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Espio

Kokomo
Moderation > Dogmatisim.

I'm dead serious, I think most people are a mixture of conservative and liberal viewpoints, though there are certainly plenty who lean one way or the other, there's nothing wrong with that.

The problem comes with being dogmatic and so biased that you cannot look at an opposing viewpoint objectively, even if it's factually accurate, that's a serious problem.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
MKF has given up. lol.

Let's take a look at the greatest hits of my arguments with MKF, which he shrugs off as my ignorance:
-MKF saying a list of right-wing terror attacks is liberal bias
-MKF saying the Norway massacre was due to Muslim riots getting out of control
-MKF comparing coffee burns to the Oklahoma City bombing
-MKF refusing to accept Timothy McVeigh was a right-winger
-MKF claiming marijuana kills brain cells
-MKF linking a website that proves my point on the politics of the Civil Rights Act, then claiming I'm still wrong
-MKF calling random people dangerous friends of Obama
-MKF not understanding what the rich pay in taxes
-MKF claiming conservatives have never opposed hate crime laws, then completely ignoring it when I prove that wrong
-MKF continuously calling people liberals who jerk off to MSNBC, when these people keep explaining that they aren't and don't even watch that
-MKF continuously calling Obama an extreme lefty socialist (more proof on how far to the right modern politics has shifted)
-MKF apparently glossing over the words "Don't Ask Don't Tell" whenever it's brought up

Sure, you win.
 

Purple Haze

Apprentice
I treat people how they treat me, otherwise ask ANYONE who actually does know me. And you'll find I'm nothing like you say I am. Actually, no it wasn't. Again, I had made the last post before Revolver bumped it like a week ago, would you like me to post the date for you?

lol, you really don't see the hypocrisy do you? You're telling me "don't call others liberals"(even if their views scream a liberal) you seem to deny this but that aside, yet you call me "an extremist" for merely disagreeing with you. You can believe whatever you wish, her name is Audrey, and she plays MK so I consider myself very lucky ;)

Your last statement is pretty much pointless.
People treat you like you treat people. You ranted and raved at people and made things up about them and called them things they weren't and got treated like someone who does that. Everyone here knows you behave like that all the time. Every time the thread died down you kept bumping it.

There isn't any hypocrisy. You're telling people what political party they support when they tell you otherwise. Trying to tell people who they are when they tell you otherwise is the act of an extremist. Pointing out you're full of shit doesn't make anyone a liberal.

And I already told you I completely believe you have a girlfriend. Absolutely no need to convince me.
 

Purple Haze

Apprentice
With all of the "convincing" he's doing that he has a girlfriend, it's almost like he's also trying to convince himself.

Still wondering when this topic can stop being about MKF and actually be about politics. :/
The U.S. Constitution Party have recently nominated former Congressman Virgil Goode as their candidate for president.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
Lol the Constitution Party. I like how extremist groups/political parties hide behind such innocuous names. Reminds me of organizations like the Family Research Council.

So.... North Korea..... fucking shit up.

On a serious note, what are your opinions on the chances of Mitt Romney in November? More from an objective standpoint, not necessarily on opinions of his/Obama's stance on political issues.

Personally, I think Romney will have tons of support coming in throughout this summer, but it will constantly dwindle as we get closer to election time. I don't think his flip-flopping will matter in the long run (people will go by the better-than-Obama position), but things like Mormonism, his money, and social issues will become a big problem for him when they get more focus. Foreign policy is also something that Obama has a very strong hand in, I don't think Romney will be able to beat him there. These debates between Obama and Romney are going to be really interesting, I'm looking forward to them a lot. I think Romney's a much stronger speaker than McCain was.

The Vice Presidential pick will also make things interesting. It can't help him, it can only hurt him. He probably won't make a Palin-style pick, but he's going to have to be very careful, especially with the political climate of the conservative party.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
I love how certain groups translate "opposing views"=extremists...very amusing I must say.

