What is Wrong With These People!? - The U.S. Politics Discussion Thread

[Espio]

I've heard this talking point a lot and completely disagree with it. There WILL be a difference depending who we put in office. If we voted in McCain in 2008 instead of Obama, I really think we could have been preparing for a war with Iran right now. You might get screwed either way, but one will be worse than the other. It's like, if you have the choice between killing 50 people and 60 people, would you just say "it doesn't matter"? No. There's a clear difference there.

As opposed to Obama who helped get us involved in a war with Libya and was trying really, really hard to get us involved in Syria? The only reason why Syria didn't get it is because Russia and China blocked some UN resolutions as they have an interest in Syria as an ally and as I recall they have some bases there possibly. Obama and Hilary were super keen on criticizing China and Russia, while we continue to arm, fund, and support dictatorships in the Middle East and Africa, shout outs to acting, just like every other president...including Bush.

I don't really see the difference to be honest....Obama just chose to get us involved in a different war.

Obama and other world leaders have been tightening their grip on Iran with sanctions for quite sometime, weaking the country. I'm not sure Iran's out of the woods yet. This is usually step one before invasion and occupation as of late...go to the UN, weaken the country to protect "international interests, peace, and security", then invade and attack to preserve the peace and security.....it's very formulaic, reminds me of the Bush era bullshit, the only difference being Obama's in a different party....

I'm sure the U.S. is biding it's time before they target Iran and Syria...Israel wants Iran too and our government backs Israel, even when they're wrong, so there's that to consider too.

 

[rev0lver]

As opposed to Obama who helped get us involved in a war with Libya and was trying really, really hard to get us involved in Syria? The only reason why Syria didn't get it is because Russia and China blocked some UN resolutions as they have an interest in Syria as an ally and as I recall they have some bases there possibly. Obama and Hilary were super keen on criticizing China and Russia, while we continue to arm, fund, and support dictatorships in the Middle East and Africa, shout outs to acting, just like every other president...including Bush.

I don't really see the difference to be honest....

Obama and other world leaders have been tightening their grip on Iran with sanctions for quite sometime, weaking the country. I'm not sure Iran's out of the woods yet. This is usually step one before invasion and occupation as of late...go to the UN, weaken the country to protect "international interests, peace, and security", then invade and attack to preserve the peace and security.....it's very formulaic, reminds me of the Bush era bullshit, the only difference being Obama's in a different party....

As far as Libya goes, we sent a small group for assistance. We were in and out, that was the plan and that's what happened. As far as Syria goes, we have been mostly going down the diplomatic route. This is the difference between Obama and the Republicans. I do not expect us to enter a war under Obama unless we are directly attacked.

With Iran, yes, we are trying to weaken them. But are we trying to go to war with them? No. I believe McCain explicitly stated he wants to invade Iran earlier this year/late last year. It's NOT the same thing! The Republicans want to support the Israeli agenda at all costs, but the Democrats see it differently. And speaking of the military, do you think we would have had Don't Ask Don't Tell repealed under McCain?

 

[Espio]

As far as Libya goes, we sent a small group for assistance. We were in and out, that was the plan and that's what happened. As far as Syria goes, we have been mostly going down the diplomatic route. This is the difference between Obama and the Republicans. I do not expect us to enter a war under Obama unless we are directly attacked.

With Iran, yes, we are trying to weaken them. But are we trying to go to war with them? No. I believe McCain explicitly stated he wants to invade Iran earlier this year/late last year. It's NOT the same thing! The Republicans want to support the Israeli agenda at all costs, but the Democrats see it differently. And speaking of the military, do you think we would have had Don't Ask Don't Tell repealed under McCain?

So that excuses it? It's still waging an unprovoked war and getting involved in a civil war that was really none of our concern, how long we stayed there is not in any way, shape or form relevant to that truth. I don't have such positive aspirations in regards to him not going to war unprovoked...he has already done so with Libya...what would lead you to think he won't do it again on larger scale, especially when Israrel's leadership is super keen on it too?

If you don't think we're toying with the idea of going to war with them, I dunno what to say..we don't put sanctions on other repressive dictatorships (provided they're kissing up to us and providing us with what he want, you'll notice only nations that cross us do, Saudi Arabia evades all sanctions, oddly enough...). We did this with Iraq too before it was invaded, sanctions is the starting point in most cases...exceptions exist like with Burma and North Korea (but you'll notice they were also really tight with China).

