? With the whole healthcare thing and his method of balancing taxes, money for everyone. Is more so what I'm aiming at. Yes, I never said YOU said that a certain troll did, this is why I put him on ignore because clearly when someone is resorting to petty insults such as "you're just an extremist or warped" then I take what they say with a grain of salt, know what I mean? I've never said the right is perfect, nor the left. I even said before few times all politics are corrupt, at this point I just try my best to choose the lesser of two evils since it does effect me, you and everyone else here. You act as if when I say "liberal" it's an insult like "motherfucker" or something, totally not what I mean, I mean it due to their ideals and beliefs(the fact that some folks take "liberal" term as an insult really makes me wonder, don't you think? If someone says "typical con righty" nobody says anything, but I say liberal mentality and everyone goes nuts? This is why my pals who are moderate and other independent read this topic and told me "Pete just ignore these guys, when they start calling your extreme they're clearly not willing to listen to anything you say" this is why I believe you're one of the few I can actually speak with in a mature fashion. Besides, whether we like it or not the country is and has always been about(by majority outside of indenpendent and undecided voters) by the right or the left. So, not labeling just a fact of life for the time being in America.

That's the thing though, you see people often misunderstand me(as usual) on here outside of people who actually DO know me personally, people post hypocritical posts such as "he's set in his mindset" yet those very people aren't? lol That's why anything and everything I post is instantly dismissed. So am I perfect or something? No, who is? Am I always wrong? Doubtful, but maybe sometimes(I am human afterall like you) Am I however heavily outnumbered by opposing views? Fuck yes. And this is a main reason why I'm a loner in this topic. I'm getting the vibe from you, you're not a liberal or conservative but have your own beliefs, but at the same time shouldn't be easily influenced by "majority" of a topic, majority doesn't = always correct, it just means majority. Half the people in here against hold a personal bias from other nonsense you have to remember. As for getting my points across, look I'm totally open to discuss anything despite if you agree with me or not, but when someone starts tossing insults or claiming "everyone here hates me" just lies to try to use as a tool for an argument then I can't take them seriously and it shows me they'd rather insult me as oppose to respect my difference in opinion.


You just shat on your own argument. Some Stoner saying "yeah bro honestly it kills brain cells" means absolutely nothing. He had not tests done or no conclusive proof that it actually does. Maybe he got dumber because he smoked so much pot that he stopped caring about everything else, but that is his problem not all users of weed's.

The second one just says you only kill brain cells if you smoke it like 10 times a week. You do realize that alcohol can kill brain cells, but it is legal. Smoking can kill brain cells, but it is still legal. Weed takes much more repetition to kill any brain cells than the other two. If people use it that much then that is their fault, this does not prove why it should not be legalized.
@Zoid, not shitting on my own argument, merely pointing out facts concerning the effect weed has on your brain when smoked excessively..that is all. Hey, maybe you're right Maybe he got dumber because he smoked so much pot, EXACTLY my point! lol do you not see this? Why did he get dumber, use your own words against you now to prove my own point, because he smoked TOO MUCH weed! I rest my case...and yes, that's why I said when smoked heavily past 7 times a week. I'm not trying to post why it's not legalized or illegal, but just saying regardless of that it still harms your brain cells when smoked often. As for it being legal or not, already covered that while ago. I feel it shouldn't be legal outside of medical purposes. Just my opinion on that, we all have one. That's mine.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
@Iniquit, I'm sure people can think for themselves for someone so hellbent on ignoring me, I think everyone knows how to use that option by now. I've put it to good use already. Yeah, I'm not openminded? lol another guy that doesn't even know me, but then coming from a guy with a "troll" face I suppose that answers any wonders I've had about you.





lol how am I wrong when several articles state clinically tested evidence after basic tests show weed=kills brain cells? Keep in mind I never said it would "kill you" the amount of weed for that would be ridiculous(it's like water, you'd have to drink a shit ton in small amount of time before your body pees it out) you're not getting what I'm saying, clinical studies prove that weed harms, and kills brain cells when smoked HEAVY. That's also what the page said, did you just skip that part? lol



I'm merely saying it can HARM your brain when smoked a lot and often...that is all. I don't need reading comprehension you do if anything being as how I had to repeat myself several times now and I aced English in school with 90's, with the "cool kids" asking me for help during tests, as hard as that may be it was true thus why I have my goofy persona so that people would leave me alone...