Revolver, not really given up I just don't care lol. I've already disputed and counterproved those points or concerning the leftwing screw ups, which you conveniently ignored. So I've come to realize how you work. I know how you people think now and feel it's easier to let you believe whatever you wish, I'm sure you know everything just out of high school. Ahh, those were the days before life taught me so much.

@Purple, again like I said I treat others how I'd like to be treated but since you can't seem to get past that whole "no, no you're the crazy one" stage since I just don't agree with you, I'll let you believe just that. And again, actually no like I said I didn't bump tthis thread, you can thank your pal rev for that assuming you're not him on another name since you see to see the glass half full, but that's Ok :) I'm beginning to understand how your mind works, even if I don't particularly agree with it.
 

Purple Haze

Apprentice
I love how certain groups translate "opposing views"=extremists...very amusing I must say.

Revolver, not really given up I just don't care lol. I've already disputed and counterproved those points or concerning the leftwing screw ups, which you conveniently ignored. So I've come to realize how you work. I know how you people think now and feel it's easier to let you believe whatever you wish, I'm sure you know everything just out of high school. Ahh, those were the days before life taught me so much.

@Purple, again like I said I treat others how I'd like to be treated but since you can't seem to get past that whole "no, no you're the crazy one" stage since I just don't agree with you, I'll let you believe just that. And again, actually no like I said I didn't bump tthis thread, you can thank your pal rev for that assuming you're not him on another name since you see to see the glass half full, but that's Ok :) I'm beginning to understand how your mind works, even if I don't particularly agree with it.
People translate extremist views as extremist views. You treat people like crap and act like the victim when people point it out. People can see the times of the posts and see when you bumped the thread. There you go once again with your stupid accusations. Not content with calling people liberals for no reason you now try to make out that me and Revolver are the same person. I don't even know him. If everyone who pointed out you're full of shit was the same person this site would have 1 person on it aside from you.

Once again, another MKF30 post that has nothing to do with the subject and is just full of nonsense accusations and made up crap.
 

Flagg

Champion
Why is anyone even talking about Romney or Obama?

Surely there is a 3rd option, or do you all enjoy drinking pepsi and cola all the time?
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
Revolver, not really given up I just don't care lol. I've already disputed and counterproved those points or concerning the leftwing screw ups, which you conveniently ignored. So I've come to realize how you work. I know how you people think now and feel it's easier to let you believe whatever you wish, I'm sure you know everything just out of high school. Ahh, those were the days before life taught me so much.
Lmao you didn't disprove or counter shit dude.... your perseverance in your beliefs in impressive, however. After all this, you still think you somehow came out on top. Yes, I'm relatively young (a college sophomore), but you know how much influence age has on actual facts? Zero. The consensus of the scientific community based on dozens of recent studies on the effects of marijuana determines what those effects are, not my assumed immature beliefs. Hundreds of archived news reports on political actions and events around the world determines what history is, not my opinions.

But Purple Haze , MKF is correct in that I bumped the thread, not him. However, this was only because he so hilariously stated he "owned" me here in another thread.

But, back on topic. The most recent reports seem to show that Romney's fight will be in states like North Carolina, Virginia, and Florida. I really think he has a shot at taking those, but he's fighting an uphill battle. He's going to have to show why he's actually better than Obama now, not just how conservative he is. This will mostly boil down to a fight over economics, or at least that will be his approach to it. Do you guys think a lifelong wealthy businessman has a shot at attracting the growing voter populations in the age of the Occupy movements?
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
Why is anyone even talking about Romney or Obama?

Surely there is a 3rd option, or do you all enjoy drinking pepsi and cola all the time?
Because we aren't given much of a choice. No matter how good it feels, a vote for someone else is a wasted vote. By the way, pepsi is a cola. You're thinking of coke. lol. But if we're deciding the national soda, and most of the country is drinking pepsi or coke, no one's going to give two shits if you're off in the corner sipping on some fanta. It doesn't matter if you like it better, it's meaningless and you're better off helping to make the right choice out of the ones who actually stand a chance.
 

