Who is the most down played character?

[Marlow]

and have no decent mids in the most poke mashy nrs game ever.

Isn't his D4 pretty solid?

 

[HeavyNorse]

Dimitri Vegas' Sub-Zero.

 

[jcbowie]

He lets his anger get the best of him sometimes, but I've yet to see somebody refute his points.

What "points?" He just repeated the frame data I explained to him and then reacted like I was crazy for thinking that constant safety is a good thing. Like because you can't 100% guarantee Johnny's entire movelist with a f3,4,4 somehow means that the move is terrible. Also, apparently, plus frames ALSO aren't real unless you can guarantee your character's entire movelist with them. Not understanding what a "gap" is in pressure, also admitting that it's a game of staggers but acting like -2 is terrible even though you have cancels and that string has a natural followup. This is bum logic.

Not a single person in this thread has said anything to the tune of "Johnny Cage is the toppest of top tier," and yet we have folks jumping in here to whine that that's what's happening. Reread the title of this thread guys, it's not "Johnny Cage Tier Discussion," it's a thread specifically to about who's the most downplayed character, and y'all come in here basically just to confirm that it's your own character.

 

[SwiftEagle]

What "points?" He just repeated the frame data I explained to him and then reacted like I was crazy for thinking that constant safety is a good thing. Like because you can't 100% guarantee Johnny's entire movelist with a f3,4,4 somehow means that the move is terrible. Also, apparently, plus frames ALSO aren't real unless you can guarantee your character's entire movelist with them. Not understanding what a "gap" is in pressure, also admitting that it's a game of staggers but acting like -2 is terrible even though you have cancels and that string has a natural followup. This is bum logic.

Not a single person in this thread has said anything to the tune of "Johnny Cage is the toppest of top tier," and yet we have folks jumping in here to whine that that's what's happening. Reread the title of this thread guys, it's not "Johnny Cage Tier Discussion," it's a thread specifically to about who's the most downplayed character, and y'all come in here basically just to confirm that it's your own character.

Like I said; mentioning hitboxes and non-viable crushing blows isn't downplaying. I never said he was a bad character either. Which characters do you use by the way?

 

[Rodney Quillz]

What "points?" He just repeated the frame data I explained to him and then reacted like I was crazy for thinking that constant safety is a good thing. Like because you can't 100% guarantee Johnny's entire movelist with a f3,4,4 somehow means that the move is terrible. Also, apparently, plus frames ALSO aren't real unless you can guarantee your character's entire movelist with them. Not understanding what a "gap" is in pressure, also admitting that it's a game of staggers but acting like -2 is terrible even though you have cancels and that string has a natural followup. This is bum logic.

Not a single person in this thread has said anything to the tune of "Johnny Cage is the toppest of top tier," and yet we have folks jumping in here to whine that that's what's happening. Reread the title of this thread guys, it's not "Johnny Cage Tier Discussion," it's a thread specifically to about who's the most downplayed character, and y'all come in here basically just to confirm that it's your own character.

Yes but this thread was obviously made with the intention of getting people tilted and somehow you are shocked that people are titled.

Goon logic

 

[jcbowie]

Yes but this thread was obviously made with the intention of getting people tilted and somehow you are shocked that people are titled.

Goon logic

People are calling the character downplayed, not supremely dominant. How about we be tilted about reasons that are real instead of reasons that are imagined.

Goon logic.

 

[GLoRToR]

What "points?" He just repeated the frame data I explained to him and then reacted like I was crazy for thinking that constant safety is a good thing. Like because you can't 100% guarantee Johnny's entire movelist with a f3,4,4 somehow means that the move is terrible. Also, apparently, plus frames ALSO aren't real unless you can guarantee your character's entire movelist with them. Not understanding what a "gap" is in pressure, also admitting that it's a game of staggers but acting like -2 is terrible even though you have cancels and that string has a natural followup. This is bum logic.

Not a single person in this thread has said anything to the tune of "Johnny Cage is the toppest of top tier," and yet we have folks jumping in here to whine that that's what's happening. Reread the title of this thread guys, it's not "Johnny Cage Tier Discussion," it's a thread specifically to about who's the most downplayed character, and y'all come in here basically just to confirm that it's your own character.