Anywho, back on topic it sounds like you just don't want to believe or agree that in several studies weed harms your brain...but hey dude, believe what you want. Either way, weed isn't getting legalized anytime soon so enjoy the fake shit or black market weed until then. I already admitted and said I'm all for it for sick people, just not recreational. That being said, we'll just agree to disagree. Marijuana smoke comes from marijuana plant, if you eat it obviously more harm would come from it due to the chemicals, smoked won't "hurt" you in the sense of death(at least it shouldn't) but it does still harm your brain cells as well as certain abilities that the brain covers as proved in those tests via the one link I provided.





Ok, so Obama is a boarderline socialist, lol how's that with certain ideas. That better man? With the whole healthcare thing and his method of balancing taxes, money for everyone. Is more so what I'm aiming at. Yes, I never said YOU said that a certain troll did, this is why I put him on ignore because clearly when someone is resorting to petty insults such as "you're just an extremist or warped" then I take what they say with a grain of salt, know what I mean? I've never said the right is perfect, nor the left. I even said before few times all politics are corrupt, at this point I just try my best to choose the lesser of two evils since it does effect me, you and everyone else here. You act as if when I say "liberal" it's an insult like "motherfucker" or something, totally not what I mean, I mean it due to their ideals and beliefs(the fact that some folks take "liberal" term as an insult really makes me wonder, don't you think? If someone says "typical con righty" nobody says anything, but I say liberal mentality and everyone goes nuts? This is why my pals who are moderate and other independent read this topic and told me "Pete just ignore these guys, when they start calling your extreme they're clearly not willing to listen to anything you say" this is why I believe you're one of the few I can actually speak with in a mature fashion. Besides, whether we like it or not the country is and has always been about(by majority outside of indenpendent and undecided voters) by the right or the left. So, not labeling just a fact of life for the time being in America.

That's the thing though, you see people often misunderstand me(as usual) on here outside of people who actually DO know me personally, people post hypocritical posts such as "he's set in his mindset" yet those very people aren't? lol That's why anything and everything I post is instantly dismissed. So am I perfect or something? No, who is? Am I always wrong? Doubtful, but maybe sometimes(I am human afterall like you) Am I however heavily outnumbered by opposing views? Fuck yes. And this is a main reason why I'm a loner in this topic. I'm getting the vibe from you, you're not a liberal or conservative but have your own beliefs, but at the same time shouldn't be easily influenced by "majority" of a topic, majority doesn't = always correct, it just means majority. Half the people in here against hold a personal bias from other nonsense you have to remember. As for getting my points across, look I'm totally open to discuss anything despite if you agree with me or not, but when someone starts tossing insults or claiming "everyone here hates me" just lies to try to use as a tool for an argument then I can't take them seriously and it shows me they'd rather insult me as oppose to respect my difference in opinion.




@Zoid, not shitting on my own argument, merely pointing out facts concerning the effect weed has on your brain when smoked excessively..that is all. Hey, maybe you're right Maybe he got dumber because he smoked so much pot, EXACTLY my point! lol do you not see this? Why did he get dumber, use your own words against you now to prove my own point, because he smoked TOO MUCH weed! I rest my case...and yes, that's why I said when smoked heavily past 7 times a week. I'm not trying to post why it's not legalized or illegal, but just saying regardless of that it still harms your brain cells when smoked often. As for it being legal or not, already covered that while ago. I feel it shouldn't be legal outside of medical purposes. Just my opinion on that, we all have one. That's mine.
He got dumber because he WASTED TOO MUCH TIME smoking the weed. It had NOTHING to do with the actual weed, it was his own choice to ignore responsibilities for weed. The same can be said for any pasttime. If I stopped running every day and doing well in school for MK, that would be my fault for neglecting those things, not MK's. And Revolver already posted the quote where it says those studies were inconclusive, a la you have no more legs to stand on.
 

eks

Noob
The second one just says you only kill brain cells if you smoke it like 10 times a week. You do realize that alcohol can kill brain cells, but it is legal. Smoking can kill brain cells, but it is still legal. Weed takes much more repetition to kill any brain cells than the other two. If people use it that much then that is their fault, this does not prove why it should not be legalized.
Read the conclusion again:
If you smoke every single day, you might not be doing the best thing for your brain. Maybe.

