Kano's 70% 50/50 1bar

[A F0xy Grampa]

LOLBUTTHEOTHERPLAYERCANDU A WAYKE UP LOLOL

Bait it people

The only problem with this setup that you mentioned is the act of 'conditioning' and making the opponent 'respect' your moves. I dont respect shit, and conditioning is for hair.

 

[ZtrideRz]

Hey guys I don't play kano but ill remember to wake up spin now if I think they will use this tech thumbs up any information tech against certain chars is useful to all good work thanks for posting

 

[Flagg]

Okay, up ball is another good option with OKI.

I'll update my original post, but with Ermac, up ball goes over all of Ermacs options and leads to you full combo punish. Only his teleport on wake up beats Up Ball.

Jax: If you sweep a dash punch will go straight through you. Infact you can stuff a lot of his stuff except for Jax ex overhead. So what do you do? You Up Ball. Up Ball avoids ex dash punch. It also goes OVER Jax Ex Overhead leading to full combo punish. Up Ball is also safe against regular grab and a AA grab by Jax on wake up. Ball is VERY POWERFUL against Jax here.

Scorpion even stuffs ball. Seriously, this character is anti Oki at this point.

Shang: Kanos options after jk/grabbing Shang are really strong here. Of course Shang has Soul Steal which beats Kanos sweep, F3 and B2. However, good ol' Up Ball again. You will either land behind Shang or sometimes you get pulled in front (weird). Full combo punish. You can even delay the up ball if you suspect the Shang wont wake up straight away and your up ball will negate any and all of Shangs wake up options.

 

[MagicMan357]

Okay, up ball is another good option with OKI.

I'll update my original post, but with Ermac, up ball goes over all of Ermacs options and leads to you full combo punish. Only his teleport on wake up beats Up Ball.

Jax: If you sweep a dash punch will go straight through you. Infact you can stuff a lot of his stuff except for Jax ex overhead. So what do you do? You Up Ball. Up Ball avoids ex dash punch. It also goes OVER Jax Ex Overhead leading to full combo punish. Up Ball is also safe against regular grab and a AA grab by Jax on wake up. Ball is VERY POWERFUL against Jax here.

Scorpion even stuffs ball. Seriously, this character is anti Oki at this point.

Shang: Kanos options after jk/grabbing Shang are really strong here. Of course Shang has Soul Steal which beats Kanos sweep, F3 and B2. However, good ol' Up Ball again. You will either land behind Shang or sometimes you get pulled in front (weird). Full combo punish. You can even delay the up ball if you suspect the Shang wont wake up straight away and your up ball will negate any and all of Shangs wake up options.

the only thing is timing the upball right, its risky

how exactly do you time these?

 

[MagicMan357]

Hey guys I don't play kano but ill remember to wake up spin now if I think they will use this tech thumbs up any information tech against certain chars is useful to all good work thanks for posting

Time for that ass to get blown up

 

[Flagg]

the only thing is timing the upball right, its risky

Yeah, Up Ball is hella risky but I think it will "surprise" a lot of people not expecting you to do that. Of course they could do nothing and block and punish. It's an option only really used as part of a guessing game as you could never "up ball" on reaction.

I mean cmon, Jax players are so wake up happy when they get knocked down that this will work quite well on them.

 

[Flagg]

And just for Foxy, if you suspect a Cage player will use a wake up as he gets up, if you up ball, you will go over nut punch and ex nut punch and land behind him, punish as you desire. If he red kicks, you go over, he goes to the other side of the screen where you can then throw knives all day. Only his red somersault will stuff up ball.

Yeah you dont have to wake up, you can bait or whatever, but these are nice to use on the mere mortals that dont have savant like skills ala Foxy or Curbo.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Fucking hell, who let the weeaboo's into this thread.

Weeaboo: White person who's obsessed with Japanese culture (notably anime). Also known as Wapanese. Using the term incorrectly yo!

