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Briggsfan

Briggsfan

Apprentice
Temptress said:
Isn’t it strange how the only people who seem to be in favour of the retcon and dismissive of those expressing their frustrations are either people who have never cared about the character or Gen Z twinks who think that being insufferable on the internet makes them interesting. Tragic.
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You say that as if us older generations didn't invent being insufferable on the Internet.

Anyway, i don't see what their generation has to do with their opinion. We can disagree with them without making comments like that.
 
HeavyNorse

HeavyNorse

#BlackLivesMatter
They got a few things wrong (Jerrod's name, and saying at one point the retcon was in MKX), but otherwise the heart is in the right place.

https://www.cbr.com/mortal-kombat-11-queen-sindel-retcon/

Mortal Kombat 11's Sindel Retcon Is a Franchise Injustice

With the first Kombat Pack for Mortal Kombat 11 including Queen Sindel, fans of the older installments immediately went into euphoria after seeing another face from Mortal Kombat 3 appear. Sindel, known for her banshee screams and hair-whips, rose to prominence in the game during the '90s, mostly due to her emotional connection as the mother of Princess Kitana. It added drama to the Edenian realm that aways fell to invasion from Outworld.

However, Mortal Kombat 11 has made a massive retcon to Sindel, one that doesn't just do the character an injustice, but the entire franchise as a whole.

In the original story, Sindel ruled alongside King Jarod before Shao Kahn's invading forces took over in MK3. The king was killed and Sindel, an unwilling bride, committed suicide only for Kahn and Shang Tsung to resurrect her as a mindless revenant and consort. Sindel became a brainwashed villain. This event led to Kitana fighting to save her mother's soul. It wasn't just about her and her allies trying to free Edenia anymore, but it became about the basic human instinct of a daughter trying to free someone that mattered deeply to her in a time of unending war.

The 2011 reboot would tweak things slightly with Shinnok and Quan Chi resurrecting Sindel but now, MKX's latest retcon undoes the good of Sindel and takes away not just her potential arc of redemption and the overall heartbeat of the character, but the mission of rescue and salvation that drove Kitana when it came to the fallen queen. When the official description for the character dropped, in addition to how Nightwolf -- one of her biggest enemies in the early games -- banters with Sindel in her first gameplay trailer, it's clear she was always evil, nullifying any part of her soul worth saving.

"The former Queen of Edenia will stop at nothing to keep her place. When threatened with the loss of her throne when Shao Kahn conquered her realm, Sindel betrayed her husband, and her people, to keep her privileged position," the official description stated. "Now Shao Khan's wife and Queen of the Outerworld, she enjoys power and wealth beyond most people's imagination. Good luck to anyone who tries to take it from her."

Obviously, there's no bringing her back from the dark side, which was one of Kitana's most intriguing ambitions. She compromised the main objective at times and was even willing to put aside her duties as a princess just to save Sindel, which even dropped her into conflict with Raiden, Liu Kang and other key stakeholders who felt that they couldn't lose sight of the big goal. But by removing this factor, Sindel's just a soulless, run-of-the-mill thug who craves power and control. In other words, she's no different from Kahn, Quan Chi, Shinnok, Motaro or Goro, and becomes totally one-dimensional.

Again, that sliver of hope made her and Kitana's dynamic all the more rich, similar to Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader in the Star Wars Universe, creating an emotional turmoil that just couldn't be extracted from other characters. Sindel's salvation made Kitana better-rounded, and it also gave Jade a purpose as someone who wanted to honor her queen and the sinister Tanya purpose as someone who wanted to be the next Sindel on the throne. This move, though, doesn't inspire any of these femme fatales to greatness because there's just no nuance to a crooked wife who somehow ignores years of being a mother and wife just to be with a masked man with a big hammer. It's a flat retcon that takes interest away from the Game of Thrones-like story surrounding Edenia and doesn't stroke any fire of optimism for Kitana and her feud with mommy dearest. Fighting to bring Sindel back to the light felt more attractive than just beating down a traitor, so by downgrading Sindel, Ed Boon and Co. did the same for Kitana as well, which is sad because this inspired the princess to become one of the most iconic faces in the series.
 
MKF30

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
@HeavyNorse I just realized something, her new retcon gives off annihilation vibes except for her ending. The ending of that movie with her actually made more sense lol.


