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Why Liu Kang Is Broken: A Breakdown

exflyingbooty

This dream has a sad ending
Lol I can’t believe how much some of you are complaining about Liu Kang.

Bat girl/Mmh, kabal/kenshi, catwoman, prepatch Tanya/alíen were all waaaaaaaaaaay better than Liu Kang in their respective games
There was enough bullshit to usually feel like you could do things against them. It's not so much as liu kang is "broken" but when you're a jack of all trades and master of nearly all and you have a character who has to use subpar strings and grabs to win it's a lot more of an issue.
 

HiddenSelectCounterPick

Crossplay Username: ProbablyMinus
I like to differentiate jax and lui. It's TRUE jax turns into lui with heated arms however heat is a resource that you have to manage. Agaisnt a jax with max heat theres a couple options that you clearly steer away from. I know 90% of the time heated jax wants to forward throw or one of his overhead options you can game plan that. For me that's the distinction, lui is lui kinda potato jax you can play a sound prevent on
Not everyone is playing HD....GB is fine...
 

dungeonsector

AI Fighter
I gotta be honest I don't understand why people get so up in arms about this kind of shit. I use Nightwolf and if play extremely patiently and smart and watch my opponent I have really good matches against LK. I have yet to feel completely helpless like people on her seem to.
I agree, I don't feel nearly as much pressure as other people on here do. People are saying things like, "Even if you play perfectly, you still get outplayed." I play Buzzed D'vorah (so I have to deal with all his zoning, and have no fast mids), and although I do see that Liu Kang is better than other characters, it's not some major switch of mindset that I'm doing to play against Liu Kang. In my personal experience on KL, even at high ranks like Demi-God and God, I honestly don't care when I get matched up against Liu Kang. He's nothing compared how it felt to play the pre-patch top tiers. People say that he's in a whole tier of his own, way better than every character in this game, but when you think about it, every character in this game are really close in tiers. I'm not saying "Liu Kang is fine", but I really don't think he's broken or outrageously good to the level on what I hear people say.
 

xKMMx

Banned
I agree, I don't feel nearly as much pressure as other people on here do. People are saying things like, "Even if you play perfectly, you still get outplayed." I play Buzzed D'vorah (so I have to deal with all his zoning, and have no fast mids), and although I do see that Liu Kang is better than other characters, it's not some major switch of mindset that I'm doing to play against Liu Kang. In my personal experience on KL, even at high ranks like Demi-God and God, I honestly don't care when I get matched up against Liu Kang. He's nothing compared how it felt to play the pre-patch top tiers. People say that he's in a whole tier of his own, way better than every character in this game, but when you think about it, every character in this game are really close in tiers. I'm not saying "Liu Kang is fine", but I really don't think he's broken or outrageously good to the level on what I hear people say.
THe thing is that most players are going to show you in round 1 their entire tool kit with LK. They go HAM with F4 and show you a pattern. You still have to be ready and you still have to play smart but its not a situation where when you play a better game he is going to demolish you no matter what.
 
Scar once again slam big on Liu Kang:

He is f* right. This character doesnt deserve mercy. I hope NRS slams him to the ground, so Liu Kang player feel what the rest of the cast feel when they played him for so long.

Look at this Grand Finale for Destroyer Open Qualifer:
6:15:45

The second round between Night Wolf and Kang was a f** joke and show how broken this character is, the moment he start pressuring you.
 
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Anyone that plays Lui Kang could blend in at a flat earther rally.

He's oppressive as hell, and why does he have a fast mid starter advancing string that ends in mixups and staggers into plus frames? What on earth NRS.
 
I gotta be honest I don't understand why people get so up in arms about this kind of shit. I use Nightwolf and if play extremely patiently and smart and watch my opponent I have really good matches against LK. I have yet to feel completely helpless like people on her seem to.
"I play the second best character in the game and almost have an even matchup against kang"
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
Scar once again slam big on Liu Kang:

He is f* right. This character doesnt deserve mercy. I hope NRS slams him to the ground, so Liu Kang player feel what the rest of the cast feel when they played him for so long.

Look at this Grand Finale for Destroyer Open Qualifer:
6:15:45

The second round between Night Wolf and Kang was a f** joke and show how broken this character is, the moment he start pressuring you.
Bro you seem to pick and choose parts of what the pros say to suit your agenda. Scar complains and you throw it up like it's gospel but sonic says JC is a 7 - 3 against liu and he must be joking.
 
NaCl man, go watch the other thread Deoxys tier list. I first said and post what SonicFox said about that matchup and asked what people think about that. And just check SonicFox tweet. No one knows if he was serious or not.
Scar is complaing about Kang for a long time.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
It was just 1 tweet from SonicFox and no one knows if this tweet is serious, because of the way its written.
Even if SonicFox thinks like that, its one guy who thinks like that and we will understand if he can beat Kang player in the upcoming tournaments with Cage.
So far SonicFox himseld said Kang is a problem and searching character to counter/beat Kang. Which shows you how much of a problem Kang is.
this is from that thread. I might be reading this wrong but you use an example of sonic saying something you don't believe the 7-3 JC match up so he must be joking and then you talk about how he says kang is a problem which you say shows how much of a problem kang is?
 