What has Obama done to show that he's for moving forward and helping toend the settlements in the West Bank, what has he done to put Israel in check? We could withdraw funding if we were serious about forcing a peaceful change. When the Democrats were a majority in Congress and controlled the Presidency, did we change our approach to Israel?

Maybe I'm not informed, but I haven't seen or heard him do anything to advance an end to this conflict that was relevant. Those 6 party talks that go nowhere is hardly a progressive gesture and has been done before as I recall.

The United States is Israel's greatest enabler and no, it is not just Republicans, it's Democrats too. You'll notice that no matter who is in power Israel still gets the same treatment, have you noticed any changes between our relationship since Obama has been in office? He acted like he might get serious, then backed off rather quickly.


I'm not one to play into hypotheticals and it doesn't excuse what we're talking about currently.

DADT would have been repealed eventually(as such laws have been overturned either via Supreme Court decisions or the legislature in other countries who used to have similar laws), Obama wasn't the only reason it got repealed, the legislature had to back it, including moderate Republicans and Democrats.

I'll give him credit for promoting its repeal, he certainly did help with that, not going to argue otherwise.

 

[Flagg]

American history is full of politicians or community leaders who tried to be different and who spoke out about the system.

They usually ended up being assassinated.

If there is a gun nut in Arkansas with a shed full of guns, it's only a matter of time before he turns it on someone. Doesn't mean it will be the first Leader that is truly for the people. You make it sound like you don't want change.

I've heard this talking point a lot and completely disagree with it. There WILL be a difference depending who we put in office. If we voted in McCain in 2008 instead of Obama, I really think we could have been preparing for a war with Iran right now. You might get screwed either way, but one will be worse than the other. It's like, if you have the choice between killing 50 people and 60 people, would you just say "it doesn't matter"? No. There's a clear difference there.



I don't think the protest is large enough to take a Democrat out of office. With Bush, it was more like "this fucking sucks, we need to get rid of this right wing shit". Right now, it's more like a general "this one is better tan the other". I really think any republican would be considered an underdog for national office right now. When Romney gets more focus and when he actually debates Obama in the coming months, I fully expect positive opinions to change. We already know who Obama is, but so far Romney's only had a sliver of the spotlight.

No, killing 50 people as oppossed to 60 people is mass murder whatever way you look at it. The only difference is, you find out later "oh, if i'd opted to kill 60 people we might have got the a CEO of one of the Banks".

You couldn't vote for McCaine because frankly, the guy was nearly as old as what Margaret Thatcher is now and she hasn't been in power for about 30 years, plus Sarah Palin is a gross insult to the intelligence of Americans. But you voted for a guy that spent more money on his promoting himself to the electorate than anyone in history...bad omen considering the US national debt?

And what change will there be? How much lip service do you have to hear before you realise "hmm, this guy is just saying the same thing as that guy, only he words it better....and oh, he lied and didn't do anything".

There is literally no difference between Obama and Romney. Do they care about the economy? Or you? Or anyone? Course not. Recessions don't affect multi millionaires with political agendas. To them, the country and the world is just a big arena to play a game on at the expense of the tax payer. One big pissing contest at the expense of peoples livlihoods.

Politicians are completely out of touch with the reality of normal, law abiding, tax paying citizens. I'd wager neither of them knows the price of a pint of milk or how much it costs to get satalite TV or any other "mediocre" expense that is quite important to 90% of the population.

 

[Purple Haze]

If there is a gun nut in Arkansas with a shed full of guns, it's only a matter of time before he turns it on someone. Doesn't mean it will be the first Leader that is truly for the people. You make it sound like you don't want change.

Don't be naive enough to think people haven't tried change. They've been trying for decades and the result has always been the same. The system is corrupt. Politicians are pawns for the people who really run countries. Whenever anyone tries to initiate change or speak out about things that are corrupt they often end up dead or 'missing' or simply framed and smeared and their careers ruined before they are even started. That's politics.

And 'the people' are as bad as politicians in most cases. Narrow minded, bigoted, selfish, tribal. Politicians have only been able to do what they've been doing for centuries thanks to the people who keep voting for them and supporting their lies and charades.

 

[Flagg]

Don't be naive enough to think people haven't tried change. They've been trying for decades and the result has always been the same. The system is corrupt. Politicians are pawns for the people who really run countries. Whenever anyone tries to initiate change or speak out about things that are corrupt they often end up dead or 'missing' or simply framed and smeared and their careers ruined. That's politics.

