Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?

[Trickywizard]

Meh I don’t like it from a purely lore perspective. Like I saw what they were doing and said No I don’t think I’ll buy that.

Again lore I think is heavily underrated I believe. Even within the NRS trilogy they’d spent 11 years building up pretty much the same characters we all knew in the original games. Some people genuinely wanted new stories for those characters. Only for them to turn around and reboot again.

Like for instance I prefer to go off vibes like Vulgar is calling it. I had a friend who wanted to buy diablo 4 and a few of us play. So we made the decision to get it and a few of us played. $70 keep in mind. I genuinely did not enjoy that game. Especially at launch and had I went with my gut of thinking I’d dislike it I would have saved that money.

Same with MK1. I am not even playing with my favorite characters or the ones I’m attached to. So if I’m a casual invested in story and you have flipped everyone on their heads in ways I genuinely think are worse then what incentive do I have to buy?

Then I see invasions and it looks like a board game. Yet another incentive not to buy. Then the word of horrible monetization at launch. Then kameos which, sorry to some of you, I still genuinely think look ugly. I just don’t like it. I don’t need to play it to see that. Sure I can spend that money, but if I’m displeased with the overall direction MK is taking I’d rather speak with my wallet.

Buying something you’re meh about is genuinely bad for your interest. You’re lettimg them know nothing is wrong with the game.

TLDR

Casual fans don’t go on dead forums.
don’t like it don’t play it.

 

[Subby Z]

TLDR

Casual fans don’t go on dead forums.
don’t like it don’t play it.

Well I’m casual in meaning I don’t play competitively nor am I going to spend the hours to do that in adult life.

Huge MK fan, but just can’t devote that time to it anymore. I’ve been on these forums for years though. It’s a better option than reddit where lots of posts are what guest characters they can fit into Mk.

Also it wasn’t even that long of a read haha. Are attention spans that small now?

 

[Trickywizard]

Well I’m casual in meaning I don’t play competitively nor am I going to spend the hours to do that in adult life.

Huge MK fan, but just can’t devote that time to it anymore. I’ve been on these forums for years though. It’s a better option than reddit where lots of posts are what guest characters they can fit into Mk.

Also it wasn’t even that long of a read haha. Are attention spans that small now?

more like I didn’t even bother, way too many words just to say you hate the game.

you don’t want to spend hours playing a game yet you spend way more on this forum shitting on a game every chance you get.

 

[Subby Z]

more like I didn’t even bother, way too many words just to say you hate the game.

you don’t want to spend hours playing a game yet you spend way more on this forum shitting on a game every chance you get.

I mean yeah because I’ll be waiting on the next game. Which if they don’t fix everything that went wrong with this one I may be out for good. I’ll be pushing 40 at that point. No need to shout at the moon for something that’s not gonna change.

I’m willing to give NRS another chance though. I didn’t hate MkX and even though others did I personally did not hate MK11. This is the first game where I was like, “yeah I’m out.”

No need to get hateful though. Yeah I don’t like this game. Different people like different things.

 

[Trickywizard]

I mean yeah because I’ll be waiting on the next game. Which if they don’t fix everything that went wrong with this one I may be out for good. I’ll be pushing 40 at that point. No need to shout at the moon for something that’s not gonna change.

I’m willing to give NRS another chance though. I didn’t hate MkX and even though others did I personally did not hate MK11. This is the first game where I was like, “yeah I’m out.”

No need to get hateful though. Yeah I don’t like this game. Different people like different things.

I rather play MK1 while waiting for a new game.

 

[Vulgar]

I mean yeah because I’ll be waiting on the next game. Which if they don’t fix everything that went wrong with this one I may be out for good. I’ll be pushing 40 at that point. No need to shout at the moon for something that’s not gonna change.

I’m willing to give NRS another chance though. I didn’t hate MkX and even though others did I personally did not hate MK11. This is the first game where I was like, “yeah I’m out.”

No need to get hateful though. Yeah I don’t like this game. Different people like different things.

