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Do you really think MK2 won't sell like hot cakes when the inevitable release comes? Lol you can't possibly believe that.
I actually do.

MK11 was a peak and while many didn’t like the gameplay, you cannot deny it’s success.

So naturally people expected more with this game, and they didn’t get it tbh. The hardcore fans ain’t getting it either because lore wise they can’t seem to make a new story with the characters they have.

So yeah I will give them one more game with MK2 to kinda redeem themselves, but I do think it will sell less.

I have said it before, but I didn’t buy MK1. Once they revealed the story premise (I’m a lore guy) I said Oh, no thank you!

The complaints can only go on for so long. Bad practices eventually catch up to you.
 
I actually do.

MK11 was a peak and while many didn’t like the gameplay, you cannot deny it’s success.

So naturally people expected more with this game, and they didn’t get it tbh. The hardcore fans ain’t getting it either because lore wise they can’t seem to make a new story with the characters they have.

So yeah I will give them one more game with MK2 to kinda redeem themselves, but I do think it will sell less.

I have said it before, but I didn’t buy MK1. Once they revealed the story premise (I’m a lore guy) I said Oh, no thank you!

The complaints can only go on for so long. Bad practices eventually catch up to you.
This argument doesn't work. SF5 was a walking abomination of a game with the worst launch in history and SF6 shattered their records. I don't think sales will be an issue at all for MK, probably the one thing you shouldn't try to attack if anything lol.
 
And while this is fine,you cant igonre that men and women naturally gravitate towards different things. Is there crossover? Yes, but the same way that young boys want to play with cars and action figures, climb tress etc, while little girls want to play house, dress up as princesses and play with barbie dolls, is the same that guys want to play different types of games then women.
A lot of these are social constructs though that are constantly being reinforced. Which said reinforcement isn’t just coming from society or culture, but also from the parents themselves.
 
Right, and yea, of course it will. I would think that would be expected.



Didn't Zaslav or whatever his name is say MK1 sold like 3mil the first month alone? That would be more than any of the MK games. Haven't followed much about sales, but just from that alone I'd have to imagine sales are incredible and wouldn't really expect MK2 to be different.
The reports were nearly 3 million as of november.
 
A lot of these are social constructs though that are constantly being reinforced. Which said reinforcement isn’t just coming from society or culture, but also from the parents themselves.
But its not really a construct,its an intrinsic desire,which occurs naturally.Even though yes there is room for reinforcment by the choice of the parents which may impact the childs behaviour and so on.
 
But its not really a construct,its an intrinsic desire,which occurs naturally.Even though yes there is room for reinforcment by the choice of the parents which may impact the childs behaviour and so on.
It actually isn’t though. All of those things you listed are social constructs. There’s no “intrinsic” or “natural” desire for a boy to want to play with toy cars for instance and not a girl. Same goes for climbing things, playing with barbies/action figures, dressing up, etc etc.
 
It actually isn’t though. All of those things you listed are social constructs. There’s no “intrinsic” or “natural” desire for a boy to want to play with toy cars for instance and not a girl. Same goes for climbing things, playing with barbies/action figures, dressing up, etc etc.
Boys have more testosterone than girls - this is an undisputed biological fact - which is the hormone which stimulates male characteristics, 'traits', if you will. As a result, boys are more prone to display male behavior than girls because they are biologically inclined to do so. Male behavior traits are competition, aggressiveness, increased libido, leadership, assertiveness, etc. This doesn't mean that only men experience and chase after those traits, it simply means they are biologically 'encouraged' to do so more than women do. Women, on the other hand, due to the fact that they biologically assigned to be mothers, have feminine traits which are about nurturing, being social, adept at reading and displaying emotion, etc. because those are traits a mother needs in order to raise and handle her children. Again, this isn't something only women can display and have, but it is coded in their dna to have an affinity towards. There are always exceptions - effeminate men, tomboys, etc. - but the stereotypes exist for a reason.

It really isn't rocket science - what is baffling is this current-gen mentality of trying to prove that men and women are completely identical biologically and psychologically (spoiler warning: they're not), and trying to make one look like the other will never succeed, because biology prevents us from doing so because our DNA (despite our darnest recent efforts) is trying to ensure the procreation and perpetuation of our species.

So no, boys being psychologically inclined to play cops and robbers is not a 'social construct'. You might say (and you would be right) that psychologists - before some of them became charlatans - have noticed the pattern and advised society to double down on it (blue for boys, pink for girls, etc.) in order to make the choices more clear for the children, but this is basically society giving a little nudge, rather than brainwashing a boy into liking guns while the boy is theoretically just as likely to want to play with Barbie dolls until it's twelve years old.
 
Because he’s the last iconic movie killer left and they can’t get Michael.