And 'the people' are as bad as politicians in most cases. Narrow minded, bigoted, selfish, tribal. Politicians have only been able to do what they've been doing for centuries thanks to the people who keep voting for them and believing their lies and charades.

Yeah but that's the generation of our parents and their parents before them. Most of them come from times where things like sexism and racism was acceptable and that kind of thing isn't the case today.

Our generation are more tolerant today than any other generation previous. I'm aware of how stupid the general population is, but for the most part, our generation who are extremely internet savvy, all seem to share the same goal in one degree or another. Most of us want more tollerance, most of us want a change to corruption. I'm also aware that these things cant happen over night but with stranglehold that the Rupert Murdoch empire has had over the Britain since 1981 looking like it's coming to an end, now is the time for our generation to say no more.

 

[Purple Haze]

Yeah but that's the generation of our parents and their parents before them. Most of them come from times where things like sexism and racism was acceptable and that kind of thing isn't the case today.

Our generation are more tolerant today than any other generation previous. I'm aware of how stupid the general population is, but for the most part, our generation who are extremely internet savvy, all seem to share the same goal in one degree or another. Most of us want more tollerance, most of us want a change to corruption. I'm also aware that these things cant happen over night but with stranglehold that the Rupert Murdoch empire has had over the Britain since 1981 looking like it's coming to an end, now is the time for our generation to say no more.

Which is why governments are looking to crack down on the Internet.

The 'system' WILL collapse simply because countries like the USA are on the edge. Pretty much every country in Europe is out of money and people are demonstrating every week. The USA is 20 zillion dollars in debt and when it goes down it will take a lot of people with it.

As oil gets less and there is more demand for food and clean water and the quality of life goes down, countries will get closer to civil war.

The fact is, it's probably already too late for most countries. The USA is riddled with debt, its addiction to oil is great and desperate, its leaders already sold most of the USA out to the Japanese and the Chinese.

I think it's just a case of trying to keep afloat for as long as possible until the inevitable collapse and the chaos that goes with it.

Still, gotta laugh eh?

 

[Abra Kapocus]

It's the same old process.

1. Right wing nutjobs scare democrats
2. Democrats, motivated by fear, vote for whatever pre-screened tool calls itself a democrat
3. As long as said democrat can talk a good game, they can get away with blaming republicans for their failures
4. Corporate and financial industry donors and lobbyists can count on both parties serving their ends
5. The left moves right, and as long as there's someone farther to the right, fearful democrats move the country to the right every election cycle

To fix this problem, we not only need a rollback of every SCOTUS campaign finance decision from Buckley v. Valeo to Citizens United, and make accepting corporate bribes equitable to treason. Of course, that's just for starters. I don't know what we could possibly do to keep our imperialistic misadventures in check (like the one that fucked up Iran to begin with, ie: Operation Ajax).

It's like Thomas Jefferson said, "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

 

[Espio]

if you have the choice between killing 50 people and 60 people, would you just say "it doesn't matter"? No. There's a clear difference there.

I forgot to address this part of the post, either way, life is being lost by supporting either individual correct?

I prefer to support none of them, so the blood is not on my hands, I will remain politically active, but I will not do things that are counter to positive growth on purpose, simply to say: Oh well these two have the best chance of winning, so let's support them, even though they're both wrong too.

Let me put it to you this way: If there are 3 people and since you used the killer example, we'll go with that.

There are 2 killers and 1 normal sane person, I have a choice to either help the decent, sane person fight and lose or side with killers, I'd rather lose for ethical reasons than win for unsavory ones. I will back the sane person, I want moderation and progress to win, not stagnation and two party politics, that's precisely how they get away with all this garbage.

 

[aj1701]

Actually I am but others don't want to hear opposing views(god forbid) so I'm not even going to bother anymore...this site clearly leans left and that's a fact from majority of the posts, I've realized thanks to a few friends who I linked this thread to who are independent and another moderate(who are older people) and both told me everyone in here is liberal or moderate, I'm wasting my breath so I'll take their advice..

