MK9: Unofficial Tier List Speculation, and/or Character Shenanigans Discussion!

[Sequel]

I hope Ermac doesn't get nerfed too much...(if he does)

Cyrax, Kung Lao etc I'm fine with their nerfs they will be getting.

If smoke loses his OTG smoke bomb combo that will definitely make him less annoying but I don't have a huge issue with Smoke.

I also don't see how blocking is broken, it's far better then MKDC's blocking was.

So judging by your avatar and signature, you're a Ermac player. You don't want any nerfs to YOUR character, yet you're quick to agree with everyone when it comes to nerfing characters other than your own favorite. (Sounds like everyone else in this thread.)

Sorry to call you out but this is some biased bullshit.

 

[RagingNight]

Welcome to online gaming. Where any idiot can insert his/her opinion based off "what they see" and not what they experience.

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And then asking themselves "why is XYZ happening", but instead go "SHIT TOO OP! NEEDS A NERF!"

 

[lobo]

real talk:

i will whoop any one of your asses in soul calibur 4.

 

[DrDogg]

real talk:

i will whoop any one of your asses in soul calibur 4.

Yoshi says otherwise... well, if I still played the game. lol

Last time I checked Nightwolf Shoulder Charge make opponent whiling to crouch to try to punish him, which open them up for is Lighting Bolts and Combo Strings with multiple overheads, in Kano's case there is little incentive or treat to crouch outside of a low kick or a sweep, you can Block High Kano stuff all day every day.

Don't get me wrong, if they fix Nightwolf that would be good and boost his mixups, but he still have other tools to make them crouch unlike Kano.

I just mean that Kano's fix would be more of a buff than a fix. If it were a fix, you'd think NRS would adjust Nightwolf's as well.

That said, the slow crouching animation (especially if you try to cancel a dash into a crouch) makes it very difficult to bait a shoulder charge and punish it crouching. However, I do not feel that Nightwolf's overhead strings are any reason to make you block high. They come out slow enough that they're easy to react to.

I had to play a Nightwolf in the grand finals of a tournament last weekend. He rarely hit me with the overhead strings and I was constantly crouching in anitipation of a shoulder charge.

Can I get a show of hands from players here that have played offline against competent opponents? Particularly against Kung Lao, Raiden, Sub-Zero, Reptile, Nightwolf, Johnny Cage, and Cyrax players?

*raises hand*

Can I then get a show of hands from players who have played offline at tournaments (doesn't have to be a major)?

*raises hand*

Can someone please tell me when this game was released and how many days it has been out since release?

We're currently in the 5th revision, most commonly referred to as Ultimate Mortal Komabt: The Kung Lao Patch Edition... or simply MK9. The game has been out for 3 years, so I think it's time to hand out the nerf stick. Just make sure Jax gets a 6 frame ground pound... well you know the rest.

 

[RagingNight]

real talk:

i will whoop any one of your asses in soul calibur 4.

don't worry I'll pick Hilde and win based on the tier list right? Its the tier list that makes the character right?

 

[DrDogg]

don't worry I'll pick Hilde and win based on the tier list right? Its the tier list that makes the character right?

Hilde is probably not the best example for the sarcasm you're attempting to use there. Even a scrub Hilde that knows the doom combo can give a top player a hard time. They may not win, but it's certainly not an easy match no matter who's playing as Hilde.

 

[dookieagain]

Can I get a show of hands from players here that have played offline against competent opponents? Particularly against Kung Lao, Raiden, Sub-Zero, Reptile, Nightwolf, Johnny Cage, and Cyrax players?

*raises hand*

Can I then get a show of hands from players who have played offline at tournaments (doesn't have to be a major)?

*raises hand*

Can someone please tell me when this game was released and how many days it has been out since release?

I've played against Pittsburgh players at offline meetups at least twice a week since the game has been out. Mainly against Kung and Ermac although a Jax and Kitana too. I'm hoping to go to one tonight after classes.

*Raises hand*

I drove five hours to go to PowerUp mostly to get casuals and experience against good players and see what my matchups were like. I played long sets against NickTheZombie, 801Vegeta, and Michaelangelo as well as matches against a lot of others. I also practiced Sub-Zero in demo before release to try and win my local Gamestop release tourney.

*Raises hand*

I realize I'm not playing a top tier character, (Although I wasn't aware of his weaknesses intimately till after PowerUp) but don't peg me for someone who isn't trying. Or an inexperienced stream monster.

