Evo France announces 6 games - MK1 Not Included

[Juggs]

Mods for actually letting this shit fly and not cleaning up this thread.

And then, we will ask ourselves why NRS doesn't visit anymore

Yet not a single person, including yourself, made a single report. Had no idea any of this was going on. I don’t spend 24hrs a day on this site reading every single post and thread. If you or anyone else truly have an issue with someone, their posts, etc, use the report function. Complaining about it without reporting it to staff or tagging staff makes you part of the problem.

Anyway, thread cleaned.

 

[Savage8-8]

When I hear that the game is in a good state it's really hard for me to see that looking at it from launch until now. If we are talking specifically about gameplay I would agree that it's better to play but that's where it stops IMO.

I'm constantly finding myself feeling that the game is lacking. Not lacking new stuff, but features I have come to expect since they have been in the previous games. There is no lobby system. You can't even practice while you wait in a KOH room. You can't even start your own public KOH match. The menus are bland and look unfinished. For all of the cosmetics you get you can't even select presets in the fighter select screen anymore. I do realize some of these things are small but they add up to the whole experience while playing the game.

They are now charging for fatalities. And they charged full price for an expansion that did not offer much more modes only characters and a story. I don't know about you guys but invasions I only played for combo practice and skins at the beginning but now I don't care anymore and stick to KL. These things don't inspire people to play the game.

The game launched incomplete and still feels incomplete. Say what you want about MK11 gameplay wise but it was a complete game as was every NRS title before it. Regardless if it is NRS or WB's fault the result is the same. I don't hate MK1 but am disappointed with the game bc i feel it should have been better.

 

[LEGEND]

When I hear that the game is in a good state it's really hard for me to see that looking at it from launch until now. If we are talking specifically about gameplay I would agree that it's better to play but that's where it stops IMO.

I'm constantly finding myself feeling that the game is lacking. Not lacking new stuff, but features I have come to expect since they have been in the previous games. There is no lobby system. You can't even practice while you wait in a KOH room. You can't even start your own public KOH match. The menus are bland and look unfinished. For all of the cosmetics you get you can't even select presets in the fighter select screen anymore. I do realize some of these things are small but they add up to the whole experience while playing the game.

They are now charging for fatalities. And they charged full price for an expansion that did not offer much more modes only characters and a story. I don't know about you guys but invasions I only played for combo practice and skins at the beginning but now I don't care anymore and stick to KL. These things don't inspire people to play the game.

The game launched incomplete and still feels incomplete. Say what you want about MK11 gameplay wise but it was a complete game as was every NRS title before it. Regardless if it is NRS or WB's fault the result is the same. I don't hate MK1 but am disappointed with the game bc i feel it should have been better.

Completely rational and I agree.

Gameplay is king though and MK1 is the best gameplay maybe ever in an NRS game.

 

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

Part of the problem: How much does WB benefit from paying for and organizing a "pro tour"?

Hard to ignore this. One phrase you’ll hear amongst old FGC forums is “esports was a mistake.” In the book Play Nice: The Rise and Fall of Blizzard entertainment, Jason Schreier investigated how the Overwatch League diverted a lot of company resources for very little return. I think Tekken post-AK, post-Arslan, gets some marketing mileage out of their TWT because it has global appeal. Also Tekken is fighting to catch up with Street Fighter so if an offline scene is intrinsic to Street Fighter’s brand than Tekken is going to have to compete.

In MK’s case, they’re already on third base in terms of sales. The launch version of the game speaks for itself it was definitely in a beta condition when we all bought it for full price.

As Tom Brady (and Crimson Shadow) have said elsewhere, if player passion for MK was more similar to the Brazilian MK scene, the competitive scene would be thriving irrespective of all this pro-tour talk.

I’ve said it before but anecdotally MK players are rare at fighting game weeklies (in Boston at least). And those events are basically bigger since the release of sf6,t8,strive,granblue

 

[Savage8-8]

Completely rational and I agree.

Gameplay is king though and MK1 is the best gameplay maybe ever in an NRS game.

Best gameplay maybe. But when that's all we have the experience feels empty IMO. Its almost the exact opposite with what we had with MK11. Everyone agreed the game looked amazing and was a complete package but a lot of people despised the gameplay.

I do agree that the gameplay is what matters. But when it's one of the few things positive about a title it gets old fast

 

[Eji1700]

Yet not a single person, including yourself, made a single report. Had no idea any of this was going on. I don’t spend 24hrs a day on this site reading every single post and thread. If you or anyone else truly have an issue with someone, their posts, etc, use the report function. Complaining about it without reporting it to staff or tagging staff makes you part of the problem.