Edit: There’s also chucky, but he wouldn’t work outside of an assist.
chucky would be hilarious. think baron oddjob in goldeneye n64 they could do it they just dont have the balls , only lows hit him :DOGE
 
It actually isn’t though. All of those things you listed are social constructs. There’s no “intrinsic” or “natural” desire for a boy to want to play with toy cars for instance and not a girl. Same goes for climbing things, playing with barbies/action figures, dressing up, etc etc.
This is not true at all. Humans have evolved for thousands of years now with very specific cultural behaviors that at a certain point have overlapped with biological genetic instructions. For thousands of years, men, because of their larger physical nature, are the ones who have had to hunt and protect their tribes. Hence why male kids tend to play much rougher and seem to be more willing to engage in physically dangerous activities. This is not to say that there isn't a lot of overlap and many girls prefer to play with cars/action figures while some boys prefer to play dolls, etc. But to pretend that there aren't deeply engrained biological behaviors specific to different genders is just flat out wrong.
 
It actually isn’t though. All of those things you listed are social constructs. There’s no “intrinsic” or “natural” desire for a boy to want to play with toy cars for instance and not a girl. Same goes for climbing things, playing with barbies/action figures, dressing up, etc etc.
But thats not true though.
Yes the toys and tv shows and whatnot is made up as technology has advanced,but nobody is forcing boys to disproportionally like certain things more then girls do.

You show a 100 girls spiderman, and the vast majority will be like ok who cares.Show them my little pony and they lose their shit.

I dont understand what the argument is here.
Its 100% an intrinsic desire based on the bilogical differences between a man and a women.

You dont see little girls walking through a toy store screaming daddy i want spider man, i want the darth vader toy, but you do see little boys do exactly that,and nobody is forcing them to do so.

I repeat, is there crossover? YES, but the exception proves the rule and numbers prove that.Its really not a hard concept to grasp and there is really no need to push back against the reality of differences between men and women.
 
Idk I think the current price is more than fair tbh. $50 You're essentially getting the story addon for free. Its only $2
MK11 charged $40 for their Story addon pack, and that came with half the amount of characters
As i said,50 is right there competing with triple a full priced brand new games.

Not exactly fair imo,aslo you factor in the poor launch,mtx and such and you will have people not exactly looking to spend such a premium price for a small expansion.

Its not like the story will be ungodly long with mutiple new game modes and ton of content.if im not mistake 5 chapters acorrding to leaks,thats like what 3 hours tops WITH cutscenes
 
As i said,50 is right there competing with triple a full priced brand new games.

Not exactly fair imo,aslo you factor in the poor launch,mtx and such and you will have people not exactly looking to spend such a premium price for a small expansion.

Its not like the story will be ungodly long with mutiple new game modes and ton of content.if im not mistake 5 chapters acorrding to leaks,thats like what 3 hours tops WITH cutscenes
The fact that NRS/WB in the beginning had the balls to charge us 10$ for a SKIN and 5$ for a FATALITY is insane.
 
The fact that NRS/WB in the beginning had the balls to charge us 10$ for a SKIN and 5$ for a FATALITY is insane.
It was outrages,not only the price itself but their product logic as well.

Brand new character stand alone price=8€(already on the high side for industry standards).

1skin for 1 character=10€

Launch was wild.
 
But thats not true though.
Yes the toys and tv shows and whatnot is made up as technology has advanced,but nobody is forcing boys to disproportionally like certain things more then girls do.

You show a 100 girls spiderman, and the vast majority will be like ok who cares.Show them my little pony and they lose their shit.

I dont understand what the argument is here.
Its 100% an intrinsic desire based on the bilogical differences between a man and a women.

You dont see little girls walking through a toy store screaming daddy i want spider man, i want the darth vader toy, but you do see little boys do exactly that,and nobody is forcing them to do so.

I repeat, is there crossover? YES, but the exception proves the rule and numbers prove that.Its really not a hard concept to grasp and there is really no need to push back against the reality of differences between men and women.
It is true though. And a lot of what you, @Blakfellow and @Nickolaidas said has nothing to do with anything that I said. It’s literally just unhinged strawman arguments. Like why are y’all talking about hunter gatherers and that men are physically larger than women? What does this have to do with anything that I said?

Anyway, little boys don’t intrinsically like toy cars more than little girls, it just isn’t true. There being biological differences between men and women is completely irrelevant to the discussion, lol. The fact is that everything @PrinceGoro brought up were social constructs. Just like the idea that it’s more feminine to have long hair and more masculine to have short hair. Or that pink is for girls and blue is for boys. All of these are clear examples of social constructs. It’s really fairly simple to follow what I’m saying here. This isn’t my opinion, this is just reality. ¯\(ツ)
 
It is true though. And a lot of what you, @Blakfellow and @Nickolaidas said has nothing to do with anything that I said. It’s literally just unhinged strawman arguments. Like why are y’all talking about hunter gatherers and that men are physically larger than women? What does this have to do with anything that I said?