I think what's happening is Johnny is an honest, decent character and his players aren't used to having to put in work.
For as long as I can remember this character has been punishing the opponent for blocking correctly and fucking irritating to fight against if you aren't top tier. That's changed and while his tools are solid, he lacks the complete utter bullshit that he had for the past 10 years.
We have Geras now so it's fine.

 

[jcbowie]

Like I said; mentioning hitboxes and non-viable crushing blows isn't downplaying. I never said he was a bad character either. Which characters do you use by the way?

You're right, but coming into a discussion of how a character is constantly bemoaned despite his strengths, and then doing exactly that is downplaying by definition. Didn't mean to accuse you of downplaying, but come on man, you gotta admit this guy's got no real actual reason Johnny's bad besides block pressure inconsistencies with one single move.

Haven't settled into a character, playing D'Vorah now and loving her but who knows I'm loving AG Nightwolf too.

 

[Rodney Quillz]

People are calling the character downplayed, not supremely dominant. How about we be tilted about reasons that are real instead of reasons that are imagined.

Good logic.

People are calling these characters downplayed and essentially dissing the players who play them lol

Why not just leave it at the first option? I’m fairly certain people were shitting on the jade and cage community’s far before their respective brigades got here and got their panties in a bunch.

Again goon logic

 

[SwiftEagle]

I think what's happening is Johnny is an honest, decent character and his players aren't used to having to put in work.
For as long as I can remember this character has been punishing the opponent for blocking correctly and fucking irritating to fight against if you aren't top tier. That's changed and while his tools are solid, he lacks the complete utter bullshit that he had for the past 10 years.
We have Geras now so it's fine.

For as long as I can remember Johnny Cage never had some gay ass teleport, 50/50s, or a stun move. He's one of the only true fighters in the game. He was only A tier in the last game if you were good with him. You're all mad because you all got your shit pushed against A list players in MKX. He was nerfed 4 different times and you're still mad. He takes even more skill to use now that he doesn't even have an overhead and mad highs on top of that. There's a massive pile shit that certain characters can dish out at whim, but you're mad at Johnny still. At least Johnny actually fights legitimately on the ground, like Kano and few others. How about you guys just simply fight instead of jumping around the map like jackasses, abusing teleports, pokes, and projectiles? That's how the 2d fighter playerbase is unfortunately. And why your games always die within a year or two.
It's funny how I can beat you all at your own game without bs mechanics like crushing blows or fatal blows.

I think what's happening is Johnny is an honest, decent character and his players aren't used to having to put in work.
For as long as I can remember this character has been punishing the opponent for blocking correctly and fucking irritating to fight against if you aren't top tier. That's changed and while his tools are solid, he lacks the complete utter bullshit that he had for the past 10 years.
We have Geras now so it's fine.

put in work

For as long as I can remember Johnny Cage never had some stupid ass, anti neutral teleport, 50/50s, or a stun move. He's one of the only true fighters in the series. He was only A tier in the last game if you were good with him. You're all mad because you all got your shit pushed against A list players in MKX. He was nerfed 4 different times and you're still mad. There's a massive pile shit that certain characters can dish out at whim, but you're mad at Johnny still. At least Johnny actually fights legitimately on the ground, like Kano and a few others. How about you guys just simply fight instead of jumping around the map like jackasses, abusing teleports, pokes, and projectiles? That's how the 2d fighter playerbase is unfortunately. And why your games always die within a year or two.
It's funny how I can beat you all at your own game without bs mechanics like crushing blows or fatal blows. I'll just enjoy it while it lasts.

You're right, but coming into a discussion of how a character is constantly bemoaned despite his strengths, and then doing exactly that is downplaying by definition. Didn't mean to accuse you of downplaying, but come on man, you gotta admit this guy's got no real actual reason Johnny's bad besides block pressure inconsistencies with one single move.

Haven't settled into a character, playing D'Vorah now and loving her but who knows I'm loving AG Nightwolf too.