How can you say that things "went wrong" when you haven't even played it?

I'm not even talking about being sweaty.

Like if you played ladder once and hated it, I'd take your opinion more seriously.

Otherwise? You're just saying you don't like broccoli because of the way it looks. You've never tasted it.

 

[Subby Z]

How can you say that things "went wrong" when you haven't even played it?

I'm not even talking about being sweaty.

Like if you played ladder once and hated it, I'd take your opinion more seriously.

Otherwise? You're just saying you don't like broccoli because of the way it looks. You've never tasted it.

Idk how people can’t separate gameplay from everything else though. Like as a novice player gameplay isn’t even the most important thing to me. In MK it’s everything else. I started with the original games but was a teen with the 3D era. Lore means a lot to me. Not necessarily gameplay. I can learn to have fun with it.

But keep in mind I have played every game until this one. In most games Sub-Zero is Kuai Liang. Mk9 was both but I have always had the option to play as him when I play Sub-Zero.

This is the first game that’s not an option. Sure I can play as Bi-han and have Kuai’s skin that looks exactly like Bi-han complete with his angry face but I don’t want to do that. Why on earth they got rid of premier skins I will never know. They had them in Inhustice 2 and MK11 but just randomly dropped them in this game. No clue why.

I’m sure it’s the same for Scorpion fans who are now suddenly forced to play with this guy who aesthetically is just not truly Scorpion.

Same for Raiden fans as well.

It’s amazing to me that they butchered their 3 flagship characters so hard in this game, but they did in my eyes.

You may not care Vulgar, but those simply are not my characters, and no buffs, nerfs, or features can change what they did to them in this game.

 

[Jynks]

Idk how people can’t separate gameplay from everything else though.

Well, it is as gameplay is the only thing that is important, at least to me. A fighting game, more than most even, is all about its mechanisms. The design is the only thing that makes it good or not. No "great story" will make a lame fighter good, and no "lame story" will make a fighter bad. Fighter’s didn't even have stories for decades, beyond a 15 word paragraph at the win screen.

I subscribe to that old saying : "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important." - John Carmack.

Though I would add a modern amendment, in that some games main focus is narrative. No one is going to say the story in Uncharted didn't matter... but the story in MK means little to me. I like watching it and I like the characters.. but I never think of it, EVER. After playing the story mode, or during the "arcade endings"... which are basically non-cannon anyway and "anything" can happen.

I have been very vocal about how much the resetting the timeline every game sucks and all the reverent and bringing people back to life shit is lame over the years, if you bother to search my old posts through MKx, 11 and 1, but all that stuff is a symptom of trying to make a "proper" story. Story has narrative events. Things "CHANGE" in a story.. but no one who plays Kano, gives a shit if he is dead or alive or a prisoner, or lost at sea or w/e.. they just want to play them in the game. That is all they care about. They want to play him. So NRS bent and twisted and distorted the story into ever increasing levels of ridiculous bullshit so everyone's favourites could still be playable and have a role in the "story" of the next game.

IMO, resetting the timeline and just going.. "Ok we are drawing a line here, no more resets, we are building form this point onward" is the ONLY rational choice, and I get it .. people hate change.. but it had to happen. I expect MK2 to continue, no resets. Tarkaten is a disease. Cyrax is a African female. This is now the cannon. They should have always done this reset and just move on thing. It really is the only choice in making the story interesting again. Cut off all that badger.

Also, if anyone looked at my old posts I have been saying Story Mode should be dumped completely, and instead a expanded version of the Arcade story. So every character has their own story that is cannon ONLY to them, screw continuity completely. Connect them by theme and setting but make them all unique.

You may not care Vulgar, but those simply are not my characters, and no buffs, nerfs, or features can change what they did to them in this game.

I'm a massive comic collector, and I completely agree with what you are saying. Creators saying "I only changed it a little, you suck for not liking my changes" is bullshit. People are completely justified in wanting to see the same characters they feel in love with, again, and not some other version. Personally I think gender swapping, race swapping, making someone less evil or more evil, changing their sexuality or w/e they change, ANY CHANGE to the one people grew up with, thought about, learn to draw by doodling, made cosplay for and more... people LOVE these characters, and it is absolutely valid to be pissed if they are changed.

