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Support for MK1 Supposedly Cancelled

Do you think this is the end of MK1?


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Ashesfall

"Feel the wrath of Shao Kahn"
He starts the video by saying that the new characters are great, that the game is fun to play, and that it's fun enough that he wanted to put time into it. It's crazy that people skip that completely. Most of his arguments are based around matchmaking and rooms.

Max understands how to give a balanced, constructive critique, and it seems like that bothers some people, so they ignore all those parts.
I didn't want to post all here, for more watch video I said. There was no "intentional" skip on my end. If he had no fun at all, would he even mention the awful online experience?
As a "party" game, with all the brutals, for sure a game I play some casuals in ranked but the meta is just not appealing to me. This is why I posted here all the time, please add this online feature, I have played maybe 5 online games (declined like 20 wifi scrubs) and never again, always Tekken when I want to play a fighting game online. I gave the feedback even far before MK1 release ..., and now Max also jumps on it, my hope is, NRS might feel more pressure to change it now. That's it.

Gameplay and online experience are so different in topic tho.
I have no local scene (and also don't care for it) and when online is trash, the gameplay could be the best ever created, I would not play the game, I would rather spend my time playing other games.
 

Ashesfall

"Feel the wrath of Shao Kahn"
I mean, the online aspect to a fighting game should be THE heart of this genre. Nice, you have good netcode since MKXL but nothing has ever changed since. Not acceptable when the market has stepped up the game.

Why not have separated ranks? If I play my active main he is trained, when I switch now to start new and have just some fun, I am doomed to get mopped. So bad design to not play your game.
And if the reason is to safe noobs, go the Tekken way like.
If you reach grand master, all your characters will be warrior.
If you reach edler god, all your characters will be grand master.

I never used lobbies but taking this feature out, while I hear people ask for it all the time, is also just bad and not understandable.
All factors why MK1 is now where it is ...

Are you @NRS happy with your online experience vision in 2024?
(Do you even care, or is it just how can you milk us fans more and push agendas into the game ...)
MK1 is not made by passioned gamers anymore ...
(Art design is great but it's a different team)
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
My time with MK1 was cut short from real life responsibilities making it to where I wouldn’t be able to put in the time - and I’m someone who won’t bother with competitive games if I can’t put in time to be at a level I’m satisfied with, but I enjoyed MK1 decently well.

Actually playing it is a blast. I liked Sub decently well in this game (not as much as MKX, 11, or Injustice 2 which is the most fun Sub to me). Mixed feelings on kameos. Can see both sides.

Everything surrounding the core mechanics is awful though. Terrible story mode, no fun bonus modes. People will say that MK stories have always been dumb, yes but not so widely mocked and hated. Invasions is horrible and I really miss the MK9 challenge tower. Unless you’re severely addicted to the game, you need something other than just playing Kombat league (which I won’t get started on) to enjoy playing long term. It’s like playing infected in Halo or COD zombies when you get tired of being ass blasted sweating it out on ranked. This game has no respite from a lackluster online experience. People expect better because they’ve received better.

This game reminds me of Halo 5. Very fun core mechanics but alienating to a lot of players. Competent campaign that ultimately misses the point of why people enjoy the property beyond the mechanics. Horrendous communication from the devs, greedy publishers, awful value proposition, and predatory micro transactions. Both franchises - Halo and MK used to offer incredible value for your dollar in comparison to other games in their genres but are now mocked as barebones and soulless despite having arguably the strongest core mechanics of all their games. Killed the average player’s trust in the brand despite being financially successful.
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
The people shitting on the meta are so weird to me, because every fighting game ever has a defined meta at the highest level. And MK1 currently has one of the most flexible ones. We're far away from the days of Cyrax or Bust.
I have played quite a few hours yesterday, and still seems to have a lot of d1 to be used as an escape to more pressure, but so far i also noticed that characters who can avoid this kind of pressure and counter it are the strongest ones in the meta by far, on top of d1s being punishable on block.

I'm enjoying ermac btw, he feels like a nice mix and match of his UMk3, Mk9 and MKX all together attached, with weird normals and grabs that can confuse anyone, and his f4~db2 cancel into j2 or j1 or db3 are quite a breath of fresh air.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
"However, it was always held down by I'd argue the worst feeling NRS game out there. A game with some cool ideas but not great execution"

"The kameo system, I like the idea for it, and then eventually how you do it.. not good, do not like. It's gotten better but do not like"
His critiques seem to be very similar to mine. Not gonna rehash my issues with the Kameo system, if someone hasn’t seen my thoughts on them, you can view them here <— click on “here”
 

KiD INsAnitY

Z of The Leaf -Team R.A.N
If you’re still bitching about them making Ketchup n Mustard woman. You’re a weirdo period.