People mention his force balls all the time because that's the only move that keeps the other guy blocking. Almost everything can be neutral ducked and poked out of. Instead of adapting and whiff punishing like you're supposed to in this game a lot of people just call him a shit character, which isn't true at all. Also, Nightwolf has some of the coolest looking moves in the game.

 

[lionheart21]

Well I thought that way too until I kept grinding out matches with him. He's supposed to be at mid range with fisticuffs, then dash cancelling his normals. I win way more than I lose nowadays since I've been playing back. He's not supposed to be constantly in your face like Jacqui like others have said. Almost every character in the game can't challenge him at mid range.
Still a major pain in ass when you can't land that second force ball though. I don't know how good he is with Cage. I wish more guys here would friend each other so we could learn. I know most of you have Ps4 though. I'm getting one soon. I just hope it's not too much of a difference since the controllers are a lot different.

There ya go, man, you get it.

@M.D. does have a valid complaint, no question, but Forceballs are just one part of Johnny's gameplan, not the be-all, end-all. His shimmy game is solid, his anti-airs are solid. He's not a pressure character in this game, he's a footsies character. If you're constantly in your opponents face like I used to be in the first few weeks of the game, you're gonna get wrecked, and I did.

He may take more skill to win than other characters, but I don't want an easy win. If I wanted an easy win, I'd play Sonya or Erron Black. What I want is a learning experience. Winning as Johnny means you earned it by being better, and that's what makes you a better player overall.

 

[GLoRToR]

For as long as I can remember Johnny Cage never had some gay ass teleport, 50/50s, or a stun move.

I'm pretty sure he had both an overhead and a low in mkx. But yeah, he's never been a mixup character. Also what's wrong with gay? Why are you so angry?
The character was always plus on block and had crazy advancing mids into restands and gigantic damage so just because you listed some things you seem to dislike about fighting games, he's still always been dumb and now he's honest. Which is why he's downplayed.

He's one of the only true fighters in the game. He was only A tier in the last game if you were good with him.

Tear lists don't concern me. I'm literally talking about the fact that he used to be stupid and now he's honest.

You're all mad because you all got your shit pushed against A list players in MKX. He was nerfed 4 different times and you're still mad. He takes even more skill to use now that he doesn't even have an overhead and mad highs on top of that. There's a massive pile shit that certain characters can dish out at whim, but you're mad at Johnny still. At least Johnny actually fights legitimately on the ground, like Kano and few others. How about you guys just simply fight instead of jumping around the map like jackasses, abusing teleports, pokes, and projectiles? That's how the 2d fighter playerbase is unfortunately. And why your games always die within a year or two.

I don't know who you're grouping me with but I'm not with them.

 

[lionheart21]

In my opinion, everybody on this site should be forced to link their gamertag or PSN with their records exposed. That way everybody is out in the open and we can see who exactly is spewing "lol get good" or "the game is balanced" comments. They do this on Waypoint which is great. And lo and behold, it's always the bad the players arguing for broken mechanics and defending bad game design.

Even though it can give an idea about the skill of a player,a win-loss record is not the be-all, end-all since that can't tell you if the games were close, or if they were a total wash.

My record isn't all that great, but that was because in the beginning, I wasn't all that great and even now I struggle and occasionally fall back into bad habits. But I also know that I'm better now than I was then, and I continue to improve because I am constantly exposed to players that are either at or above my level. Not exactly good for my record, but that doesn't matter as much to me as improvement does. I don't fear losses, because if I lost, I was beaten by a better player and I learn from my losses. I'm the type of player that loses and then can tell what caused me to lose instead of making excuses for my loss.

 

[SwiftEagle]

I'm pretty sure he had both an overhead and a low in mkx. But yeah, he's never been a mixup character. Also what's wrong with gay? Why are you so angry?
The character was always plus on block and had crazy advancing mids into restands and gigantic damage so just because you listed some things you seem to dislike about fighting games, he's still always been dumb and now he's honest. Which is why he's downplayed.


Tear lists don't concern me. I'm literally talking about the fact that he used to be stupid and now he's honest.


I don't know who you're grouping me with but I'm not with them.