Second all of my arguments were based on testing both against other players and in the woefully inadequate training room. I know exactly what punishes I have against Kung Lao and I can and do land them. So don't say I didn't spend any time looking into how to deal with things. I'm not new to the scene.

 

[DaiHuu]

Yoshi says otherwise... well, if I still played the game. lol



I just mean that Kano's fix would be more of a buff than a fix. If it were a fix, you'd think NRS would adjust Nightwolf's as well.

That said, the slow crouching animation (especially if you try to cancel a dash into a crouch) makes it very difficult to bait a shoulder charge and punish it crouching. However, I do not feel that Nightwolf's overhead strings are any reason to make you block high. They come out slow enough that they're easy to react to.

I had to play a Nightwolf in the grand finals of a tournament last weekend. He rarely hit me with the overhead strings and I was constantly crouching in anitipation of a shoulder charge.

I don't think they should change the F+3, it's too good of a mix up as it is.
Currently the way I play NW here are his options after the F+3:
Another F+3
B+4
Universal low
grab
continue the string
wait, x-ray (In a counter fashion)
command grab (It's safe or neutral on block) into a universal low to continue pressure
Jump over and attack
a different string

It'd be way too good if the initial F+3 was a low, just my opinion.

 

[lobo]

don't worry I'll pick Hilde and win based on the tier list right? Its the tier list that makes the character right?

rofl hilde is the equivalent of kung lao getting 3 hits of armor during the spin and it leading into an easy 100% combo midscreen that simply auto-fatalities if it hits near the corner.

 

[Action Kungfu]

Can I get a show of hands from players here that have played offline against competent opponents? Particularly against Kung Lao, Raiden, Sub-Zero, Reptile, Nightwolf, Johnny Cage, and Cyrax players?

*raises hand*

Can I then get a show of hands from players who have played offline at tournaments (doesn't have to be a major)?

*raises hand*

Can someone please tell me when this game was released and how many days it has been out since release?

*Raises hand to both.*

 

[Vulcan Hades]

Can I get a show of hands from players here that have played offline against competent opponents? Particularly against Kung Lao, Raiden, Sub-Zero, Reptile, Nightwolf, Johnny Cage, and Cyrax players?

*raises hand*

Can I then get a show of hands from players who have played offline at tournaments (doesn't have to be a major)?

*raises hand*

Can someone please tell me when this game was released and how many days it has been out since release?

You sir, are what is wrong with the MK community. And I mean it.

You're actually bragging about participating in offline tournaments and playing against better players than yourself lol. Pathetic. You're talking like that makes you any brighter than anybody else. When it actually just makes you look silly.


I've pulled a babality on Hanzo's Kabal and MissSpin's Kung in UMK3. That alone gives me more credibility than you will ever have with this kind of post.

 

[MKF30]

So judging by your avatar and signature, you're a Ermac player. You don't want any nerfs to YOUR character, yet you're quick to agree with everyone when it comes to nerfing characters other than your own favorite. (Sounds like everyone else in this thread.)

Sorry to call you out but this is some biased bullshit.

If you read my post I said I hope Ermac doesn't get nerfed TOO much....but let's be honest, Ermac isn't a problem is he? Exactly....

And anyone will tell you online Ermac is a pain to use because of lag and delay(unlike Kung Lao) who is good on or offline...yes? Yes.

I'm all for ANYONE who needs nerfing including Ermac if there's something that needs work, but again. If you were to toss up Kung Lao vs. Ermac, I'll bet you anything most people would say Kung Lao is more important atm then Ermac is. You don't exactly see Ermac's dominating the scene left and right...with debatable move properties now do you?

I'm not biased, I just said I hope Ermac doesn't get NERFED TOO much...he's not even top 5....top 10 I'm sure but not Top 5 like the character in your sig If I was biased then I would have said, "Ermac should be untouchable because I use him, he needs no nerfs what so ever" then I can see you having a problem with my statement but I did not say that.

At any rate, I'm sure everyone will be near to perfectly balanced at some point in due time so I'm not worried.

 

[Dandy J]

real talk:

i will whoop any one of your asses in soul calibur 4.

im the best at cyberbots

 

[lobo]

Can I get a show of hands from players here that have played offline against competent opponents? Particularly against Kung Lao, Raiden, Sub-Zero, Reptile, Nightwolf, Johnny Cage, and Cyrax players?

*raises hand*

Can I then get a show of hands from players who have played offline at tournaments (doesn't have to be a major)?