Anyway if this is the end of MK1 support. I honestly think we might enter a “3D” Mk era in terms of the franchise just not being on the map anymore.

This game has the most potential of any previous MK to just up and abandoned because of DLC sales that were overpriced in the first place is sad.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
If you’re still bitching about them making Ketchup n Mustard woman. You’re a weirdo period.

Anyway if this is the end of MK1 support. I honestly think we might enter a “3D” Mk era in terms of the franchise just not being on the map anymore.

This game has the most potential of any previous MK to just up and abandoned because of DLC sales that were overpriced in the first place is sad.
Well NRS just announced a new pro tour for MK1, so I don’t think they plan on abandoning it anytime soon… ¯\(ツ)
 

YagamiFire

Mortal
I honestly think we might enter a “3D” Mk era in terms of the franchise just not being on the map anymore.
I don't know how people say shit like this other than total ignorance of the time period they're talking about

During the 3d era, MK and Tekken were the major visible fighting games on the block with real notoriety.

Deadly Alliance was a huge hit that is credited with reviving the entire franchise after 3 and 4 did not do well.

Deception was literally the fastest selling Midway game of all time.

This wacky revisionist history that MK was "not on the map" as a franchise during the 3d era is absolutely wild. MKI and II were huge, 3 and 4 were a slump then the franchise did extremely well with Deadly Alliance through Armageddon.

If MK1 is the new MK4, NRS & WB would pray to God to have their next game be like Deadly Alliance with the start of the 3d era
 

Juxtapose

Master
Both franchises - Halo and MK used to offer incredible value for your dollar in comparison to other games in their genres but are now mocked as barebones and soulless despite having arguably the strongest core mechanics of all their games. Killed the average player’s trust in the brand despite being financially successful.
For Halo, it's a shame as Halo: Infinite is an excellent game now. While I don't play Multiplayer myself (I do want to try Firefight at some point), I'm hearing nothing but great things now. The Campaign was always strong, and got some QoL fixes and bug fixes and is easily one of the best Halo Campaign's out there now.

I don't know how people say shit like this other than total ignorance of the time period they're talking about
Because it's true. During the Arcade Era, Mortal Kombat had movies, comics, tv shows, trading cards, action figures, and even a live action tour. It was a huge franchise and pop culture phenomenon.

The 3D Era arrived as the fighting game genre was in heavy decline, and everything dried up. All of the above stuff went away and no one carried about the franchise anymore. It was still there, but nothing major.

Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance through Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe was a real low point for the franchise. It wasn't until Mortal Kombat (2011) that the franchise truly picked up again.
 

YagamiFire

Mortal
Because it's true. During the Arcade Era, Mortal Kombat had movies, comics, tv shows, trading cards, action figures, and even a live action tour. It was a huge franchise and pop culture phenomenon.
Do you mean while riding the wave of MK and MKII before the start of the downturn during MK3 and the huge drop-off of MK4? MK4 was in 97...the same year that Mortal Kombat Annihilation came out and turned the franchise into a laughing stock that was the butt of a zillion jokes that continue to this day.

You can look at the numbers yourselves. Look at the best selling fighters. You're not going to see MK3. You're not going to see MK4. Now, that is not to say they did terribly because MK has always sold well as a series...BUT if you look what do you see? Deadly Alliance. Deception. Armageddon. They sold very well. Despite the damage that was done by previous games. Especially 4. MK basically disappeared for a while because of 4. Proof is in the pudding. Look at the release schedule of the games.

92, 93, 95, 97, 02, 04, 06, 08, 2011, 2015, 2019, 2023

That half a decade gap? That's the fall-out from MK4. How in the world are we saying the 3d era was a low point when they were releasing top selling games every 2 years for 6 years? MK4 created a 5 year gap until it was palatable to release another MK. That's a bigger gap than between VS DC and MK9.

The 3d era was not a slump. It was a recovery from a slump. MK1, MKDA and MK9 are the 3 major era kick-offs for MK success. This is inarguable. Arcade, 3d and NRS.

MK and Tekken were the two pillars holding up fighting games in the mainstream through the 00s.

And, mind you, this is not nostalgia for me. I'm from the arcade era. I love MK3. I played UMK3 and MKT more than any other MK until modern ones and didn't get into the 3d era until it was out for a bit. I bought all three 3d games at the same time to play through.