That being said... personally I do not give a fuck about all that. I actually collect books as well as comic. Do I care that the Lord of the Rings Trilogy or the new Dune movies are about as lore accurate as turning Fordo into Bleez and Paul into Atrocitus from the red Lantern Core? No. Changes or inaccurate translations do not make the source material suddenly go away. It matters not one jot to me.

Again, that being said, I get that it dose to others... and for those that do.. you need to make a decision.. Live with it or move on. As it is NOT changing again. This is the New Era. Bitching on a the internet will not change it and you have to ask yourself.... do you a want to be having this same conversation when MK3 is out? Because you WILL have to.

 

[Vulgar]

Idk how people can’t separate gameplay from everything else though. Like as a novice player gameplay isn’t even the most important thing to me. In MK it’s everything else. I started with the original games but was a teen with the 3D era. Lore means a lot to me. Not necessarily gameplay. I can learn to have fun with it.

But keep in mind I have played every game until this one. In most games Sub-Zero is Kuai Liang. Mk9 was both but I have always had the option to play as him when I play Sub-Zero.

This is the first game that’s not an option. Sure I can play as Bi-han and have Kuai’s skin that looks exactly like Bi-han complete with his angry face but I don’t want to do that. Why on earth they got rid of premier skins I will never know. They had them in Inhustice 2 and MK11 but just randomly dropped them in this game. No clue why.

I’m sure it’s the same for Scorpion fans who are now suddenly forced to play with this guy who aesthetically is just not truly Scorpion.

Same for Raiden fans as well.

It’s amazing to me that they butchered their 3 flagship characters so hard in this game, but they did in my eyes.

You may not care Vulgar, but those simply are not my characters, and no buffs, nerfs, or features can change what they did to them in this game.

They were never "your" characters.

Much like Mileena, Kano and Quan Chi were never "my" characters.

Yeah I think they're cool and awesome and they're my favorite, but I'm not going to deprive myself of having a good time with a fun game if they change.

Hell, Deception Mileena and MK9 Mileena were completely different characters. But you know what? MK9 Mileena is fun as hell to play. Hitting people with ball roll activates the serotonin in my brain.

Another example: I'm a pretty big Batman fan. Have a ton of trade paperbacks, hardcovers, comics, toys, shirts, etc. I've watched The Batman like fifteen times.

Now you look at Keaton Batman and you look at Reeves Batman and they're effectively different characters. And yet, I still had fun. I have my favorites, but chances are if he's punching out a murder clown and swooping from buildings, I'll probably like it.

The point is, having an extremely narrow version of what something is and what it should be and think that thing should never change is a good way to deprive yourself of experiencing good art/games/etc.

And again, this isn't to say you can't like a thing. There's a lot of stuff I don't like. But at least I tried it, first. I just didn't off-handedly dismiss a thing based on vibes.

If I had never tried different versions of Batman, there'd be Hella Batman shows and movies and games that were great that I'd never experience.

And that's really only my loss.


I just think you have an unhealthy attachment to fictional characters.

 

[Subby Z]

They were never "your" characters.

Much like Mileena, Kano and Quan Chi were never "my" characters.

Yeah I think they're cool and awesome and they're my favorite, but I'm not going to deprive myself of having a good time with a fun game if they change.

Hell, Deception Mileena and MK9 Mileena were completely different characters. But you know what? MK9 Mileena is fun as hell to play. Hitting people with ball roll activates the serotonin in my brain.

Another example: I'm a pretty big Batman fan. Have a ton of trade paperbacks, hardcovers, comics, toys, shirts, etc. I've watched The Batman like fifteen times.

Now you look at Keaton Batman and you look at Reeves Batman and they're effectively different characters. And yet, I still had fun. I have my favorites, but chances are if he's punching out a murder clown and swooping from buildings, I'll probably like it.