SonicFox also said Johnny Cage is the man to counter Liu Kang, what you guy think ?
I think high damage character have bigger chance against Kang, compare to character like Jade or Dvorah with small damage and you need to open him like 10 times, which you will need to totally outplay him in order to beat him.
I think Baraka is one of the characters that have good chances against Kang.
This is my first post in the Deoxys tier list thread about what SonicFox tweet. I said it first.
You can go out and check. Thanks.
And yes i dont agree with SonicFox on that topic, whether he was serious or not.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
This is my first post in the Deoxys tier list thread about what SonicFox tweet. I said it first.
You can go out and check. Thanks.
And yes i dont agree with SonicFox on that topic, whether he was serious or not.
But you agree with him when he says kang is a problem. That seems like you are taking parts of what he has said to suit your agenda.
 

Toruko61

Noob
well how many flying dragon kick kbs did u see pro play?

how many parry kbs did u see pro play? pro lk players don´t even use parry most of the time as a misread could lead to a big punish.

d2 kb is available to every1.

so is one throw kb, i think. (nrs can take one away. big deal)

bicycle kb has to be loaded two to three times with three bars. if u ex it twice in a combo the value of one bar is diminished because of the really low dmg increase.
the difference between a combo with a normal bicycle kick and a kb bicycle kick is around 18%, as much as i know.
if u also take into account that u could do 3 ex flying kicks + 1 normal flying kick/bicycle instead, the dmg gain of the kb bicycle is further marginalized.

ofc there are fighters with worse kbs, but there are also fighters with better ones.

liu kangs big dmg comes from his f333 launcher outside of kbs. good luck hitting it, not getting punished for it and not screwing it up by cancelling into stance, cause u didn´t expect connecting it.
 
But you agree with him when he says kang is a problem. That seems like you are taking parts of what he has said to suit your agenda.
Or maybe i have opinion on the topic and can agree with some of SonicFox or any other Pro player and disagree on something i dont think its true, like Cage - Kang being 7-3 ?
If you check my post history i said Liu is top tier from the very begining and i did not agree with SonicFox first tier list.
At the end of the day everyone have their view, right ?

Toruko61, no other character in the whole roster land so many KBs and FBs every set. No one come close to Kang in this department.
And you main Kang and dont know that he have 2 KBs on his throws ....
Both parry and Flying Dragon Kick are very possible to land, tho yeah they are not 100% consistent, compare to his 2x throw, Bicycle kick and his F4, that obviously land every single set. But what parry do is litteraly remove the wakeup from your opponent entirely, which is a big, big deal. Right there you have something broken with this character.


And tell me a character who lands his KB more often than Liu ? And Kang have one of the best corner damage, and with that character its not hard to put your opponent into the corner.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
Or maybe i have opinion on the topic and can agree with some of SonicFox or any other Pro player and disagree on something i dont think its true, like Cage - Kang being 7-3 ?
If you check my post history i said Liu is top tier from the very begining and i did not agree with SonicFox first tier list.
At the end of the day everyone have their view, right ?

Toruko61, no other character in the whole roster land so many KBs and FBs every set. No one come close to Kang in this department.
And you main Kang and dont know that he have 2 KBs on his throws ....
Both parry and Flying Dragon Kick are very possible to land, tho yeah they are not 100% consistent, compare to his 2x throw, Bicycle kick and his F4, that obviously land every single set. But what parry do is litteraly remove the wakeup from your opponent entirely, which is a big, big deal. Right there you have something broken with this character.


And tell me a character who lands his KB more often than Liu ? And Kang have one of the best corner damage, and with that character its not hard to put your opponent into the corner.
yeah it's the way you use quotes it looks the way I have said. As a bit of an outsider with this game and seeing the ways JC can punish alot of kangs bs it looks like he could at least take out the brain dead kang players and I look forward to see what sonic can do with him.

KB fly kick is good. It does catch things like jades glow and if I remember correctly you get the KB off an air to air fire ball into fly kick so I agree with you there.
 
I also want to see how SonicFox deals with Kang player, and mostly ninjakilla, but i dont put much faith into JC deal with Kang well.
As i said Kombat, who is hands down best JC player pick Scorpion(earlier) and Baraka against Kang player, see him play Geras too, but he doesnt pick Johnny Cage against Liu Kang.
 
I also want to see how SonicFox deals with Kang player, and mostly ninjakilla, but i dont put much faith into JC deal with Kang well.
As i said Kombat, who is hands down best JC player pick Scorpion(earlier) and Baraka against Kang player, see him play Geras too, but he doesnt pick Johnny Cage against Liu Kang.
JC vs Kang is a 7-3 matchup bro just leave it be. EVERYONE here knows cage has better tools, a fast advancing hit confirmable, staggerable mid and better, variable fireballs that can be used to stagger.

You're complaining about Kang's staggers? Well guess what, JC can stagger ANY string with +7 EVEN ON BLOCK if he Fatal Blow cancels it, you're down playing Johnny lmao
 
Every second player use Kang and beat more skilled player. You pick Kang and suddenly your level goes up ....
And again life leads again this characters means nothing. His KBs and FB are always ready to go when you need them.
Every comeback is possible. When the game is close, Liu is always going to have huge advantage because he has the best and fastest string ING. He always going to beat you to the punch.