But killing neurons?

Who knows. The damn scientists can’t seem to figure it out one way or the other. But it does seem clear that the idea that when you light up you fry your brain is entirely an exaggeration. It did make a cool commercial though.
It says in that article that the results are completely inconclusive. I know you're not arguing that it does, but I'm furthering your point, and showing that MKF is shooting himself in the foot with his own source. Hell, the article doesn't even say how much they're smoking each time they "light up". The results the article is going from could mean somebody took a single drag each morning (allowing a single ZigZag joint to last an entire week), or they could've smoked 3 Blunts in a single sitting, but whatever the case, the article still says that the results are inconclusive.

The bottom line is there is NO evidence showing MJ kills brain cells, and if there were, we could go to any mainstream site (youtube, FoxNews, CNN, etc.) or medical/science journals to find sources for this instead of some unknown dude's blog. You could google "effects of marijuana on brain cells" and 1,000 articles would pop up explaining that it does kill them rather than a million and one articles saying "nobody knows if it kills them".

In fact, let's do that: effects of marijuana on brain cells

Please find a CONCLUSIVE website or study that shows that MJ does any permanent damage to the brain. I didn't find any on the first page (which is all I'm gonna look at since I'm not trying to prove someone else's point for them), but the first 2 links are based on information from The National Institute on Drug Abuse and both say that all we have is inconclusive information about its effects on brain cells. The next few articles actually say that it may actually cause brain cell growth, which I thought was impossible.

BTW, I've never been a habitual user of any elicit chemical, including weed. I'm just someone who thinks personal freedoms are important and I think it's insane to stick people in prison for YEARS just because they wanted to get high.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
lol how am I wrong when several articles state clinically tested evidence after basic tests show weed=kills brain cells? Keep in mind I never said it would "kill you" the amount of weed for that would be ridiculous(it's like water, you'd have to drink a shit ton in small amount of time before your body pees it out) you're not getting what I'm saying, clinical studies prove that weed harms, and kills brain cells when smoked HEAVY. That's also what the page said, did you just skip that part? lol
I have never talked to such a fucking retard ever in my life. English motherfucker, can you read it? Let me put your fucking shit in flowchart form son:

->state marijuana kills brain cells
->someone says it doesn't kill brain cells and posts proof
->say they're wrong
->google search "marijuana kills brain cells" and blindly post the links
->realize what you posted actually counters your point
->get called out for it
->state that you posted several articles proving your case
->???
->profit


Do you know why people resort to personal attacks against you? Because you're either so fucking stupid or the greatest internet troll to ever exist. Nowhere, anywhere, does anything say (except some dude's brother when they were kids) that it kills brain cells. What the fuck are you talking about? Does your brain somehow refuse to be wrong, and your eyes manipulate your reality to fit your beliefs? This couldn't be any more plain and clear. This isn't even a debate, this is several people trying to get through to you to show you what a FACT is. There is nothing you can argue here to be correct. Do you understand this, or no?
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
Marijuana smoke comes from marijuana plant, if you eat it obviously more harm would come from it due to the chemicals, smoked won't "hurt" you in the sense of death(at least it shouldn't) but it does still harm your brain cells as well as certain abilities that the brain covers as proved in those tests via the one link I provided.

Dude, you don't know SHIT about weed! Jesus fucking christ, can people still not try to argue about something they know absolutely nothing about? When you use a vaporizer or when you eat it, all that affects your brain is the THC, the active ingredient. There is nothing in the actual plant matter that would do anything different to your body than eating grass. Your body's pathways don't even work in a way that it could otherwise harm you. Smoke is completely different.... ALL smoke from anything can be bad for you.
 