The point is, having an extremely narrow version of what something is and what it should be and think that thing should never change is a good way to deprive yourself of experiencing good art/games/etc.

And again, this isn't to say you can't like a thing. There's a lot of stuff I don't like. But at least I tried it, first. I just didn't off-handedly dismiss a thing based on vibes.

If I had never tried different versions of Batman, there'd be Hella Batman shows and movies and games that were great that I'd never experience.

And that's really only my loss.


I just think you have an unhealthy attachment to fictional characters.

Vulgar I'll just say I think your example doesn't work. You're saying Keaton and Reeves are basically different characters, and while you may see that I would argue they are both still bruce wayne. Just different takes on Bruce Wayne. (side note: Who with the last name Reeves played Batman?)

Now what you should be arguing about is Terry McGinnis vs Bruce Wayne. Both are cool and nobody can argue that, but Bruce Wayne is fucking Batman and we're always going to revert to that. Anyone with common sense knows that. So it's easy to enjoy both versions because you know that we're going to get something separate with Bruce Wayne so they can also tell the story of Terry McGinnis.

MK1 did not do that. They tried to take the character (Kuai Liang) who has been Sub-Zero since MK2 and suddenly say THIS IS SCORPION FOR NOW AND FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS (possibly). So fans have a right to be pissed about that because yeah no we don't want that. Same with Raiden being a fucking dude with an amulet now. Like what? A lot of this shit just does not work.

Oh and Kitana is basically useless now. At least that's what I got from her in the story. She's lost all importance. It was all given to Mileena.

Also there were things here and there I disliked in the NRS trilogy (9-11). Like I dislike that they took away the Sub-Zero mantle being a family name (which they then brought back in 11) and I disliked they cyberized Kuai Liang. However, that was still mainly characterized as Kuai Liang. He's still a cryomancer and him and Bi-han still share the bloodline. The story esssentially was told the same just with MINOR differences.

MIleena was also mostly still characterized the same in those games just with a different back story.

Mileena in MK1 is basically Kitana. She is. Idk what to tell you. So yeah we may just disagree on this point.

Again, that being said, I get that it dose to others... and for those that do.. you need to make a decision.. Live with it or move on. As it is NOT changing again. This is the New Era. Bitching on a the internet will not change it and you have to ask yourself.... do you a want to be having this same conversation when MK3 is out? Because you WILL have to.

Lol again delusions of grandeur.

So you're talking about the same studio who teased Dark Raiden in MKX only to throw all that shit out for Kronika in MK11.

The same studio who killed all of its heroes in 9 and while they were revenants brought them right back in the next game.

The same studio who tried to introduce the kombat kids as the new heroes, realized they didn't hit, then significantly reduced their presence in MK11.

The same studio who changed Sindel drastically in 11, then got backlash, and turned all that shit around in MK1.

If you think they won't abandon all of these characters in Liu Kang's ass timeline you are incredibly naive, and tbh that's what some of us are banking on. We want them to abandon this ass timeline. So yeah we're going to cry about it on forums. It got Sindel reverted. It got Mileena in MK11. So yes. We are going to yell at the studio, "HEY YOU GUYS REALLY FUCKED UP!"

Also you can keep saying this game is a massive success but that's also going to come across as delusional. It's mixed AT BEST. So if they see this game didn't hit quite how they were hoping for they will definitely change course. Some of you guys are riding high on that Rainbow of Floyd.

 

[Jynks]

Lol again delusions of grandeur.

u might want to look up what that phrase means.. there was no self-aggrandizing comments in my last post.

But yeah.. that was kinda my point. MK1 story is designed as a reset to STOP all that stuff. The rest and clean slate idea wipes all those revenants and retcons and all that aside. Everything is now from scratch and it will build up from here. Sure they may have learnt no lessons and it will become just as much as a mess as before.... but if it dose becomes a mess it will be a mess "from here".. from this point on. What you see in MK1 is going to be the cannon for the foreseeable future. Radian is a normal human, Lao is the god. Sektor and Cyrax and Shao is not Khan.. etc etc.