Espio

Kokomo
It's still not productive to vote for the lesser of two evils, two party politics was a fool hardy decision that we're sadly stuck with for now....looking at other countries....even if one or two other parties dominate a legislature or presidency, it's still very possible for delegates from other parties to win seats in legislature and in some cases presidency.

I looked at the make up at the legislatures in Korea, Germany, and Peru and they have more than 3 or 4 parties represented in reasonable numbers in their legislature, while ours consistents of a giant block of Democrats, Republicans and a speck of Independents.

I cannot in good faith vote for Obama and I also cannot vote for Romney or any of the other Republican candidates, I have no interest in supporting something I don't agree with, bottom line.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
It's still not productive to vote for the lesser of two evils.
I disagree 100%. It is always productive to vote for the lesser of two evils. When you have a choice between preventing things from getting worse and doing nothing, I don't see why you would just do nothing. Yes, other countries electoral systems are probably superior to ours, but boycotting the election or voting for a 3rd party on principle is not helping our country.
 

Purple Haze

Apprentice
But Purple Haze , MKF is correct in that I bumped the thread, not him. However, this was only because he so hilariously stated he "owned" me here in another thread.
Sure on one occasion you did but he's done it plenty on his own as well and will no doubt again. The only thing he owns is a warped sense of reality.

but you know how much influence age has on actual facts? Zero.
Very true.

Why is anyone even talking about Romney or Obama?

Surely there is a 3rd option, or do you all enjoy drinking pepsi and cola all the time?
There are plenty of 3rd options. Which one do you think would be so different to the main two?
 

Espio

Kokomo
I disagree 100%. It is always productive to vote for the lesser of two evils. When you have a choice between preventing things from getting worse and doing nothing, I don't see why you would just do nothing. Yes, other countries electoral systems are probably superior to ours, but boycotting the election or voting for a 3rd party on principle is not helping our country.
Perhaps I could have worded that better, it's less bad to vote for the lesser of two evils, but not really productive given that we're still getting screwed either way.

I'm not voting for Obama or Romney, but I fully expect Obama to win again anyway, getting rid of Incumbents is harder than winning a war, so I'm sure short of him having some major criminal act pop up or other serious issue he will win anyway, I'm just not going to contribute to it.

I will back the candidate I believe is right, not the one who has the best chance by virtue of simply being a member of the Republican or Democratic party, that's not a good enough reason to vote for anyone.

The only way things are going to change is if we STOP supporting this system. This is my protest vote. I want this status quo gone.
 

Purple Haze

Apprentice
but I fully expect Obama to win again anyway
I disagree with you here. I think the Republicans will win. I think the main reason Obama got into power in the first place was as a protest vote against the Bush regime who most of the country, even many conservatives were sick of. Plus those blacks who voted for him just because they had the misguided notion that 'one of their own' would somehow make life better for them won't bother voting for him this time probably.
 

Flagg

Champion
Because we aren't given much of a choice. No matter how good it feels, a vote for someone else is a wasted vote. By the way, pepsi is a cola. You're thinking of coke. lol. But if we're deciding the national soda, and most of the country is drinking pepsi or coke, no one's going to give two shits if you're off in the corner sipping on some fanta. It doesn't matter if you like it better, it's meaningless and you're better off helping to make the right choice out of the ones who actually stand a chance.
That's what I mean though. The cans might look the same, but a can of coke and a can of pepsi are essentially the same thing, just like a Dem candidate and a Republican candidate.

I to am also sick of seemingly, one of two options in the UK. I'm going to vote UKIP, which are a small libertarian politically party in the UK. I know people are becoming very, very jaded with the Conservative and Labour parties in this country which are the two juggernauts.

I guess Ron Paul would be the closest to something like UKIP in the States, but I suspect like UKIP, people wont take much notice until they have utterly had enough of Democrat and Republican bullshit. I mean it's all bs, they all went to the same Universities and go to the same clubs.
 