Anyway, little boys don’t intrinsically like toy cars more than little girls, it just isn’t true. There being biological differences between men and women is completely irrelevant to the discussion, lol. The fact is that everything @PrinceGoro brought up were social constructs. Just like the idea that it’s more feminine to have long hair and more masculine to have short hair. Or that pink is for girls and blue is for boys. All of these are clear examples of social constructs. It’s really fairly simple to follow what I’m saying here. This isn’t my opinion, this is just reality. ¯\(ツ)
Ok lets make this as simple as it can be.

How many men comapred to women like spiderman?

How many men compared to women like batman?

How many men compared to women buy and play mortal kombat?

How many men compared to women like aliens vs predator?

How many men compared to women are mma fighter,boxers kickboxers?

Do i need to go on?

Thats reality,men and women are different and like/have affinity towards diffefent things,naturally on their own accord.
 
Ok lets make this as simple as it can be.

How many men comapred to women like spiderman?

How many men compared to women like batman?

How many men compared to women buy and play mortal kombat?

How many men compared to women like aliens vs predator?

How many men compared to women are mma fighter,boxers kickboxers?

Do i need to go on?
But it's not though. Boys wanting to play cowboys and indians which appeases their male instincts of conflict, chase, competitiveness and victory is not a societal construct.
Y’all keep demonstrating that you don’t know (or understand) what a social construct even is.
 
This is not true at all. Humans have evolved for thousands of years now with very specific cultural behaviors that at a certain point have overlapped with biological genetic instructions. For thousands of years, men, because of their larger physical nature, are the ones who have had to hunt and protect their tribes. Hence why male kids tend to play much rougher and seem to be more willing to engage in physically dangerous activities. This is not to say that there isn't a lot of overlap and many girls prefer to play with cars/action figures while some boys prefer to play dolls, etc. But to pretend that there aren't deeply engrained biological behaviors specific to different genders is just flat out wrong.
Source?

"I made it the fuck up!"

Please show me the, "Girls play with dolls," gene. Since you know so much about evolutionary biology.
 
But it's not though. Boys wanting to play cowboys and indians which appeases their male instincts of conflict, chase, competitiveness and victory is not a societal construct.

It's like saying that dangling a ball tied to a string in front of a cat and making her chase it is not playing into her instincts but me constructing a behavior on the cat.
Early Women Were Hunters, Not Just Gatherers, Study Suggests | Smithsonian (smithsonianmag.com)

the fact that it is nowadays a common belief (latently and unreflectedly shared by myself for a long time) that hunting and conflict are in men's but not women's genes might serve as an indicator HOW deep exactly those social constructs reach
 
When you have a bunch of guys that are unironically arguing the biological imperative of what hobbies women are allowed to enjoy, it's no wonder that women don't participate in these communities.

Yall are unbearable. Imagine you go to a tournament to play a game you like, only to sit next to any one of the unshowered people that believe these things and THEN have to justify your right to be there.

I wouldn't wanna be near y'all neither. Shit.
 
Early Women Were Hunters, Not Just Gatherers, Study Suggests | Smithsonian (smithsonianmag.com)

the fact that it is nowadays a common belief (latently and unreflectedly shared by myself for a long time) that hunting and conflict are in men's but not women's genes might serve as an indicator HOW deep exactly those social constructs reach
"In the paper, published Wednesday in the journal PLOS ONE, a team of international researchers identified 391 foraging societies across the world, from the 1800s to present day. (Scientists use modern foraging societies as a window into past human behavior, reports NPR’s Nurith Aizenman.) Of these, they obtained data on hunting from 63 societies."

So basically, in an age where wildlife is 'nerfed' and humanity possesses far better tools at hunting, we are going to look into the hunter/gatherer ratio since prehistoric times. And let's not neglect this jewel:

“The hunting was purposeful,” Wall-Scheffler tells NPR. “Women had their own tool kit. They had favorite weapons. Grandmas were the best hunters of the village.”
Yeah, I can totally see grandma Alexia going head to head with a dire wolf. Arthritis? What's that?

Also, finding one tomb of a female hunter hardly proves they were equal in number to the males.

But sure, let's take a study taken in 2020, the age of modern feminism, the age where schools teach that boys and girls are biologically identical as gospel about hunters and gatherers.

Go off, knock yourselves out.

Also the Hunter/Gatherer thing has been long since debunked.

Same with Alphas and Betas.
Lol.

Lmao, even.
 
"In the paper, published Wednesday in the journal PLOS ONE, a team of international researchers identified 391 foraging societies across the world, from the 1800s to present day. (Scientists use modern foraging societies as a window into past human behavior, reports NPR’s Nurith Aizenman.) Of these, they obtained data on hunting from 63 societies."