I'm not sure how you can say that. For the most part you are stating things that really are not true. I don't disagree necessarly with some of your points, but what you're trying to use to back them up is often incorrect. Its not helping your cause. Believe me, I don't want Obamacare, I fully support the NRA and I do support individual rights, mostly where government is concerned, less is more. The parts where I differ in my opinions from you is thinks like drug control policy, abortion and (I'm just assuming, so if I'm wrong, so be it) right to die laws. My opinions there are also based in individual freedom.

No offense but you sound like you go where the wind blows...one day you're like trying to tell me ignore these guys, some of them don't know what they're talking about and don't respond so they don't troll..next I'm closeminded? lol Ok, I guess we all are then man since everyone has an opinion.

No, I'm thinking for myself, and forming my own opinions. I'm not on your side, nor am I against you. You should ignore their insults and such. You must always keep a level head and not get emotional; you can't even come across as emotional whether you are or are not. You probably should look into some of the things you're saying are "facts" as its likely not a mass dilusion shared by TYM members. I don't get the impression from you that you really are open to changing your mind when confronted with new information. You should be.

Like I said though, I do agree with some of your points, and I agree with some of the points from others here. I think it is pretty said to say membership on this site is more left than right, if you needed to rate it that way; which I don't really find useful, I'd rather discuss the issues instead of caring about how people are trying to label the view point or myself. Who cares if a person or idea is left or right, lets just talk about the idea.

 

[aj1701]

Lol the Constitution Party. I like how extremist groups/political parties hide behind such innocuous names. Reminds me of organizations like the Family Research Council.

Yikes, what happened to them? I think I checked them out around 2001, and they seemed fine... just wanted to move government more back in line with the Constitution. But now there's all this religous garbage in their platform.

 

[aj1701]

Why is anyone even talking about Romney or Obama?

Surely there is a 3rd option, or do you all enjoy drinking pepsi and cola all the time?

As long as we have political parties, no, there really isn't a 3rd option. Its a rigged game.

 

[aj1701]

I disagree with you here. I think the Republicans will win. I think the main reason Obama got into power in the first place was as a protest vote against the Bush regime who most of the country, even many conservatives were sick of. Plus those blacks who voted for him just because they had the misguided notion that 'one of their own' would somehow make life better for them won't bother voting for him this time probably.

I have to disagree. Obama did win for the reasons you state, I think, but historically speaking he'd have to F up majorly for the incumbent not to win. Also, none of the Rep candidates are that strong and they've been ripping each other apart pretty badly, which leaves a bad taste in people's mouths. Finally, it seems that the Reps are disorganized, I don't really see any clear message from that party, likely because they're fighting each other more than anything. Maybe that will change, but i'd be kinda suprised.

 

[Flagg]

Which is why governments are looking to crack down on the Internet.

The 'system' WILL collapse simply because countries like the USA are on the edge. Pretty much every country in Europe is out of money and people are demonstrating every week. The USA is 20 zillion dollars in debt and when it goes down it will take a lot of people with it.

As oil gets less and there is more demand for food and clean water and the quality of life goes down, countries will get closer to civil war.

The fact is, it's probably already too late for most countries. The USA is riddled with debt, its addiction to oil is great and desperate, its leaders already sold most of the USA out to the Japanese and the Chinese.

I think it's just a case of trying to keep afloat for as long as possible until the inevitable collapse and the chaos that goes with it.

Still, gotta laugh eh?

Well the internet is one of the few places that the media can influence web surfers. I heard that the U.S. economy grew in the last quarter, but your debt is sky high. While our debt, in ratio, is not as high, our economy shrunk last quarter.

As someone that graduated in Environmental Science last year, I am 95% positive that once oil runs out, countries will start fighting over water.

There are some intelligent people on this forum and I like debating/chatting with like minded, but I would be astounded if the human race will survive beyond 2099.

When the shit really hits the fan, most of us will probably be dead. Just dont have kids unless you want them to inherit a world that is literally a living Hell.

 

[MKF30]

@Revol, well at least you admit something that you bumped the topic because you took a comment way out of text...(good job btw) with luck this will get locked.

Actually, yeah I did but feel free to believe what you want dude I find it amusing at this point honestly. I noticed every Obama point I posted you completely ignored(as usual) but that's ok like I said dude, believe what you wish.

