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ticklebandit!

Apprentice
I’m loving this character, I’m having a blast. How long until we get those nerfs and what will they be? Real talk. I don’t give a fuck about ex neck snap stuff (which is awesome). I’m just sayin…it’s not my first nrs game. I mained 24hr super buffed cutthroat kano back in mkx.
 
just_2swift

just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
ticklebandit! said:
I’m loving this character, I’m having a blast. How long until we get those nerfs and what will they be? Real talk. I don’t give a fuck about ex neck snap stuff (which is awesome). I’m just sayin…it’s not my first nrs game. I mained 24hr super buffed cutthroat kano back in mkx.
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I think he's MK1's version of MK9 Kabal. He's definitely good but requires execution to see his full potential and only a few can do that and I'm okay with it. Havik is fine
 
ForeverKlone

ForeverKlone

Noob
kabelfritz said:
tbh i dont like what they did to havik at all. this feels like a different character concept. combo routes and mixups are completely changed, db2 is omnipresent in his gameplan while other tools become situational at best and the execution barrier goes through the roof thanks to the EN neck snap "Buff". on the other hand bf2 is still high, as if that was somehow necessary. the only things that were asked for were the better armor and better air options thanks to air db4
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Same. I do not enjoy this "new" Havik. Instead of being an unorthodox character, he's just an ungabunga mixup heavy character. All the normals are still crappy and buggy af (b2 still getting stuffed, f4 inconsistent af in combos, second hit of 22 still have a hitbox smaller than Bi Han's patience, and s4 still does jack shit).
They should have touched up on his normals and make him a set up character. Like make him a setup zoner or make him controls the opponent. I played him for a few matches. He's definitely stronger, but at the same time he's just a lot more boring. Instead of getting bf1 out and doing mind games, all I'm doing is b22 into mixups.
 
just_2swift

just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
Baconlord said:
Nothing he does takes high execution. All the good havik's are already hitting everything consistently. Bad players dropping his combos is not relevant to his balance
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Nope. I disagree and hope NRS continues on this path. This "Bad players" dropping combos wasn't the point of execution.

"Nothing he do does takes high execution"

In fact the whole pretence of Havik never being a difficult character is also lunacy.

He's still slow and sluggish in the frame department which allows him to get steam rolled by any character who dominates neutral. This is why he wasn't picked or played abundantly prior to the latest expansion patch. News flash buddy he still has the same weaknesses thus, he is in fact high execution.

Not only do you have to execute neutral but make your hits count by burning every resource to TOD to which can be avoided by certain Kameos.

I just can't wait till the hysteria to dissolve about the character. Character is top tier ONLY if the player is godly. Because be real he gets steamed by the top 5 really bad and hard countered by Kameo selections.
 
Baconlord

Baconlord

Proud follower of the church of Cetrion
just_2swift said:
Nope. I disagree and hope NRS continues on this path. This "Bad players" dropping combos wasn't the point of execution.

"Nothing he do does takes high execution"

In fact the whole pretence of Havik never being a difficult character is also lunacy.

He's still slow and sluggish in the frame department which allows him to get steam rolled by any character who dominates neutral. This is why he wasn't picked or played abundantly prior to the latest expansion patch. News flash buddy he still has the same weaknesses thus, he is in fact high execution.

Not only do you have to execute neutral but make your hits count by burning every resource to TOD to which can be avoided by certain Kameos.

I just can't wait till the hysteria to dissolve about the character. Character is top tier ONLY if the player is godly. Because be real he gets steamed by the top 5 really bad and hard countered by Kameo selections.
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The character does fine in neutral. B2, d4 and sweep are all fantastic buttons. roll shuts down most zoners, he's got good projectiles, good staggers and plus frames. The character never has to spend bar so he can just save it for the TOD. He also has plenty of ways to guarantee the neck snap with his good teams. Even without the resets the character pukes damage off every hit. The character is wild right now.
 
PrinceGoro

PrinceGoro

Apprentice
Baconlord said:
Nothing he does takes high execution. All the good havik's are already hitting everything consistently. Bad players dropping his combos is not relevant to his balance
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There are indeed high execution things he does.
Specifically he has one of the hardest if not the hardest bnb in the game: variation with kano.

B(b+kameo)22xxdb1EX,dash 2,2xxbf1,micro dash f1xxbf1,block+b2(quancheezey extended range tech)xxnew low scoop,j24xxdb4(new air kick) 46%

The thing is mavado and the new buffs made the execution elements of havik a bit obsoleet,as you bypass them.
 
Baconlord

Baconlord

Proud follower of the church of Cetrion
PrinceGoro said:
There are indeed high execution things he does.
Specifically he has one of the hardest if not the hardest bnb in the game: variation with kano.

B(b+kameo)22xxdb1EX,dash 2,2xxbf1,micro dash f1xxbf1,block+b2(quancheezey extended range tech)xxnew low scoop,j24xxdb4(new air kick) 46%

The thing is mavado and the new buffs made the execution elements of havik a bit obsoleet,as you bypass them.
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I've literally never played havik seriously and I'm able to hit this combo after like 20 minutes of practice. His execution is really not that hard. And finding a hard bnb on a character's 5th best team isn't really relevant to a character's balance.
 
PrinceGoro

PrinceGoro

Apprentice
Baconlord said:
I've literally never played havik seriously and I'm able to hit this combo after like 20 minutes of practice. His execution is really not that hard. And finding a hard bnb on a character's 5th best team isn't really relevant to a character's balance.
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Point was, before easy mode extensions of db2 and new air string, if you wanted a full structure combo you had to do this for optimals.

If you can land that combo consistently then i salute you sir.

Off all the Pre patch havik gameplay from tournsments, online ,whatever else, i never saw a havik player actually keep landing this, not sure if i ever saw someone even go for the optimal path after 22 bf 1,even in other teams.
 
Baconlord

Baconlord

Proud follower of the church of Cetrion
just_2swift said:
He didn't regulate a damn thing especially since he doesn't play him seriously. His input is invalid and holds no weight.

What was downplayed?
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You don't need to main a character to recognize how good they are. I know the matchup and regularly train with one of the best Havik's in the world. And it doesn't take a havik expert to understand that guaranteed TODs are not balanced just because you have to learn a combo with reversed inputs.
 
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Vulgar

Apprentice
Baconlord said:
You don't need to main a character to recognize how good they are. I know the matchup and regularly train with one of the best Havik's in the world. And it doesn't take a havik expert to understand that guaranteed TODs are not balanced just because you have to learn a combo with reversed inputs.
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Get 'im, pa!

I remember when we used to play. But you're Hollywood now and I had to change my name to Vulgar from Rude.
 
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