Raider said:
Anyone else gettng some Enchantress vibes from her gameplay? I watched one gameplay video and some of her moves really gave me Enchantress vibes and reminded me of her Injustice 2 moves.
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I thought her air projectile with 3 shots reminded me of Starfire a little bit in her zoney variation. I dont remember much about enchantress tbh.
 
Temptress

Temptress

Edenian Empress
Briggsfan said:
You say that as if us older generations didn't invent being insufferable on the Internet.

Anyway, i don't see what their generation has to do with their opinion. We can disagree with them without making comments like that.
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I’m 22 and I was insinuating that they and the unwashed hoards of Mileena stans on Twitter are one and the same: insufferable.
 
Damis

Damis

Noob
you all should be grateful that sindel is in the game, and shes SO gorgeous and incredible, they gave her all legacy moves - besides normal fireball - they made her JUSTICE.
tanya and mileena are both my fave characters after jade, and i know that neither will be in mk11, i just accepted that and im ok with that. sindel got her chance and shes FUCKING STUNNIN GURL
 
fluffybunbunkittens

fluffybunbunkittens

Apprentice
I'm most curious in whether variation 2 is dependant on just jumpins to get things going. The other two variations seem pretty simple in what to expect.
 
Zviko

Zviko

Warrior
Maybe I missed this but can you amplify air banshee on whiff as well so you can use it as raw tp? And if yes, can you still do an air attack/float after?
 
Vhozite

Vhozite

Waiting on SF6
fluffybunbunkittens said:
Purple is something mostly supervillains wear.
White hair with a skunk streak.
Bitchy pose.

... yeah, I see those elements, and I can tell she's not supposed to be one of the good guys.
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I have no dogs in this fight but the color purple has been associated with royalty and power for literal centuries before super villains were a thing.

www.history.com

Why is Purple Considered the Color of Royalty? | HISTORY

The original dye was prized because of supply and demand: It came from the mucous of an exceedingly rare sea snail shell.
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To me she just looks confident in that picture, or maybe a bit over confident and arrogant. But not necessarily evil imo
 
Espio

Espio

Kokomo
Sindel definitely doesn't look evil in that depiction. She looks like a confident haughty ruler. She looks like how I'd imagine most royals are in regards to common folk. Almost as if she's above these fisticuffs.

As for the gameplay aspects, as a Blue Beetle main in Injustice 2 I'm super intrigued by her second variation with all the jump arc changes, the ghost/banshee teleport movement and changing her arcs and dashing around the screen. That looks cool as hell.

I may keep it simple with her zoning variation though depending on what that's working with overall. I feel like the zoning variation could be more polarized than her high mobility variation though because it seems like low projectile is the heart of that variation whereas the other seems like it's more multi-purpose innovation. Those are the two I'd use honestly. I just hope the less exciting "combo variation" isn't the go to again like it was for Nightwolf (granted I actually like Matokan warrior).
 
BowTheDeceitful

BowTheDeceitful

Vampire
HeavyNorse said:
Funny how you make a post ranting about this, asking people to leave it be... and then make a SECOND post right after, continuing the ranting. XD

Maybe take your own advice and...

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Except my "rant" was all about being positive that shes playable, looks gorgeous and looks to have a fun play style... but sure :))
 
HeavyNorse

HeavyNorse

#BlackLivesMatter
BowTheDeceitful said:
Except my "rant" was all about being positive that shes playable, looks gorgeous and looks to have a fun play style... but sure :))
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I mean, you could've written it in the same post instead of double-posting. And even if you had already posted the first one, there's an edit button you can use to go in and add the rest you wanted to say. Just a tip for future reference, when need be. ♥

I agree with those positive bits though. But not gonna just magically change my opinion or let things go, just because some rando on the internet for some reason can't stand when others point out negative things about something they like.

Feel free to ignore me and others discussing this matter, if that makes you happier. I can't speak on others' behalves, but I'm not trying to stomp on anyone's excitement for Sindel. That's not the point I'm trying to make. I am sharing my opinion to make conversation, to start a discussion on the topic at hand, maybe find others who share said opinion and find out why this happened to begin with.

So when someone goes "Just shut up, let it go, don't talk about that!" I'm not going to comply as long there's something to talk about.
But again, feel free to push that block button so you won't have to look at it. But sorry... you're not going to shut me up.
 
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