I also must admit, I find it highly ironic and hilarious that a liberal like yourself has a name "revolver"


@purple, nah I'd say given your posts you're the one that has a warped sense of reality. Who the hell is obsessed with purple crabs? I'm sorry but I just can't take anyone seriously who has such a "hobby" if you can even call it that, but then I forget you're the same guy who calls others "extremists" for merely opposing your view...SMH and nope, sorry but me being an oldschool conservative with some independent views doesn't translate to extremism. I don't bomb people, don't protest with violence to get my points across nor do I practice "extreme" ideals in any way. I'm just against Obama's ideals, to you I suppose I can see why you'd think that, you're a liberal(deny it all you want, you constantly attack the right and ignore the left's mishaps) I'm no victim, but I just don't mind calling people out on their hypocritical bs. Clearly you're bad at detecting sarcasm, I said I wouldn't be surprised if you two were the same but obviously it's not(I do find it cute though how you constantly back each other up) really lol. Once again, you fail to see anyone else's view outside of your own. *yawn* I wasn't aware "facts" and "opinions" translates to made up crap. You're are indeed very special.

I'm not sure how you can say that. For the most part you are stating things that really are not true. I don't disagree necessarly with some of your points, but what you're trying to use to back them up is often incorrect. Its not helping your cause. Believe me, I don't want Obamacare, I fully support the NRA and I do support individual rights, mostly where government is concerned, less is more. The parts where I differ in my opinions from you is thinks like drug control policy, abortion and (I'm just assuming, so if I'm wrong, so be it) right to die laws. My opinions there are also based in individual freedom.



No, I'm thinking for myself, and forming my own opinions. I'm not on your side, nor am I against you. You should ignore their insults and such. You must always keep a level head and not get emotional; you can't even come across as emotional whether you are or are not. You probably should look into some of the things you're saying are "facts" as its likely not a mass dilusion shared by TYM members. I don't get the impression from you that you really are open to changing your mind when confronted with new information. You should be.

Like I said though, I do agree with some of your points, and I agree with some of the points from others here. I think it is pretty said to say membership on this site is more left than right, if you needed to rate it that way; which I don't really find useful, I'd rather discuss the issues instead of caring about how people are trying to label the view point or myself. Who cares if a person or idea is left or right, lets just talk about the idea.

What things am I stating that aren't true? That Obama has socialist methods? That he's all for himself? That he's a radical liberal? I don't understand because anyone who's objective or did their own research knows this is true based on the history of socialism, and him wanting to alter the constitution? How is that false when he even admitted it?

I disagree, I'm merely rebelling against Obamacare for reasons already listed...whoever agrees, fine, disagrees fine. But don't tell me "I'm warped or crazy" because not saying you but others who say that clearly=have no counterargument, thus why I said majority of posters in here are liberals who resort to such petty methods to try to compensate for lack therefore of a better argument...

You appear to not be liberal, but you seem to try to save face. Not a horrible idea but I'm very firm on my beliefs guess you can say. I personally don't care, I don't mind standing up to opposing views. People will either agree or disagree with you at the end of the day. On the drug and abortion thing, ok fine you and I just disagree. That's your right, as it is mine. Only thing you're off about me is being openminded, I know that's just another "label" by the left that 'oh the right isn't openminded' actually I am, I'm just not open to radically absurd ideas or ones that appear as such to me...but it seems like you and I agree on some things, disagree on others. That's fine, but yeah I give you props for not resorting to insults like some others here who merely ignore what some people say.

 

[Purple Haze]

@Revol, well at least you admit something that you bumped the topic because you took a comment way out of text...(good job btw) with luck this will get locked.

Actually, yeah I did but feel free to believe what you want dude I find it amusing at this point honestly. I noticed every Obama point I posted you completely ignored(as usual) but that's ok like I said dude, believe what you wish.

I also must admit, I find it highly ironic and hilarious that a liberal like yourself has a name "revolver"

@purple, nah I'd say given your posts you're the one that has a warped sense of reality. Who the hell is obsessed with purple crabs? I'm sorry but I just can't take anyone seriously who has such a "hobby" if you can even call it that, but then I forget you're the same guy who calls others "extremists" for merely opposing your view...SMH

Pointing out your lies and delusions MKF doesn't make anyone else warped. Revolver has no problem pointing out he bumped the thread. Unlike you who just did again.

Your weird obsession with my avatar just further highlights your lack of usefulness as a poster. How does putting a picture of a crab in my avatar make me obsessed with them or mean they are a hobby? What is your obsession with constantly talking about it? Your constant flaming about my avatar for no reason just gives another reason why people dismiss you as a weirdo.