Satan1

Ice Pirate
Wasn't this a voting thread, lol...
About the ganja:
-Yes, it probably kills braincells (probably less when eaten or vaporised) - but significantly less than alcohol or other legal foods & drugs.
-Yes, it can be addictive & dangerous but so are many other foods, substances or activities (a friend of me even crippled his back because of a gaming addiction by sitting in a bad chair all that time...).
-Yes, it should be legal (like most drugs)...If we are 'smart' about alcohol, why can't we smoke a spliff or pop a pill? It would save a lot of money on drug wars and even generate money through taxes. And please don't think all this stuff is illegal because of your health, it's illegal because it generates money for a small group off rich people (mobsters and politicians).

MKF30 : You need to save some money and go see the world, dude, because you have a twisted vision of the world (and others in this thread to... :( ). Ever been to a muslim country, Afrika, South-America or even the EU? I don't think you have been, and probably never will because of all the lies that they printed on your hippocampus. You should travel (don't forget to talk to the locals :eek:) and it'll open your eyes in a jiffy.

Politics/Religion/Capitalism is just about money and power and most politicians live by the Divide et Impera rule to maintain those high positions. The funny thing is that we see ourselves as "the better & smarter animal", but at the same time can't take care of ourselves, or more importantly, take care of our Planet (and she will live on, we won't...).
 

aj1701

Champion
Zoidberg747 said:
You do realize that alcohol can kill brain cells, but it is legal. Smoking can kill brain cells, but it is still legal. Weed takes much more repetition to kill any brain cells than the other two. If people use it that much then that is their fault, this does not prove why it should not be legalized.
Actually thats not true. A recent experiment showed the cells aren't killed. What happens us that the cells responsible for memory are blocked from working, but its temporary.
 

eks

Noob
Actually thats not true. A recent experiment showed the cells aren't killed. What happens us that the cells responsible for memory are blocked from working, but its temporary.
You can kill brain cells when you drink too much (i.e. alcohol poisoning), but to my knowledge, you can't overdose on marijuana, so there's no way to do the same thing with it.
 

aj1701

Champion
You can kill brain cells when you drink too much (i.e. alcohol poisoning), but to my knowledge, you can't overdose on marijuana, so there's no way to do the same thing with it.
That seems to be incorrect. Here's one of many recent news stories (on the same study): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2125977/Drunken-blackouts-arent-caused-brain-cells-killed-say-researchers.html

Even with alcohol poisoning, its not the alcohol that kills the brain cells, its lack of oxygen, 0f which alcohol is one of many ways to cause that: http://health.msn.com/mens-health/alcohol-poisoning

I'm not saying you can't drink yourself to death, obviously you can and it will damage your liver.. but killing brain cells directly does not seem to be part of the equation.

At any rate, I said nothing about pot in that post. I already stated my opinion on drug policy.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Espio872 had the right idea: From now on, all pot-related arguments should take place in matchup/frame data form.

-7-3 VS Alcohol.
-9-1 VS Synthetics.
-15-0 VS This Argument With MKF Refusing To Die.
-+16 on block advantage over Cheez-Its, +23 on eat.
Not hit. Eat. I just invented On Eat Advantage.

Also: Anyone else greatly concerned about the state of affairs between Israel and Iran right now?
 

GNG Iniquity

#bufftaquito #punchwalk #whiffycage
I just find it hilarious how MKF lives in one of the most progressive states in the US and acts like he lives somewhere in Bumblefuck, Kansas. Maybe you should move to NYC man. You could clearly use some interaction with other human beings. You know, those dirty liberals and colored people. Maybe the gays, too. ;)

Or just move to Texas, buy a pickup truck, and start going on tangents about how the South will rise again. Whichever works for you! :coffee:
 

aj1701

Champion
Also: Anyone else greatly concerned about the state of affairs between Israel and Iran right now?
Ugh. I'm so sick of the whole middle east. Fighting over a piece of shitty land, because the god all three religons share and worship supposedly did stuff there. This is why I want to move to 100% electric cars. Then everyone can forget about that place and move on.

Of course its more difficult when the best option for electricity everyone is irrationally afraid of. Maybe someday well have these things installed everywhere: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2050039,00.html
 

Espio

Kokomo
I'm holding out for Hydrogen powered vehicles particularly, anything other than oil that is safe, clean, and sustainable to be honest.

I like the diverse cultures of the Middle East, but I do not like our involvement there, American foreign policy is idiotic, hypocritical and conflict promoting in the region, which in turn screws us, the Israelis, and the Arabs/Palestinians.