Kronica said "the new era" for a reason. This reset and restart planned in MK11.

 

[Subby Z]

u might want to look up what that phrase means.. there was no self-aggrandizing comments in my last post.

But yeah.. that was kinda my point. MK1 story is designed as a reset to STOP all that stuff. The rest and clean slate idea wipes all those revenants and retcons and all that aside. Everything is now from scratch and it will build up from here. Sure they may have learnt no lessons and it will become just as much as a mess as before.... but if it dose becomes a mess it will be a mess "from here".. from this point on. What you see in MK1 is going to be the cannon for the foreseeable future. Radian is a normal human, Lao is the god. Sektor and Cyrax and Shao is not Khan.. etc etc.

Kronica said "the new era" for a reason. This reset and restart planned in MK11.

But the fanbase doesn’t like it haha.

Like even on reddit that shit is divided. Youtube comments divided. Even fucking youtube creators hated this shit.

From a business perspective it makes zero sense to stay with this timeline especially if reports ate correct that Khaos reigns did horribly.

 

[M2Dave]

By your logic, people simply didn’t like playing the game, and it ran its natural course.

99% of all fighting games run their "natural course".

3rd Strike, MvC2, Melee, etc. are the exceptions to the rule, not the norm. Their rise to prominence and eventual legacy is accidental and arbitrary. Would 3rd Strike have become as famous as it is now if EVO moment 37 had never happened? Would MvC2 been played as much as it has if Capcom had released SF4 earlier than 2008? Would the Smash community have enjoyed Melee as much as they did (and continue to do) if the game had never had the unintended depth that it does? Probably not.

Besides, I never doubted that people liked playing Melee. The community had to overcome certain external challenges, but passion for the game has always existed. There is no ubiquitous passion in the NRS community, and there has not been since Mortal Kombat 9, whose own prominence and legacy is also accidental and arbitrary. After the perceived "casual" 3D Mortal Kombat games, people wanted Mortal Kombat to return to its 2D roots. Some hardcore players were thirsty for a "competitive" Mortal Kombat game. Subsequently, the "right" people with the "right" personalities (i.e., 16 Bit, CD Jr., Maxter, Perfect Legend, Tom Brady, etc.) played and supported the game that led to its eventual legacy.

I have recently advocated on behalf of Mortal Kombat 1 because I genuinely believe that the game is finally in a good state, but I am being realistic, not idealistic. The NRS community has a plethora of challenges to overcome, which I have already discussed, to the extent any analogies and/or aspirations for 3rd Strike, MvC2, or Melee is inapplicable and futile.

 

[TomShane]

I have recently advocated on behalf of Mortal Kombat 1 because I genuinely believe that the game is finally in a good state, but I am being realistic, not idealistic. The NRS community has a plethora of challenges to overcome, which I have already discussed, to the extent any analogies and/or aspirations for 3rd Strike, MvC2, or Melee is inapplicable and futile.

That is projection and role reversing at it's best.

 

[Jynks]

But the fanbase doesn’t like it haha.

Like even on reddit that shit is divided. Youtube comments divided. Even fucking youtube creators hated this shit.

yeah, but that is debatable, right?. Even you say "opinion is divided" ... so even you would have to admit that there is a large portion of players that like the changes or, do not care about the changes. As in the changes will not effect their buying position.

Even so... so what? No matter what happens x amount of people will complain like you emptied a shotgun into their sisters pram. It is impossible for creatives to try and make everyone happy. So they don't even try. They just stay true to their own vision. This is a good thing. The way the business side will see it, is that the game sold really well and made a shit ton of money. That is the take away they'll have. They will assume most of the people that are complaining didn't buy it or no longer play it, or never played it. So fuck em, they'll think.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I would be very surprised if they recon MK1 in anyway at all. MK2, imo, will continue from whatever "settings" are established in MK1.