If you act like an extremist that's how people will treat you. It's not so much your political views but your whole attitude which is why no one supports you and the whole thread is full of people pointing out you are full of lies, insults and flaming with nothing of worth to add to the thread.

 

[MKF30]

Pointing out your lies and delusions MKF doesn't make anyone else warped. Revolver has no problem pointing out he bumped the thread. Unlike you who just did again.

Your weird obsession with my avatar just further highlights your lack of usefulness as a poster. How does putting a picture of a crab in my avatar make me obsessed with them or mean they are a hobby? What is your obsession with constantly talking about it? Your constant flaming about my avatar for no reason just gives another reason why people dismiss you as a weirdo.

If you act like an extremist that's how people will treat you. It's not so much your political views but your whole attitude which is why no one supports you and the whole thread is full of people pointing out you are full of lies, insults and flaming with nothing of worth to add to the thread.

I'm not the one delusional or lying, I merely disagree with you. But like I said, keep thinking "I have warped ideals" no, the reality is I just don't agree with Obama's...try to get a handle on that. I'm not obsessed with your avatar anymore then you're obsessed with me "being an extremist" as you say so humor me why don't you. I'm not flaming your avatar, I just said you're calling me "warped" and such, yet do you have an actual counter case legit? Well, again, I'm hardly an extremist, it's not my problem people like you misjudge me due to difference in views. I just don't agree with the leftwing agenda, what can I say? Yeah, you should follow your advice there concerning your last statement.

 

[Purple Haze]

I'm not the one delusional or lying, I merely disagree with you. But like I said, keep thinking "I have warped ideals" no, the reality is I just don't agree with Obama's...try to get a handle on that. I'm not obsessed with your avatar anymore then you're obsessed with me "being an extremist" as you say so humor me why don't you. I'm not flaming your avatar, I just said you're calling me "warped" and such, yet do you have an actual counter case legit? Well, again, I'm hardly an extremist, it's not my problem people like you misjudge me due to difference in views. I just don't agree with the leftwing agenda, what can I say? Yeah, you should follow your advice there concerning your last statement.

All you do is lie and act delusionally. You lie about pretty much everything, even things in this thread like when you said I said Saudi king and I didn't.

The last few days everyone has been talking about the thread subject then again you come in, bump the thread and start rambling about nothing to do with the thread subject, attack people based on their avatars and generally show why you are regarded as a troll by nearly everyone on the site.

You haven't just disagreed, you have accused people of being things they haven't, lied about what you said, ignored facts, tried to pass off your own opinions as fact and keep posting stuff that has nothing to do with the thread topic.

You keep talking about my avatar which has nothing to do with anything. Why even mention it, let alone attack me for it? Just makes you look like an even bigger idiot than normal.

Your extremist mentality is the fact you can't admit you're wrong or see anyone else's point of view, as well as you keep calling anyone a liberal who just points out things you say which aren't true.

 

[rev0lver]

I also must admit, I find it highly ironic and hilarious that a liberal like yourself has a name "revolver"

I'm actually against gun control, if that's what you're implying. And what about Obama am I ignoring? The non-dangerous friends he doesn't have?

This Obama shit is unbelievable... I AM A SOCIALIST. Why am I not dickriding Obama? Because he constantly compromises with the right wing and gives them what they want. He made the most moderate health care reform bill he possibly could. He keeps tax cuts for the rich. The fact that he has to cave in so much and STILL get called an extreme liberal socialist shows how fucked up the republican party is right now. It's not just MKF, it's a bunch of people in there. He would have to take Rick Santorum's platform to be called a "moderate liberal" by these guys.


And I totally forgot about that presidency stuff by Espio... I'm gonna reply to that when I have time.

 

[MKF30]

All you do is lie and act delusionally. You lie about pretty much everything, even things in this thread like when you said I said Saudi king and I didn't.

The last few days everyone has been talking about the thread subject then again you come in, bump the thread and start rambling about nothing to do with the thread subject, attack people based on their avatars and generally show why you are regarded as a troll by nearly everyone on the site.

You haven't just disagreed, you have accused people of being things they haven't, lied about what you said, ignored facts, tried to pass off your own opinions as fact and keep posting stuff that has nothing to do with the thread topic.

You keep talking about my avatar which has nothing to do with anything. Why even mention it, let alone attack me for it? Just makes you look like an even bigger idiot than normal.