 

[PPJ]

SEKTOR IS FUCKING FREE

 

[BEENEEWEENEES]

i promise you, you are not the first one to realize untechable set-up -> kano mid/low mixup, and if this is the first time you other kano players are hearing about this slightly legitimate tech because you couldn't 2+2=4 on your own, may god have mercy on your MK souls. the #1 thing you need to do once you get the air throw is try this ONCE, and then never again during the game and bait the wake-ups. THEN kano's oki game can begin.
even then, it's very easy to hold down + block until you watch the low whiff (in which the opponent will get up and fuck your life apart while you're dancing away doing your string) or until you recognize the overhead animation and stand and block it and eat the devastating 5% chip on top of them getting advantage for blocking a -1 choke or whatever you might do. this set-up may look legitimate on paper but a delayed stand will still grant the opponent an invincible wake-up attack, so the data y'all are collecting on what wake-up attacks are stuffed will only really work against people mashing buttons like it's their first time on Marvel 3.

then again, kano is a character that has to take risky chances all the time to net his damage, so maybe this is godlike, who knows. i do know this shit won't work against Atlanta players because i've been doing this to them for nearly a year.

 

[MagicMan357]

BEENEEWEENEES im sure most kano players knew this tech, all we were really doing is seeing what scraps of his former self he has left at all. We were just exploring some of his half assednessed.

Ive already stated hes not really a rushdown character.

 

[PND_Mustard]

50-50 is a situation where opponent must choose correctly upon blocking low or high to save his life. Here wakeup attacks provide that luxury of getting away unharmed. Those wake-up attacks are stuffed like that only in training mode.
This IS NOT a true 50-50.
This is garbage. Only rookies use it.

yeah because the Kano players are overwhelming us with actual useful tech as of late, right?

if you can show something better, show it, if not, stop scoffing at people actually trying to help this character.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

even then, it's very easy to hold down + block until you watch the low whiff (in which the opponent will get up and fuck your life apart while you're dancing away doing your string)

Thats where tick throws come in, theres an answer for everything

 

[BEENEEWEENEES]

Thats where tick throws come in, theres an answer for everything

it'd be nice, except it's painfully obvious when you don't follow through with the string with f3 and b2. a straight up f3 is -15 on block and a straight up b2 is -16, it's not like you're going in with neutral b1 pressure or something. :\

BEENEEWEENEES im sure most kano players knew this tech, all we were really doing is seeing what scraps of his former self he has left at all. We were just exploring some of his half assednessed.

Ive already stated hes not really a rushdown character.

you're right, and as much as i shat on this, it's really some of the best stuff he has. the focus of this tech shouldn't be on the 50/50 portion, it should be on the untechable knockdown -> baiting wake-ups portion. one of kano's BEST tools that i've never really seen other kanos try to employ often is the exairball for the reason that it causes untechable knockdown, giving him fantastic oki situations.

 

[MagicMan357]

it'd be nice, except it's painfully obvious when you don't follow through with the string with f3 and b2. a straight up f3 is -15 on block and a straight up b2 is -16, it's not like you're going in with neutral b1 pressure or something. :\



you're right, and as much as i shat on this, it's really some of the best stuff he has. the focus of this tech shouldn't be on the 50/50 portion, it should be on the untechable knockdown -> baiting wake-ups portion. one of kano's BEST tools that i've never really seen other kanos try to employ often is the exairball for the reason that it causes untechable knockdown, giving him fantastic oki situations.

Personally i dont even think that move is worth it:
Shitty input and you can just do the air throw. Plus it doesnt do significant damage.
It just seems the wakeup patch really fucked him up.

 

[OmyMk]

yeah because the Kano players are overwhelming us with actual useful tech as of late, right?

if you can show something better, show it, if not, stop scoffing at people actually trying to help this character.

Helping the char with videos of B2 stuffing wakeups? Lol. Not going to happen. Or u'r just spies trying to sabotate Kano community?