 

[Jynks]

I have recently advocated on behalf of Mortal Kombat 1 because I genuinely believe that the game is finally in a good state

yeah.... MK1 is in a great place now, but it is MK1.. it will not make people that dislike MK1 suddenly like it.

The NRS community has a plethora of challenges to overcome.

IMO, the NRS scenes biggest problem is permanence. This it the crux of the problems, not with the game, but with the playerbase. My wife plays World of Warcraft and has for like 20 something years. She has tried others but always goes back to wow. The reason she said is not that it is so much better than everything else, I mean it is well made, but the real appeal is that it has permanence. If she grinds for a week to get some retarded mount of some other shit, she knows that the mount, the game itself will exist next year, or even years latter. No other mmo has that promise of the game even being playable 6 months latter. When she plays wow, she feels like the time in that game is part of her future.

The FGC as a hole, but particularly MK, is all about regular releases. SFV is not IV is not VI. They are very diffrent games. With MK it is even worse as a gimmick of the franchise is that it constantly reinvents itself. MK1 will not have Kemoes. It will have some brand new to MK systems. Just like MKx had varations and IJ had gear and blah blah. Every game in NRS is so diffrent, mixed with guests that never apear again, that it si not like Tekken or SF. You learn Ken in SF you can play Ken in every street fighter. You learn Conan in MK1... where is the permanence there?

What I am basically trying to say is that the NRS player base hits a wall, and simply stops playing and waits for the next version. There is no grinding out and finding the dirt like in the old days. There is no real deep exploration of the game systems. Why bother? They all assume a new MK wil be out in a year or 2 and it is like starting from zero anyway. MK for as good as it is and as much as I like it will always have this issue. I mean look at the threads on this fourm. It wasn't even out for a few weeks before we stared seeing MK2 posts.

 

[Vulgar]

Vulgar I'll just say I think your example doesn't work. You're saying Keaton and Reeves are basically different characters, and while you may see that I would argue they are both still bruce wayne. Just different takes on Bruce Wayne. (side note: Who with the last name Reeves played Batman?)

Now what you should be arguing about is Terry McGinnis vs Bruce Wayne. Both are cool and nobody can argue that, but Bruce Wayne is fucking Batman and we're always going to revert to that. Anyone with common sense knows that. So it's easy to enjoy both versions because you know that we're going to get something separate with Bruce Wayne so they can also tell the story of Terry McGinnis.

MK1 did not do that. They tried to take the character (Kuai Liang) who has been Sub-Zero since MK2 and suddenly say THIS IS SCORPION FOR NOW AND FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS (possibly). So fans have a right to be pissed about that because yeah no we don't want that. Same with Raiden being a fucking dude with an amulet now. Like what? A lot of this shit just does not work.

Oh and Kitana is basically useless now. At least that's what I got from her in the story. She's lost all importance. It was all given to Mileena.

Also there were things here and there I disliked in the NRS trilogy (9-11). Like I dislike that they took away the Sub-Zero mantle being a family name (which they then brought back in 11) and I disliked they cyberized Kuai Liang. However, that was still mainly characterized as Kuai Liang. He's still a cryomancer and him and Bi-han still share the bloodline. The story esssentially was told the same just with MINOR differences.

MIleena was also mostly still characterized the same in those games just with a different back story.

Mileena in MK1 is basically Kitana. She is. Idk what to tell you. So yeah we may just disagree on this point.



Lol again delusions of grandeur.

So you're talking about the same studio who teased Dark Raiden in MKX only to throw all that shit out for Kronika in MK11.

The same studio who killed all of its heroes in 9 and while they were revenants brought them right back in the next game.

The same studio who tried to introduce the kombat kids as the new heroes, realized they didn't hit, then significantly reduced their presence in MK11.

The same studio who changed Sindel drastically in 11, then got backlash, and turned all that shit around in MK1.

If you think they won't abandon all of these characters in Liu Kang's ass timeline you are incredibly naive, and tbh that's what some of us are banking on. We want them to abandon this ass timeline. So yeah we're going to cry about it on forums. It got Sindel reverted. It got Mileena in MK11. So yes. We are going to yell at the studio, "HEY YOU GUYS REALLY FUCKED UP!"