Espio

Kokomo
I disagree with you here. I think the Republicans will win. I think the main reason Obama got into power in the first place was as a protest vote against the Bush regime who most of the country, even many conservatives were sick of. Plus those blacks who voted for him just because they had the misguided notion that 'one of their own' would somehow make life better for them won't bother voting for him this time probably.
Well maybe they will, but as I said, getting rid of incumbents is damn near impossible, it's why Bush stayed around as well. How many one term presidents have we had? I can't think of many other than like Jimmy Carter..I think?


Black people don't make up a large enough percent of the population to get someone elected and as a Black person, I did not vote for him for those reasons, I voted for him because he seemed to be a very tolerant, progressive minded leader, who made promises of ending the wars we are in, changing up our relationship with Israel, and a plethora of other things. Some people might have stupidly voted for him for those reasons, but I imagine most didn't.

The democrats were going to get back in anyway, that was why the legislature became heavily dominated by Democrats as well by virute of being annoyed with the Bush years.
 

Flagg

Champion
Sure on one occasion you did but he's done it plenty on his own as well and will no doubt again. The only thing he owns is a warped sense of reality.



Very true.



There are plenty of 3rd options. Which one do you think would be so different to the main two?
My knowledge on american fringe parties is quite bare, but surely one of them has to be a better alternative to Obama or Romney. Whoever wins out of those two, your country will be demanding they get out in 4 years time. Why wait till then, when you can effect real change now and get both of those 20th century dinosaurs out.
 

Purple Haze

Apprentice
My knowledge on american fringe parties is quite bare, but surely one of them has to be a better alternative to Obama or Romney. Whoever wins out of those two, your country will be demanding they get out in 4 years time. Why wait till then, when you can effect real change now and get both of those 20th century dinosaurs out.
American history is full of politicians or community leaders who tried to be different and who spoke out about the system.

They usually ended up being assassinated.
 

Purple Haze

Apprentice
Well maybe they will, but as I said, getting rid of incumbents is damn near impossible, it's why Bush stayed around as well. How many one term presidents have we had? I can't think of many other than like Jimmy Carter..I think?

Black people don't make up a large enough percent of the population to get someone elected and as a Black person, I did not vote for him for those reasons, I voted for him because he seemed to be a very tolerant, progressive minded leader, who made promises of ending the wars we are in, changing up our relationship with Israel, and a plethora of other things. Some people might have stupidly voted for him for those reasons, but I imagine most didn't.

The democrats were going to get back in anyway, that was why the legislature became heavily dominated by Democrats as well.
It's all about matchups. Obama was 8-2 against Bush because of things like the unpopular Iraq war and the fact Bush was dumb and embarrassing for the country.

Mitt Romney is a 4-6 vs Obama at worst. He only has a stupid name and hasn't sent anyone to war. Plus most of the South are closet racists and don't really want a black man in power. ;)
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
Perhaps I could have worded that better, it's less bad to vote for the lesser of two evils, but not really productive given that we're still getting screwed either way.
That's what I mean though. The cans might look the same, but a can of coke and a can of pepsi are essentially the same thing, just like a Dem candidate and a Republican candidate.
I've heard this talking point a lot and completely disagree with it. There WILL be a difference depending who we put in office. If we voted in McCain in 2008 instead of Obama, I really think we could have been preparing for a war with Iran right now. You might get screwed either way, but one will be worse than the other. It's like, if you have the choice between killing 50 people and 60 people, would you just say "it doesn't matter"? No. There's a clear difference there.

I disagree with you here. I think the Republicans will win. I think the main reason Obama got into power in the first place was as a protest vote against the Bush regime who most of the country, even many conservatives were sick of. Plus those blacks who voted for him just because they had the misguided notion that 'one of their own' would somehow make life better for them won't bother voting for him this time probably.
I don't think the protest is large enough to take a Democrat out of office. With Bush, it was more like "this fucking sucks, we need to get rid of this right wing shit". Right now, it's more like a general "this one is better tan the other". I really think any republican would be considered an underdog for national office right now. When Romney gets more focus and when he actually debates Obama in the coming months, I fully expect positive opinions to change. We already know who Obama is, but so far Romney's only had a sliver of the spotlight.