 

[BEENEEWEENEES]

Personally i dont even think that move is worth it:
Shitty input and you can just do the air throw. Plus it doesnt do significant damage.
It just seems the wakeup patch really fucked him up.

it's not about the damage it does, but the damage it should lead to. it's THE best 'getting in' tool he has, especially against characters like Noob and Freddy who are bad match-ups for him, and set him up to play oki/mindgames/wake-up baiting/whatever.... as far as the input goes, you know what you got yourself into when you picked him up and looked at his movelist you better learn to ball consistently!

 

[-Deadman-]

it's not about the damage it does, but the damage it should lead to. it's THE best 'getting in' tool he has, especially against characters like Noob and Freddy who are bad match-ups for him, and set him up to play oki/mindgames/wake-up baiting/whatever.... as far as the input goes, you know what you got yourself into when you picked him up and looked at his movelist you better learn to ball consistently!

I think I'm just too much of a meter whore to use the ex-airball as liberally as you do. If I don't have breaker I feel naked. I can see where you're coming from with setting up oki, but I've seen some Battle N Brews where you get ex-airball-happy to the point I'm confused. Myself and locals call it "WeeneeBallin' "

I'll try to shake the cobwebs and incorporate it into my game more.

 

[BEENEEWEENEES]

I can see where you're coming from with setting up oki, but I've seen some Battle N Brews where you get ex-airball-happy to the point I'm confused. Myself and locals call it "WeeneeBallin'"

lol! i get silly at BnB, but a lot of it has to do with pussying out after doing the ball. against some characters, i'll exball, commit to my oki, and net more damage because of it; against others, i'll ball and then back off because i've psyched myself out into thinking i'll wind up eating a spirit charge or some shit. just a personal thing i've been trying to get over

 

[MagicMan357]

it's not about the damage it does, but the damage it should lead to. it's THE best 'getting in' tool he has, especially against characters like Noob and Freddy who are bad match-ups for him, and set him up to play oki/mindgames/wake-up baiting/whatever.... as far as the input goes, you know what you got yourself into when you picked him up and looked at his movelist you better learn to ball consistently!

Man fuck the shitty input lol

but really whats the point? I know youre talking about punishing a projectile but wasting meter for some half assed oki? i need breaker, Xray (atleast for scare), and maybe an EX knife for pressure or a combo.

 

[BEENEEWEENEES]

but really whats the point? I know youre talking about punishing a projectile but wasting meter for some half assed oki? i need breaker, Xray (atleast for scare), and maybe an EX knife for pressure or a combo.

it's just about the only oki set-up he has as a punisher. we don't get special shit like ex-dash punch or military stance cancels for free to set up kano's pressure game. this is just where our styles as kano players may differ. the damage he nets off of exknife combos is so minimal compared to normal BnBs that i'd rather save for x-ray or air balls against characters who can outzone kano. i'm not saying you should be spending meter on ex-airball against anyone, just in circumstances where it will give you the edge against a character who may have unsafe wake-up options that kano also has trouble getting in on, like (as stated) noob or freddy. i'd go as far as to say it's a viable tool against characters like kenshi and ermac, too.

 

[NKZero]

Ow boy u really have no ideea what u'r talking about, is it? Dummies suk. Get a lab rat and try stuffing those wakeups. BTW Sektor's EX TU wich u stuff so bravely in u'r video is invincible. If someone from Sektor community would see that, they would lol. >.> NKZero

i don't understand....who says Sektor's EX TU is invincible because it certainly isn't...

 

[PND OmegaK]

Kano community is almost as bad as the Sub Zero community, and this thread has made me want to hurt something small and fluffy. Someone posts some decent info for once and everyone just tears him a new anus. This does actually work believe it or not with the right conditioning.

 

[Keep it moist]

it'd be nice, except it's painfully obvious when you don't follow through with the string with f3 and b2. a straight up f3 is -15 on block and a straight up b2 is -16, it's not like you're going in with neutral b1 pressure or something. :\

if you looked at the words under the video i posted you will see i posted what ones you should acctually do to ensure saftey if the dont wakeup but block accordingly

 

[MaceWind]

These are numerous posts to come to the realization that this is not a viable setup but merely a parlor trick. Take BEENEEWEENEES advice and maybe do this once.