Your extremist mentality is the fact you can't admit you're wrong or see anyone else's point of view, as well as you keep calling anyone a liberal who just points out things you say which aren't true.

Not really, all you do is ignore opposing facts and perspectives and figure "it's easier to say he's delusional"

Sorry but that doesn't do you credit for a valid argument. Stop with this bumping, you clearly don't even know what it means. Bumping is when a thread is left to DIE and someone randomly comes months later and bumps it, I'm not bumping it, the recents posts are recent and mine are no different. And I didn't attack you based on your avatar, anymore then you're attacking me calling me "an extremist" not really, everyone doesn't count as you so stop trying to speak for the entire site. I have many friends on here, and many who don't like me. Do I care? No. I don't care about your avatar, it was a joke...good lord. If I'm an extremist, then you're a radical liberal.

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@Revolver, What Obama shit? That he's being called a liberal? Then what is he? lol. Certainly not a republican, conservative or libertarian. I figured... given your name which is why I'm surprised since you're very liberal with everything else(that's usually a big topic for people) Then you know that NY is anal with gun laws since you're staying here for school right?​

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Well, aside from that oh I don't know everything I posted regarding his policies, why they're flawed etc. But whatever...You are though, lol you've YET to bash Obama or criticize him on anything, like I said everything negative I've posted concerning his policies and ideals you conveniently sweep under the rug or ignore and just come at me with "when did you prove me wrong or post a counter argument" well when I do you choose to ignore it. I can't help you there. How is it fucked up when people who aren't bending to Obama's will can form an opinion on their own about him? It's not just the republican party, it's EVERYONE who's against Obama...Rick is nothing like Obama besides, he dropped out anyway.​

 

[Purple Haze]

@purple, nah I'd say given your posts you're the one that has a warped sense of reality. Who the hell is obsessed with purple crabs? I'm sorry but I just can't take anyone seriously who has such a "hobby" if you can even call it that, but then I forget you're the same guy who calls others "extremists" for merely opposing your view...SMH and nope, sorry but me being an oldschool conservative with some independent views doesn't translate to extremism. I don't bomb people, don't protest with violence to get my points across nor do I practice "extreme" ideals in any way. I'm just against Obama's ideals, to you I suppose I can see why you'd think that, you're a liberal(deny it all you want, you constantly attack the right and ignore the left's mishaps) I'm no victim, but I just don't mind calling people out on their hypocritical bs. Clearly you're bad at detecting sarcasm, I said I wouldn't be surprised if you two were the same but obviously it's not(I do find it cute though how you constantly back each other up) really lol. Once again, you fail to see anyone else's view outside of your own. *yawn* I wasn't aware "facts" and "opinions" translates to made up crap. You're are indeed very special.



What things am I stating that aren't true? That Obama has socialist methods? That he's all for himself? That he's a radical liberal? I don't understand because anyone who's objective or did their own research knows this is true based on the history of socialism, and him wanting to alter the constitution? How is that false when he even admitted it?

I disagree, I'm merely rebelling against Obamacare for reasons already listed...whoever agrees, fine, disagrees fine. But don't tell me "I'm warped or crazy" because not saying you but others who say that clearly=have no counterargument, thus why I said majority of posters in here are liberals who resort to such petty methods to try to compensate for lack therefore of a better argument...

You appear to not be liberal, but you seem to try to save face. Not a horrible idea but I'm very firm on my beliefs guess you can say. I personally don't care, I don't mind standing up to opposing views. People will either agree or disagree with you at the end of the day. On the drug and abortion thing, ok fine you and I just disagree. That's your right, as it is mine. Only thing you're off about me is being openminded, I know that's just another "label" by the left that 'oh the right isn't openminded' actually I am, I'm just not open to radically absurd ideas or ones that appear as such to me...but it seems like you and I agree on some things, disagree on others. That's fine, but yeah I give you props for not resorting to insults like some others here who merely ignore what some people say.

I like the way you go back and edit in a load of shit to each post hoping people will miss it MKF. Your pathetic accusations of me and Revolver being the same person are just more proof of your deranged mentality. If everyone who pointed out you are full of shit was the same person there would only be you and 1 other person on this site.

There you again telling people what THEY are. No, I am NOT a liberal. Trying to pigeonhole people based on what YOU want them to be makes you look even more of an extremist. You don't have to be a liberal to point out your lies and delusions. I haven't even mentioned my political beliefs at all.