Also you can keep saying this game is a massive success but that's also going to come across as delusional. It's mixed AT BEST. So if they see this game didn't hit quite how they were hoping for they will definitely change course. Some of you guys are riding high on that Rainbow of Floyd.

Reeves as in Matt Reeves. The director of The Batman. One of Terry McGinnis' biggezt storylines is how no one sees him as Batman and he isn't really seen as the "real" Batman until Return of the Joker where hes finally accepted by his peers as Batman. Whole point of that movie. Anyway. Doesn't matter.

I'm sorry but if you saw Ed Boon and others talk about how MK1 was going to be a New Era with character changes and thought, "my main is going to be exactly the same," then you are a fool. A rube. You simply didn't pay attention.

It was always going to be different. I, for one, am not afraid of change. I figured that the characters I liked would be different and I went into it with an open mind.

I didn't think, "Man, Mileena will be exactly the same as she always was." That would be foolish.

Also no, Mileena is not, "basically Kitana" in this game. You'd have to ignore everything about her hiding that she's suffering from a disease that would make her a pariah, her shitty attitude towards victims of Tarkat that eventually turned around(character growth), and basically everything about the MK1 story to believe that.

Also, Mileena in MK9 and MKX are nothing alike. She's not acting like a giddy kid and giggling all over the place in X like she was in 9. In X, she actually has goals. In 9 she was a minion. That's it.

Or you didn't play the game. Which you didn't. Which makes me take these arguments you're making less and less seriously.

By every metric that the industry cares about, MK1 is doing fine. It sold well. It continues to sell well. It's in the top 15 most played games on PS5.

So no, no matter how much you whine and piss your diaper, MK1 wasn't a failure. You're not qualified to talk about it's quality because you've never played it.

You looked at broccoli, saw it was green, and assumed you hated it.

It is the mentality of a child.

You are a child.

 

[TomShane]

But the fanbase doesn’t like it haha.

Like even on reddit that shit is divided. Youtube comments divided. Even fucking youtube creators hated this shit.

From a business perspective it makes zero sense to stay with this timeline especially if reports ate correct that Khaos reigns did horribly.

The fanbase DOES LIKE IT.

MK1 sales are not mixed at all, considering that it has been released only for current gen consoles, these sales are excellent

Also, any affect you think that these interent has on NRS/WB, it really doesn't exist. Ed Boon said by himself that they wanted to add MIleena to MK11 on their on accord, just as DLC, it has nothing to do with the Mileena stans. Same thing with Sindel, just like Jynks said, Sindel is good in this timeline as part of the overall changes for this new timeline, nothing to do with the screaming (no pun intended) about Sindel.

Also regarding things that you expected to happen but didn't occur, Shawn Kittlesen (one of the writers of the stories for MK11 and IJ2, and also the writer of MKX comic) said by himself all the way back in the days of MK11 that Ed Boon likes to swerve people in their stories. And that is not a bad thing. As long as it is written properly and done right, it's a great thing, and MK games do it right all the time.

Any control that you and the interent bashers think you got over MK, NRS and WB, just simply doesn't exist. All of you are just like Reiko in the MKX comic. Just like he thought that he is a god only to get the harsh reality check, you guys think that your voice actually matters, but in reality, it doesn't. All of you complained about stuff since MK9, and yet the games only keep getting sold and played by more and more people. MK11 got 15 million copies sold not because the Mileena stans kept screaming for her to come back, MK11 sold that much DESPITE all of them. Also, if the Sindel thing was indeed a bad thing, wouldn't it affect the sales of MK11 right then and there? Yet it still sold this much, and it wouldn't be until MK1, where Sindel would be good again. Have you ever thought about that?