Anyway, thread cleaned.

For what it's worth, what's the line? TYM has, by FAR, the highest tolerance for bullshit of any forum i've ever been apart of. I'm fine with not going completely orwellian and just locking down shit the moment it gets heated, but this topic didn't seem that unique as far as off topic shit slinging fests go for this place (but I also have vulgar on ignore and missed some of it before you cleaned up, so maybe it got worse?).

Like I legit don't know if a major line was crossed here or if this was just business as usual

 

[Marlow]

It does seem like the business model of WB/NRS is just more focused on single player and casual content. NRS goes big on Cinematic Story Mode, things like lore, single player things like Krypt/Invasions/Towers. It's also built on turning over and coming out with new games at a faster pace. And it works for them, the game sells really well, the single player content and lore is second to none, and usually the gameplay is pretty interesting or inventive. The online works ok if you just want to dip your toes into some casual or ranked, or play directly with friends. But it's not really ever marketed or presented as a competition style game.

Contrast that with Street Fighter, where every vibe seems to be suggesting to the player that competing with others is the main priority.

I'm not sure either one of those approaches is inherently right or wrong, but it seems to be the reality that WB/NRS doesn't care as much about in person competition.

 

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

They absolutely don't care about player vs player. I remember tuning into Aris/Avoiding the Puddle when MK1 released, since he had early access, and it didn't even allow you to screen matches if the ping was ridiculous. When it first launched, ranked would force you to play matches with people with 120+ ms Ping wifi without anyway to decline. You could only decline bad ping in Kasual mode - and that was like the first month of gameplay. It looks bad when streamers themselves want to play your game but basic functionality isn't there. It's embarrassing, but if we're being honest with ourselves, maybe it's only embarrassing to the 1 million players in the USA who are interested in the FGC.

Edit: of course Smash Bros Melee and Project M are both counter points, though one could say Nintendo’s IPs are also singular in terms of their wide appeal. I think MK should at least be pulling melty blood type numbers to events

 

[LEGEND]

They absolutely don't care about player vs player. I remember tuning into Aris/Avoiding the Puddle when MK1 released, since he had early access, and it didn't even allow you to screen matches if the ping was ridiculous. When it first launched, ranked would force you to play matches with people with 120+ ms Ping wifi without anyway to decline. You could only decline bad ping in Kasual mode - and that was like the first month of gameplay. It looks bad when streamers themselves want to play your game but basic functionality isn't there.

I remember this clearly and think about it often. How many people were initially interested in MK1 but were instantly sored by the launch experience, and aren't going to touch the game again either ever, or until massive QOL changes are implemented.

 

[Juggs]

For what it's worth, what's the line? TYM has, by FAR, the highest tolerance for bullshit of any forum i've ever been apart of. I'm fine with not going completely orwellian and just locking down shit the moment it gets heated, but this topic didn't seem that unique as far as off topic shit slinging fests go for this place (but I also have vulgar on ignore and missed some of it before you cleaned up, so maybe it got worse?).

Like I legit don't know if a major line was crossed here or if this was just business as usual

As much as I hate to say it, the activity here is almost nonexistent unless someone like @Vulgar starts stirring shit up. While I didn’t know any of this was happening until I saw Eddy’s post, still, to me it’s better than there being no activity at all. We have banned Vulgar many times (Rude), but he sometimes is what is keeping the site alive as weird as it is to say. And when he goes over the line, I DM him or infract him and he never argues with me about it. He always says he understands. But idk what I’m supposed to do. Either let him stir shit up, or let the forums die?

EDIT: I realize I didn’t really answer part of your question. I think personal attacks are obviously over the line. As well as breaking the other site rules. So while I know I’ve personally been more lenient recently, and even though the forums aren’t as active, I still don’t have time to read every new post. However, that becomes more the case when there’s drama or arguments because that’s what gets people posting.

This doesn’t mean I’m trying to encourage people to start drama or whatever, but I wish the active members would be active outside of drama and arguments.
¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[Eddy Wang]

Yet not a single person, including yourself, made a single report. Had no idea any of this was going on. I don’t spend 24hrs a day on this site reading every single post and thread. If you or anyone else truly have an issue with someone, their posts, etc, use the report function. Complaining about it without reporting it to staff or tagging staff makes you part of the problem.

Anyway, thread cleaned.

thanks for reminding me that the report function exists, imma bout to start reporting ppl for derailing threads from this point towards.