*raises hand*

Can someone please tell me when this game was released and how many days it has been out since release?

perhaps we should up the ante to "anyone who has flown across the country of sat in a car with sweaty gamers for 15 hours just to get their ass kicked and learn a few things"

*raises hand*

i'm loving all these dicks that are waving all over.

 

[RagingNight]

Not going to lie, most of the people on stream that are not top 8 are pretty bad in almost every event (excluding powerup) for MK9. I see kitana players doing 20-30% combo on OPTIMAL setups and its like "what?"

if only I could go to reveLAtions and WNF, but o well sometimes shits is out of your hands

 

[lobo]

Not going to lie, most of the people on stream that are not top 8 are pretty bad in almost every event (excluding powerup) for MK9. I see kitana players doing 20-30% combo on OPTIMAL setups and its like "what?"

if only I could go to reveLAtions and WNF, but o well sometimes shits is out of your hands

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. we are not to discuss kitana in any way until after evo.

 

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Sheeva gets her stance and character specific combos fixed, but they make her command grab escapable and don't give her a decent way to get out of oki pressure. Calling it now.

 

[dookieagain]

perhaps we should up the ante to "anyone who has flown across the country of sat in a car with sweaty gamers for 15 hours just to get their ass kicked and learn a few things"

*raises hand*

i'm loving all these dicks that are waving all over.

So you join in? And what have you added to this conversation aside from saying that the game is fine because your character does 50% damage and can punish spin for that much? Seriously everything else is just "I like x known player's comment because it's as dismissive of everyone as mine."


If this is a dick waving contest you've put a big flag on yours that says overcompensating.

 

[THTB]

I think WindJammers tier list discussion should be going on instead.

 

[REO]

If you read my post I said I hope Ermac doesn't get nerfed TOO much....but let's be honest, Ermac isn't a problem is he? Exactly....

And anyone will tell you online Ermac is a pain to use because of lag and delay(unlike Kung Lao) who is good on or offline...yes? Yes.

I'm all for ANYONE who needs nerfing including Ermac if there's something that needs work, but again. If you were to toss up Kung Lao vs. Ermac, I'll bet you anything most people would say Kung Lao is more important atm then Ermac is. You don't exactly see Ermac's dominating the scene left and right...with debatable move properties now do you?

I'm not biased, I just said I hope Ermac doesn't get NERFED TOO much...he's not even top 5....top 10 I'm sure but not Top 5 like the character in your sig If I was biased then I would have said, "Ermac should be untouchable because I use him, he needs no nerfs what so ever" then I can see you having a problem with my statement but I did not say that.

At any rate, I'm sure everyone will be near to perfectly balanced at some point in due time so I'm not worried.

lol, what is this? Ermac has to be one of the most easiest chars to play in the game. And I can't believe you just brought up MK9's online in your argument, wow.

 

[DanCock]

dookieagain didn't know you were at powerup. I would have loved to have played your Stryker to get some tips. he's my 3rd fav to use.

and seq- raises hand. I was at power up. and yes I may be a bit upset at the fact that the 2 Kung players (Justin won and PL) were the ones that owned me and knocked me put of the tourney, they just made me aware of how silly of a character he was. these 2 minor tweaks he's getting. he's still going to be awesome.


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I think WindJammers tier list discussion should be going on instead.

While WindJammers is the business, I'm more interested in a Soccer Brawl tier list discussion.

Brazil was fucking cheese in that game.

 

[oZii]

Straight up there are some kids in this thread.

Nobody in this entire thread can tell me that what was discussed in this thread determined NRS to decide to change Kung Lao NOBODY. I dont care if you have online or offline experience or your Ed Boon's brother.

***BY a show of hands how many in here knows Tom Brady personally***

(Keeps hands down)

The people shouting all this competitive stuff hit Tom on the twitter and tell them they are making a mistake. I dont have that kind of access. All I have is this thread period.

NRS is not making these changes cause of this thread. If you want to make it seem like its people in this threads fault or direct your anger at people in this thread then you are a misguided and dillusional person. Some are just trolling for the sake of trolling

I am sorry NRS is changing the game but none of that had to do with anyone in this entire thread.

Honestly and realistically and what is more likely what happend is that they watched some of the tourney streams.

I know for a fact they watched Power Up as do most people here. They might have watched others who knows. That data was more than a consideration than this thread.

**inb4 troll comment from you know who**

 

[Krayzie]

lol, what is this? Ermac has to be one of the most easiest chars to play in the game. And I can't believe you just brought up MK9's online in your argument, wow.

lol

 

[Lucky Day]

The game is fine...

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*ding ding ding*

Thread winners.