So basically, in an age where wildlife is 'nerfed' and humanity possesses far better tools at hunting, we are going to look into the hunter/gatherer ratio since prehistoric times. And let's not neglect this jewel:

“The hunting was purposeful,” Wall-Scheffler tells NPR. “Women had their own tool kit. They had favorite weapons. Grandmas were the best hunters of the village.”
Yeah, I can totally see grandma Alexia going head to head with a dire wolf. Arthritis? What's that?

Also, finding one tomb of a female hunter hardly proves they were equal in number to the males.

But sure, let's take a study taken in 2020, the age of modern feminism, the age where schools teach that boys and girls are biologically identical as gospel about hunters and gatherers.

Go off, knock yourselves out.
1. better? sources are marked and just one click away in the text.

The Myth of Man the Hunter: Women’s contribution to the hunt across ethnographic contexts | PLOS ONE

One of the most prominent discoveries recently includes a 9,000 year old burial located in the Andean highland area of Wilamaya Patjxa in Peru [9]. The burial included an adult female alongside a hunting toolkit consisting of stone projectiles as well as animal processing equipment [9]. Researchers typically presume that stone projectiles buried alongside males are hunting tools but are less persuaded when projectiles are associated with females; the specific assemblage clearly evidenced hunting in this case. In their own review of the literature, Haas et al. [9] examined burials in the Americas from the Late Pleistocene to the Early Holocene period, identifying eleven females from ten sites who were associated with big-game hunting tools. By using a probability analysis of all twenty-seven sites which had evidence of big-game hunting, Haas et al. determined that females made up a “nontrivial” amount of big-game hunters across the Americas [9]. In fact, their analysis suggested that females represented up to fifty percent of big game hunters from the Americas prehistorically.

In addition to tools generally associated with big-game hunting being conferred to males, tools associated with warfare are also consistently assumed to occupy burials of males [10]. In 2017, a well-known burial in Sweden revealed an individual alongside weapons and equipment associated with high-ranking Viking warriors [11]. The individual was assumed to be male considering the historical interpretation of the prevalence of male warriors, but genomics confirmed that the individual was a female. In addition, archaeologists discovered a 2,500 year old burial site that contained four females associated with weapons and warrior equipment [12]. The age of the females ranged from 12 or 13 years old to 40 to 50 years old and were believed to be a part of the nomadic group known as Scythians [12]. Scythian women were warriors in their culture as supported by the fact that one-third of the females in this society were buried with weapons [12]. The purpose of these anecdotes is two-fold. Firstly, researcher bias shapes science’s interpretation of data, and it behooves each generation of scientists to ensure that paradigms fit the existing data. Secondly, the number of anecdotes on females taking up weapons and tools interpreted as “violent” is extensive across time as well as space [13, 14], making such examples more of a pattern of female behavior than anecdotal [10].
2. quotes like "wildlife was nerfed" (especially in the circumstances of the examined societies) and the dismissal of a study as "feministic", therefore biased, do not contribute to a rational discourse at all.
 
Quite an exhaustive discussion going on, not sure if I should encourage you to produce more posts but one thing is certain here. In the end, no matter what will be said, you will stay on the opposite sides of the barricade and you will not change your minds. Whatever arguments the other side will have, it wont happen. People dont tend to change their minds on such topics. Even if they understand, or trying to understand, others pov.

I'm leaning more towards Nicko's view here but that's a sidenote and anyone who recognizes my previous posts should already know that.

Back on topic, kinda... I just decided I will treat both new cyborg ladies as brand new MK characters. They are not THE Cyrax and THE Sektor of this timeline, in my book. Just some random chicks that happen to join Lin Keui this time and wear ironmanlike suits. And I will give them both different codenames in my headcanon. They can be somehow related to the original Sektor and Cyrax but they will never replace them 1:1. Just as Kate Bishop will never replace Hawkeye 1:1 and Ironheart will never fully replace Iron Man. You get the point.

There was a crazy idea by one of the users few pages back, that their suits are created out of original cyborgs. I'm backing this up. However Im still missing the OG ketchup and mustard, I would accept that.

Nevertheless, it is still crazy for me why they didnt just follow that route of current C&S being completely new characters with different colors and codenames. It would make sense, it would sell anyways and diehard fans would somehow be calmed. Plus they have so many women in MK lore, so many possibilities are just lying there undiscovered but ready to be picked up. Why messing up something that's already well established just for the sake of messing. I really dont get that.

Whole story should move forward after MKX, despite I still feel that MKX story was bad, it was at least a step into a right direction, not retelling the same thing over and over and could be a solid ground for future world building on the well known basics. Back to the future/multiverse bullshit ruined the MK story ans MK world completely IMO.