1. Nobody insulted gays
2. I'm not angry, I'm calm as hell
3. Almost everybody had crazy mixups in MKX, and Cage wasn't the only character with cancels
4. I didn't downplay Cage in this game
5. Complaining about hitboxes and crushing blows isn't downplaying
6. I'm not attacking you personally
7. Not playing well against certain characters doesn't make them any better
8. Regarding Cage's restand nutpunch, cancels and F3s in MKX, you had to be good to consistently pull that off. It took me 3 months to get it down.
9. Cage is not a bad character in MK11
10. Forgive my double posting because my phone is shit.

 

[SwiftEagle]

Even though it can give an idea about the skill of a player,a win-loss record is not the be-all, end-all since that can't tell you if the games were close, or if they were a total wash.

My record isn't all that great, but that was because in the beginning, I wasn't all that great and even now I struggle and occasionally fall back into bad habits. But I also know that I'm better now than I was then, and I continue to improve because I am constantly exposed to players that are either at or above my level. Not exactly good for my record, but that doesn't matter as much to me as improvement does. I don't fear losses, because if I lost, I was beaten by a better player and I learn from my losses. I'm the type of player that loses and then can tell what caused me to lose instead of making excuses for my loss.

I'm not advocating stat shaming as it's stupid and illogical regardless of the game. Just be because someone is bad doesn't make his opinion any less valid. But what does your intuition tell you about tryhards and pocket players being the ones to tell others to stop downplaying.
I'm also not denying that people do downplay Cage. I used to be one of them.

 

[Evil Canadian]

I'm not angry, I'm calm as hell

 

[TyCarter35]

Something tells me a ft5 grudge match is gonna happen on this thread sooner or later

 

[AK Harold]

I don't understand why it has to be a grudge match. People here should be playing each other constantly if they are really wanting to advance their game. Most people just Dodge here and hide. Like I don't care if you are better or worse, for people that want to get good you have to play at multiple levels.

There are literally a handful of players here that are willing to actually grind a match up or lab here when the vast majority of the posters just vehemently post about bullshit. Then when asked for games is always one excuse or another. I literally just want to play people here because I assume y'all aren't on WiFi and you have some understanding of how to play.

 

[SwiftEagle]

I don't understand why it has to be a grudge match. People here should be playing each other constantly if they are really wanting to advance their game. Most people just Dodge here and hide. Like I don't care if you are better or worse, for people that want to get good you have to play at multiple levels.

There are literally a handful of players here that are willing to actually grind a match up or lab here when the vast majority of the posters just vehemently post about bullshit. Then when asked for games is always one excuse or another. I literally just want to play people here because I assume y'all aren't on WiFi and you have some understanding of how to play.

I'll fight anyone or you.

 

[AK Harold]

PSN MyNameHarold
I'm out of town for a week but for sure I'll play anyone preferably with a mic to help me out with stuff.

 

[SwiftEagle]

 

[Vagrant]

Anyone I lose to in KL.

 

[GLoRToR]

1. Nobody insulted gays
2. I'm not angry, I'm calm as hell
3. Almost everybody had crazy mixups in MKX, and Cage wasn't the only character with cancels
4. I didn't downplay Cage in this game
5. Complaining about hitboxes and crushing blows isn't downplaying
6. I'm not attacking you personally
7. Not playing well against certain characters doesn't make them any better
8. Regarding Cage's restand nutpunch, cancels and F3s in MKX, you had to be good to consistently pull that off. It took me 3 months to get it down.
9. Cage is not a bad character in MK11
10. Forgive my double posting because my phone is shit.

Alright, we're good then.
As Jade main, I think the game is in a decent place right now and hopefully will be even better with next patch when hopefully some of the hitbox issues will finally get addressed.

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

I just wanna say for the record that despite my name I don’t even play Johnny so pls don’t put me on ignore @Qwark28

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

Ok my new votes are:

Currently: Jade, Johnny, Erron(post patch), Kitana and now Shang(I'm a Shang/Nightwolf main and I'm saying mist of the community downplays him, he loses 4% and they act like all his tools are gone.
I have seen so many jade mains act like she is the riskiest character with the worst tools and no safe way to be effective.
Johnny mains do have legit complaints Like hitbox issues But some act like he is the hardest character to use not realizing he has top 3 footsies and shimmy.