Anything that helps us get out of the region in our current state, I approve because right now, we only prop up dictatorships, take a really biased approach to the Arab-Israeli conflict, and selectively target dictatorships when they don't serve us (claiming it's for democracy), while selling weapons and tech to oppressive regimes who back us. It's a vicious cycle that hopefully ends.

We could trade with these countries without manipulating their political destinies and picking sides, it makes us less safe at home to be involved in the Middle Eastern conflics.
 

aj1701

Champion
Whatever happened to the Tesla coil? Fuckin' Edison!
People didn't like it when the Soviets created huge telsa coils which repelled the Nazis in WW2 by electrocuting both people and vehicals.

I'm holding out for Hydrogen powered vehicles particularly, anything other than oil that is safe, clean, and sustainable to be honest.
The problem is that Hydrogen is difficult to get. You really need to break down water to manufactor it, and that has two problems. One you need clean, otherwise drinkable water, and two, you tend to put more enegery into the process than you end up getting out. Nuclear is safe, clean and sustainable. The waste is 100% contained and well looked after. And if we didn't have a treaty with Russia, reprocessing spent fuel to reuse would pretty much make the waste safe. Something like halflifes being cut to 10 years.

I like the diverse cultures of the Middle East, but I do not like our involvement there, American foreign policy is idiotic, hypocritical and conflict promoting in the region, which in turn screws us, the Israelis, and the Arabs/Palestinians.
I don't like our involvement there, but I'm not sure the cultures are any better. Stoning women, throwing acid at them when young girls dare to go to school, and Sharia law tramples individual freedom.

I do agree with the remainder of your post though.
 

Espio

Kokomo
The problem is that Hydrogen is difficult to get. You really need to break down water to manufactor it, and that has two problems. One you need clean, otherwise drinkable water, and two, you tend to put more enegery into the process than you end up getting out. Nuclear is safe, clean and sustainable. The waste is 100% contained and well looked after. And if we didn't have a treaty with Russia, reprocessing spent fuel to reuse would pretty much make the waste safe. Something like halflifes being cut to 10 years.

No argument there on it's difficulty to manufactor and current inefficiency.

That's the major problem with hydrogen, I just personally wanted it to take off, as it's totally clean and natural, as unrealistic as it taking off currently is for us I'd like to see continued research into this form of energy. I just want them to keep exploring every option we have in the energy sector, I hate to think we'll be out of oil in the next 50-60 years...I mean given the global modernization and industrial growth of giant countries like India and China with over a billion people in each nation, they'll be eventually burning through oil like we burn through it.


My only qualm with nuclear power is that if there is an accident, leak or explosion, entire areas are effected for decades upon decades to come

I mean I'm not disagreeing on how safe, clean, and sustainable nuclear power is overall, it's just something that worries me and that's more my issue than nuclear power not being a viable option.

I didn't realize half lifes could be cut down to 10 year periods if it's reprocessed I'll have to review that article you posted too:). I'm not super knowledgable on the reprocessing approach, so this should be fascinating.




I don't like our involvement there, but I'm not sure the cultures are any better. Stoning women, throwing acid at them when young girls dare to go to school, and Sharia law tramples individual freedom.

I do agree with the remainder of your post though.
The culture as in the music, clothing, architecture, mythology and things of that nature. It has glaring faults, that I will not disagree with because you're right.




Places like Somalia and Afghanistan have a more rampant problem with the mistreatment and persecution of women...it's definitely much worse there than for a Jordanian woman, who can go to school, hold a job in positions traditionally held by men and honor killings are much more rare, possibly on par with the domestic violence in the western world, of course I don't have the statistics, but it's horrendous in some places, much more tolerable in others.

I try to look at the Middle East in a non-collective way because there are countries there I'd delightedly visit like Jordan, but I would never set foot in others for reasons of major persecution and intolerance.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
On the subject of Israel and Iran, I don't support anyone physically hurting the other, but I support Iran. I do not recognize Israel as a legitimate state and do not believe it should exist. If they do not leave Israel, they must open the border with Palestine. If they get hurt because of it, it's their fault for treating them like shit for the past 60+ years.