No point copying and pasting back at me what I said about you not being able to see anyone else's point of view. That's you, not anyone else in this thread.

This latest post shows you again to be a deranged, flaming extremist. Just like all the other 200 posts of crap you've posted in this thread.

 

[Purple Haze]

Not really, all you do is ignore opposing facts and perspectives and figure "it's easier to say he's delusional"

Sorry but that doesn't do you credit for a valid argument. Stop with this bumping, you clearly don't even know what it means. Bumping is when a thread is left to DIE and someone randomly comes months later and bumps it, I'm not bumping it, the recents posts are recent and mine are no different. And I didn't attack you based on your avatar, anymore then you're attacking me calling me "an extremist" not really, everyone doesn't count as you so stop trying to speak for the entire site. I have many friends on here, and many who don't like me. Do I care? No. I don't care about your avatar, it was a joke...good lord. If I'm an extremist, then you're a radical liberal.

There you go again trying to make out your lies are facts. They aren't. They are lies and your own ignorant opinions.So people point that out.

Every time the thread dies you bump it to carry on making accusations about people and attack their avatars or whatever because you don't have anything useful or factual to add to the thread.

Yes you did attack me based on my avatar. There you go lying again.

You said,

Who the hell is obsessed with purple crabs? I'm sorry but I just can't take anyone seriously who has such a "hobby" if you can even call it that

What does that have to do with anything? Anyone who attacks people's avatars and claims not to respect them because they picked a random picture out of Google images has serious mental problems which you obviously do.

As you have nothing factual or relevant to add to the thread, all you do is flame people and make mindless attacks on them. Typical extremist behaviour.

Where are your many friends on here? Everyone in this thread and the other political one called you out for your BS and said you weren't worth speaking to.

 

[MKF30]

I like the way you go back and edit in a load of shit to each post hoping people will miss it MKF. Your pathetic accusations of me and Revolver being the same person are just more proof of your deranged mentality. If everyone who pointed out you are full of shit was the same person there would only be you and 1 other person on this site.

There you again telling people what THEY are. No, I am NOT a liberal. Trying to pigeonhole people based on what YOU want them to be makes you look even more of an extremist. You don't have to be a liberal to point out your lies and delusions. I haven't even mentioned my political beliefs at all.

No point copying and pasting back at me what I said about you not being able to see anyone else's point of view. That's you, not anyone else in this thread.

This latest post shows you again to be a deranged, flaming extremist. Just like all the other 200 posts of crap you've posted in this thread.

It's called editing to prevent spamming with unnecessary posts, since you insist on posting two posts to address one...I have to do so. I edit because I want you to see it. Yeah, sure blah, blah pathetic accusations. Angry much? lol Keep it coming with the insults man, you got nothing, yeah I just call it how I see it. Deny it or accept it, I really don't give a shit at this point. No it's not what I want them to be, it's how they come off...again, have you critized the left at all? hmm NOPE! Point proven, but you're not afraid to hate on the right or those opposing Obama. Hardly delusional, I just call em how I see them. I'm not an extremist, or deranged. Like I said you hardly know me so just stop repeating yourself. Your entire post is one big flame now. Yeah, keep crying over a little avatar joke and call me an extremist. For your info, calling someone you don't even know an extremist is FAR more offensive then mocking your little crab avatar...I was merely joking about that, like what you want I don't care really. But stop acting like you're a victim or something when all you're doing now is attacking me verbally with this "extremist" bs.

Curious, since you said "I sit here all day bumping threads" what do you do exactly? Because I haven't been on here in nearly two days, yet everytime I come on here you're anxiously waiting for me to post? lol That's funny, sad but funny.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Why don't you guys just put MKF on ignore? I did this a long time ago. He's the only person keeping this thread bumped. I don't know why you guys continue wasting time arguing with him. Everyone else on this board is pretty rational, except for MKF, so it's kind of trivial isn't it?

 

[MKF30]

Why don't you guys just put MKF on ignore? I did this a long time ago. He's the only person keeping this thread bumped. I don't know why you guys continue wasting time arguing with him.

No I wasn't the one who bumped the topic ^ but since you have me on ignore, you can't see that. *sigh* Honestly, at this point this topic should just be closed. It speaks for itself, we all know who stands where. It's just getting personal now for no reason.