But you never understood that, because you believe that what you prefer is what the majority want, and the other posters on Reddit and X, who just want to get likes and empty validation out of you, and the YouTubers who keep saying these same things while also flip flopping constantly to get clicks and money off of your clicks, they themselves don't believe that crap either. They just want you to click on their stuff. And if they do believe it, they are delusional, just like you.

Oh and regarding Sindel again, her "personality change" is not a retcon, but it's a plot twist. During MK9 story, there are multiple indicators that Sindel in the 2nd timeline was bad all along, it's just that only in MK11 it was finally flashed out. Also, while Sindel is showing to be good in the story, there are some teases that she actually is evil, you can see them during during some intros and endings that not all citizens of Outworld like Sindel, and it's even hinted during Sindel's own victory pose and Fatalities. So, maybe in MK13 she will be reveled to be bad once again?

 

[Vulgar]

But the fanbase doesn’t like it haha.

Like even on reddit that shit is divided. Youtube comments divided. Even fucking youtube creators hated this shit.

From a business perspective it makes zero sense to stay with this timeline especially if reports ate correct that Khaos reigns did horribly.

Apparently 5 million people did like it.

 

[Vulgar]

Also I always felt like evil Sindel had way more personality than good Sindel.

Just look at MK11 Sindel. She was Down. To. Fuck.

I'm here for that.

 

[zerosebaz]

Why on earth they got rid of premier skins I will never know. They had them in Inhustice 2 and MK11 but just randomly dropped them in this game. No clue why.

Yeah, its really weird that they have skins that are clearly meant to be the original version of the characters, but, well, they aren't. I wonder if they planned them to be and decided against that, or if it was never the plan to begin with.

 

[zerosebaz]

Oh and regarding Sindel again, her "personality change" is not a retcon, but it's a plot twist. During MK9 story, there are multiple indicators that Sindel in the 2nd timeline was bad all along,

No, it's definitely a retcon.

it's just that only in MK11 it was finally flashed out. Also, while Sindel is showing to be good in the story, there are some teases that she actually is evil, you can see them during during some intros and endings that not all citizens of Outworld like Sindel, and it's even hinted during Sindel's own victory pose and Fatalities. So, maybe in MK13 she will be reveled to be bad once again?

I love this new Sindel, this is by far the best depiction of her, but I don't think she is evil, I think she is just a cunt. She is good, but has the whole arrogance of royalty turned to 11. I think it makes for a much more interesting character than her past incarnations, and really hope that, whatever the future holds, she is always depicted like this going forwards, at least when she is not being mind controlled.

 

[TomShane]

No, it's definitely a retcon.




I love this new Sindel, this is by far the best depiction of her, but I don't think she is evil, I think she is just a cunt. She is good, but has the whole arrogance of royalty turned to 11. I think it makes for a much more interesting character than her past incarnations, and really hope that, whatever the future holds, she is always depicted like this going forwards, at least when she is not being mind controlled.

No, it's a plot twist. Watch the MK3 portion of the MK9 story mode, from the conversation between Quan Chi and Shao Kahn, all the way up to the end, there are multiple indicators that Sindel in the 2nd timeline is evil, which also line up with Sindel's MK11 ending that she was the one who killed Jerrod and lying about Shao Kahn being the murder.

As for Sindel in MK1, maybe you're right, we will see.

 

[Juggs]

Hmmm. You kind of are.

Your very long thread could basically be summed up as, "This assist fighter doesn't work like traditional assist fighters, therefore it is fundamentally flawed and bad."

I gotchu, dawg.

Tag me next time and I'll spare people the extra reading. I'll be your translator.

That thread was made because people constantly compared MK1 to other assist fighters. I mean I clearly laid this out in the thread. Are you sure you actually read it or is your reading comprehension decaying that rapidly? I know you can’t stand, for whatever reason, when people are critical of MK1, but being purposely dishonest is not a good look, even for you ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[Trickywizard]

MK story mode is horrendous, I stopped caring about story line after MKX.

woke gender swap on the cyborgs lazy and wack but the base game is actually good and fun to play.
I hope they keep supporting the game not only with dlc chars but balance patches.