The 3D Era arrived as the fighting game genre was in heavy decline, and everything dried up. All of the above stuff went away and no one carried about the franchise anymore. It was still there, but nothing major.
This is absolutely wrong. So much so that it's wrong by nearly half a decade. SF3 was in 97 and arcades were already in decline. SF3 was the biggest arcade game when it came out...and it barely made money. 3rd Strike came out in 99 and arcades were essentially fully niche by that time with a huge rise in home gaming. Were people still going? Were people still playing fighters? Absolutely. Were arcades what they were in the 80's and early-mid 90's? Not even close. The downturn hit fast and hard. As the era of CD systems caught on through 95 and onward arcades got hit hard.

The 3d era started in 02, a full half a decade after SF3's release. A half a decade after the start of the downturn and the release of SF3 and MK4. Neither of which did well. The result was an entire new era for MK that saw them topping charts again. Was it the cultural phenomenon that MK I was? Obviously not...but it was far better for Midway than MK3 or 4 were, which were a full half of the 'arcade era'
 
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aj1701

Champion
thank goodness. this game needs to go. NRS needs to go. Everything from the top bottom needs to be thrown out and refreshed. at the very least, whoever is in charge of gameplay direction needs to go. Ed probably should retire like Ono did. It's INCREDIBLE that this franchise needs another MK9 reboot already. Twice now they've needed this. Twice. That's...something.
Yeah, this has been MK all along. MK2 & MK9 (was was basically just going back to MK2) were the only improvements to MK games; then every subsequent game gets shittier and shittier.
 

Juxtapose

Master
Do you mean while riding the wave of MK and MKII before the start of the downturn during MK3 and the huge drop-off of MK4? MK4 was in 97...the same year that Mortal Kombat Annihilation came out and turned the franchise into a laughing stock that was the butt of a zillion jokes that continue to this day.
Mortal Kombat 3 was not a downturn in the slightest. At least here in North America, it was massive. It was during it's time that the aforementioned live action tour was happening.

Mortal Kombat 4 was definitely a downturn, I agree, but it was still when cross-media stuff was being made. People were still talking about Mortal Kombat. That was done by the 3D era.

How in the world are we saying the 3d era was a low point when they were releasing top selling games every 2 years for 6 years?
Keep in mind Mortal Kombat 11 is the best selling game in the franchise and people constantly call it dog shit. Evidently, sales numbers are not everything. Also keep in mind that by the time of the 6th generation of consoles, the gaming landscape had changed drastically from the arcade era. Gone was the primary revenue of pumping quarters and then doing home ports, now the consoles were the big (only?) revenue stream.

I was an adult when the 3D era started, and I clearly remember the disappointment people had in the games, how meh their reception was, and how it was generally agreed that the franchise was at it's lowest point. When Ed announced Shaolin Monks and started talking about a new Mortal Kombat annually, people were... not enthused.

If you personally enjoyed said titles, if you grew up with them (not you specifically since you said you grew up with the arcade titles), or if you simply want to wear your rose coloured goggles, feel free.

This is absolutely wrong.
I wasn't clear enough here. Fighting games started to decline significantly with the rise and popularity of first person shooters. By the time of Mortal Kombat 4, you're correct that this was well underway. By the time of the 3D era, fighting games had become a very niche genre.

I'd say the FGC has bounced back more in the last decade then it has in the early 2000's, but the genre still isn't the juggernaut it was from the mid-90's.
 
I hate to say this, I really do but maybe it is for the best for MK1 to be put to rest. This game was rushed, and I mean rushed. At least MK11 was polished up despite the gameplay.

MK1 is empty. No customization like the previous game disappointed me, Invasions sucked ass and the long awaited Warrior Shrine was just a fucking leaderboard. There’s just not much to do in this game, and the fact that they want us to keep paying for overpriced shit is also killing the game. They have alienated the fan base, they lack communication, and every step forward is like five steps back.

The story is a mess. Why on Earth would they immediately jump into the whole multiverse mumbo-jumbo when this is called Mortal Kombat 1. They say that the endings are canon yet are completely ignored by Khaos Reigns. Their story is not consistent where for the first time since MKvsDC, I could care less about where the series is heading towards in a narrative perspective. They need a new writer, it’s not working anymore. It’s not consistent.

And I think that’s the major problem in general. Mortal Kombat hasn’t felt consistently “good” to me since MKX. I’ll die on the hill that this game was somehow supposed to be INJ3, but somehow turned into MK1. While MK1 seemed promising all I can say is wasted potential. Which sucks because the roster is amazing, and I really enjoyed having assists.
 