 

[TarkatanPeriodontik]

People bring up an SF V comparison but I don’t think MK11 vs MK1 is as drastic a gameplay departure as SFV was to SF IV. I am optimistic that with good publicity and QOL patches that give parity between MK and its competitors would bring people back. Anecdotally, 09ers who started a SFIV who were soured by how SFV turned out fully moved to other games like Tekken and didn’t come back. I don’t think that has to be the case for MK1 because the game play is very similar.

 

[Vulgar]

As much as I hate to say it, the activity here is almost nonexistent unless someone like @Vulgar starts stirring shit up. While I didn’t know any of this was happening until I saw Eddy’s post, still, to me it’s better than there being no activity at all. We have banned Vulgar many times (Rude), but he sometimes is what is keeping the site alive as weird as it is to say. And when he goes over the line, I DM him or infract him and he never argues with me about it. He always says he understands. But idk what I’m supposed to do. Either let him stir shit up, or let the forums die?

EDIT: I realize I didn’t really answer part of your question. I think personal attacks are obviously over the line. As well as breaking the other site rules. So while I know I’ve personally been more lenient recently, and even though the forums aren’t as active, I still don’t have time to read every new post. However, that becomes more the case when there’s drama or arguments because that’s what gets people posting.

This doesn’t mean I’m trying to encourage people to start drama or whatever, but I wish the active members would be active outside of drama and arguments.
¯\(ツ)/¯

I'm fucking awesome, I know.

To be honest, I wonder how some of these guys would handle this forum in 2011 or back when top players used to post here.

Yall don't know toxic like what would go down from time to time.

Anyway, very rarely do I argue with an infraction or a ban. I hold it most of the time.

That said, if I see something I disagree with, I'm going to say something. If I see a right wing nut job going off about DEI or wokeness, I'm going to speak up.

Additionally, I match people's tones. If you start an engagement on some fuck shit, I'll get on some fuck shit as well. I don't care.

I'm consistent in my values. More people should be.

 

[Vulgar]

Anyway, it sucks that the game isn't at France or whatever, but I'll be more shocked if it isn't at Vegas next year.

Until then, Ghostface.

How fucking sick was his teaser trailer?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Guys if it’s not about fighting games, this isn’t the place for it.

Back on topic: just a reminder that every game has its issues.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1850879694356279363

The comments speak for themselves.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852085716626370581

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851829250623705322

You can either try to advocate for the improvements you want to see while supporting the scene, or you can be counterproductive and relentlessly negative. If you choose the second path, then don’t complain that people aren’t showing up. If you’re waiting around for that perfect fighting game to drop that everyone loves, it doesn’t exist.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Guys if it’s not about fighting games, this isn’t the place for it.

Back on topic: just a reminder that every game has its issues.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1850879694356279363

The comments speak for themselves.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852085716626370581

You can either try to advocate for the improvements you want to see while supporting the scene, or you can be counterproductive and relentlessly negative. If you choose the second path, then don’t complain that people aren’t showing up. If you’re waiting around for that perfect fighting game to drop that everyone loves, it doesn’t exist.

everyone else adapted to the game and it's winning, but mister ash has been playing for hours long, plays a meta character, loses, fails to compliment the ppl that defeat him, replacing this missing oportunities with excuses on why he loses, demans all other characters to get nerfed except the ones he plays, goes into a mental breakdown and post this.

If there is a takeaway from this tweet, it's that he is having a metal breakdown because he isn't winning, so he wants to game to change to a vision that caters him more.

Harada and Murray already admited that they hated the way Tekken 7 played, and specifically created tekken 8 to counter Arslan's and Knee's style of play, one has adapated and destroyed everyone using his main which he hasn't used since season 3 and qualified for the world finals, the other one can't find a broken character to carry him over to the world finals, so he is having a mental breakdown on twitter.


Just to give you guys more context, what he is complaining about, it's exactly how tekken 7 used to be, everyone had nukes and you would die in one touch, the main difference with 8 it's that every character is juiced in the same way, and sidestep actually do sidestep, so you can't auto pilot offence without being countered.

Here is a bit of hipocrisy, a 30 seconds clips of the game everyone loves and miss, a "real tekken " game where arslan was the best in the world

 

[Vulgar]

everyone else adapted to the game and it's winning, but mister ash has been playing for hours long, plays a meta character, loses, fails to compliment the ppl that defeat him, replacing this missing oportunities with excuses on why he loses, demans all other characters to get nerfed except the ones he plays, goes into a mental breakdown and post this.

If there is a takeaway from this tweet, it's that he is having a metal breakdown because he isn't winning, so he wants to game to change to a vision that caters him more.

Harada and Murray already admited that they hated the way Tekken 7 played, and specifically created tekken 8 to counter Arslan's and Knee's style of play, one has adapated and destroyed everyone using his main which he hasn't used since season 3 and qualified for the world finals, the other one can't find a broken character to carry him over to the world finals, so he is having a mental breakdown on twitter.


Just to give you guys more context, what he is complaining about, it's exactly how tekken 7 used to be, everyone had nukes and you would die in one touch, the main difference with 8 it's that every character is juiced in the same way, and sidestep actually do sidestep, so you can't auto pilot offence without being countered.

Here is a bit of hipocrisy, a 30 seconds clips of the game everyone loves and miss, a "real tekken " game where arslan was the best in the world

Didn't Arslan recently win EVO for T8? I think he's venting his feelings and that's important. A pot that always gas a lid on it will explode eventually, and that's just sad.

I'd say that certainly makes him the best in the world, currently.

 

[Vulgar]

The larger point that Crimson is making is that every fighting game community has problems with their game, but they still show up for it.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Didn't Arslan recently win EVO for T8? I think he's venting his feelings and that's important. A pot that always gas a lid on it will explode eventually, and that's just sad.

I'd say that certainly makes him the best in the world, currently.

i have no issue with him winning or losing, but no player gets where it is without losing, so aknowledge that his opponents did played better it's part of the process too.

Instead he loses and goes off to twitter to complain about lag on monitors, not confidence in his stick, and so on, it's only great when he wins, but when he gets bodied, it's the game's fault, that's where the issue is.

And you added another valid point, he did win evo, which was a just yesterday tournament wise, but dude is complaining like he hasn't won ever since he touched the game, which it's not true, the EVO 8 he bodied knee with a broken Azucena, won Evo, but here it is lmao

I normally don't take complaints like that serious, every top player who plays a game competitive tends to sway the balance of the game at their favor, he is just venting off, but i'm sure in the world finals he will play his best and eventually win.

 

[Marlow]

I also think in terms of success and popularity overall in the FGC, MK9, MKX, and MK11 all performed basically the same. At least if we're judging by things like EVO participation, sales, YT views, and critic reviews.

 

[Felipe_Gewehr]

I also think in terms of success and popularity overall in the FGC, MK9, MKX, and MK11 all performed basically the same. At least if we're judging by things like EVO participation, sales, YT views, and critic reviews.

The sales numbers, however, continuosly improved from one game to another. MK1 might be the first NRS MK game that does not outsell its predecessor

 

[Subby Z]

Idk I realize I’m not a competitive player but I find it funny that there are 3 characters who have been staples since MK2. Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang), Scorpion (Hanzo Hasashi), and Raiden. Those 3 were also the crossover characters to the Injustice games.

This game threw those roles out and HEAVILY changed all 3 of them. I would put 2 and 2 together and think maybe fans also just really don’t like the characters they’ve played as for 30 years fucked with. I know I didn’t play this game for that reason (which I’ve been vocal about already). I’ve played as Sub-Zero since I was a child and while I realize Bi-han has his fans I like playing as Kuai Liang when I play Sub-Zero. I’m sure there are others who may feel the same way and I know Scorpion players have been pissed that Hanzo isn’t Scorpion.

IMO from a marketing standpoint just don’t fuck with those 3 heavily. There are so many characters to change up tons and tons and do what you want. Those 3 need to be safe. Again that’s my opinion but I would wager a few other fans felt the same way.

 

[LionHeart V1]

It’s pretty simple. KAMEOS SUCK! No one wants play because of the kameo system. MK1 is a party game.

Pretty sure a lot of people are just done with NRS and their incompetence too.

 

[M2Dave]

The larger point that Crimson is making is that every fighting game community has problems with their game, but they still show up for it.

They do because their fighting games are objectively better and their publisher/developer communicates with the community.

 

[Vulgar]

They do because their fighting games are objectively better and their publisher/developer communicates with the community.

It's possible, but I only think that is a fraction of the problem.

Remember, people traveled and played Injustice 1 for money and that game is far, far more "kusoge" by modern standards than anything in MK1.

Times have changed. Flights and travel is a lot more expensive and people don't necessarily want to pack eight guys into a van and drive across state lines without a Pro Tour.

Sure, people did it before a lot of sponsors and e-sports money was involved, but that was a long time ago.

If there were more money in MK1, I think more people would travel for it. As it is now, players aren't financially motivated to do all that and take a loss.

We all did it for, "the love of the game(I myself traveled a lot during MKX), but we live in a very different and more expensive world now.

Capcom and Tekken 8 offer way more money than MK1's only Pro Tour did.

As it is now, top players make more money in the NRS scene streaming, making YouTube content and competing in online events than anything offline. Tweedy spoke about this and not traveling is simply a more practical financial move.