Juxtapose

Master
They say that the endings are canon yet are completely ignored by Khaos Reigns.
That's the thing, they clearly aren't canon as proved by "Khaos Reigns," Story Mode is the only thing truly canon under NRS.

The Mortal Kombat X comics were canon, and then ~5 years later they weren't. Then shortly after they were declared sort-of-canon...

Very inconsistent.

The whole multiverse concept is clearly a cash grab based on the success of the MCU and such.
 
That's the thing, they clearly aren't canon as proved by "Khaos Reigns," Story Mode is the only thing truly canon under NRS.

The Mortal Kombat X comics were canon, and then ~5 years later they weren't. Then shortly after they were declared sort-of-canon...

Very inconsistent.

The whole multiverse concept is clearly a cash grab based on the success of the MCU and such.
It pisses me off that every new game since MKX is the writer saying “Actually this is how it really went down” and ignores the established canon from the previous game. They need a new writer that actually likes the story being told. What messed up story expansion would have included Jade, Cassie Cage, Sonya Blade, Kung Jin and Kano? Is Kano the villain? That would mean Special Forces returning in some capacity and people are tired of it. No Jax?

The more I think about MK1 the more angry I get cause how the hell do you have MK1 without the main girl that helped started it all? I don’t care much about Sonya but to have her be just a cameo…
 

Juxtapose

Master
Basically, for me, assuming support for Mortal Kombat 1 does end around spring of 2025, what I'd like to see for Mortal Kombat 13 would be:

  • From a lore perspective, treat Mortal Kombat 1 as it's own thing (like Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe) and do a proper follow up to _Mortal Kombat 11: Aftermath. No more mulitverses, and keep characters consistent, as I generally liked the alternate timelines characters.
  • Keep the story simple, and have a darker tone. The klassic tournament is an option, but something like the Outworld Civil War would be great. No multiverse stuff.
  • I don't mind the cinematic story mode, and have no issue with it returning.
  • No Kameo Partners or Variations. Give us proper, traditional, complete characters.
  • Take the time needed to develop and release a complete and polished game. Don't rush it. Having the franchise take a breather for a while would not be a bad thing (though with WB Games prioritizing the franchise, I doubt this will happen).
  • Only one or 2 3D era characters for the games final, post DLC roster. Arcade era and new characters are best.
  • No Invasions. Let's have a proper Mortal Kombat action adventure game as a separate game/product.
I'm sure a lot of this is pie in the sky territory, but it's what I'd personally like.
 

Juxtapose

Master
It pisses me off that every new game since MKX is the writer saying “Actually this is how it really went down” and ignores the established canon from the previous game. They need a new writer that actually likes the story being told. What messed up story expansion would have included Jade, Cassie Cage, Sonya Blade, Kung Jin and Kano? Is Kano the villain? That would mean Special Forces returning in some capacity and people are tired of it. No Jax?

The more I think about MK1 the more angry I get cause how the hell do you have MK1 without the main girl that helped started it all? I don’t care much about Sonya but to have her be just a cameo…
Again, drawing from my experience in the tv production bizz, I don't think it's Dom directing how the story goes, I think it's suits from WB Games outlining that they want a multiverse story, a time travel story, etc. and then Dom has to work on that. I could be wrong, of course, but the trend for universe shattering stories is a gaming thing, not just a Mortal Kombat thing. It's a trend.

Keep things simple, relatable, dark, and gritty, and you've got a solid story (usually).
 

Kadaver

Noob
I don't know how people say shit like this other than total ignorance of the time period they're talking about

During the 3d era, MK and Tekken were the major visible fighting games on the block with real notoriety.

Deadly Alliance was a huge hit that is credited with reviving the entire franchise after 3 and 4 did not do well.

Deception was literally the fastest selling Midway game of all time.

This wacky revisionist history that MK was "not on the map" as a franchise during the 3d era is absolutely wild. MKI and II were huge, 3 and 4 were a slump then the franchise did extremely well with Deadly Alliance through Armageddon.

If MK1 is the new MK4, NRS & WB would pray to God to have their next game be like Deadly Alliance with the start of the 3d era
Yeah, I see this pretty often. I was there during the 3-D era and it was huge. The mid 90’s were a golden era for fighting games and we will most likely not see anything like that again. So of course the reception of later titles may look Luke warm in comparison. But I specifically recall Deception being very well received.
 
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