That is literally how people were talking about Cetrion up until just a few weeks ago. Theory fighters can debate frame data all day long, but when it comes down to it, a character is the sum of so much more than just their frames.
He probably should be a tier lower. He doesn't have good mids like Kabal, or mixups like Jax or KB's like the entire tier he's been put in. He's a lot more honest like Lao and Kitana.
Sorry but that's not true at all. Fireballs are unsafe, sure I don't doubt that, but it depends which fireball he uses (db1 or db1 AMP) the timming to punish them are different. Additionally you are not able to see at the beginning of the animation if it's normal fireball or AMP fireball. Even in practice is hard to punish both in reaction. If you are expecting AMP fireball and you block normal fireball in most of the cases your punish will be performed too late. If you are expecting normal fireball you will eat the second AMP fireball trying to punish. And while you are expecting this you are getting chip damage and being in -4.
I'm sorry, but you are the one that is incorrect.
It will be interesting when people start to try flawless blocking those overheads. I think it could actually open up Jax's stagger game as people will be trying to scout the overhead and just block additional f33s, eat throws, etc.
I commented how 3 of 4 combos start high and only b1 is mid. They said shut up because its 9 frames. Feels like forever and the nature of having to commit to 1+3 which quite a few can punish easily.
Her main punish s1 whiff on some many stuff (like scorp teleport depending on the side lol) that you literally have to lab every single punishable move to see what button you need to use.
I don't see Frost as bottom tier either. Her moves are pretty slow which probably has something to do with it, but her zoning is decent, she has a far reaching hit confirmable mid, decent corner game etc. She does have hitbox issues too though. I'd put her in the "ok" tier, I wouldn't put her with characters with glaring issues like Kotal Kahn and Dvorah.
damn, this one tier list is pretty good and solid indeed .... very realistic , well done, sir !Here's my tier list :
I don't like the "S+" tier and I don't think S tier should have more than 3 characters. So here's my reasoning for my list. The characters aren't arranged in a particular order
I used the best tournament variation for every character (or both if they are both viable)
S is reserved for characters with too many tools and/or overpowered tools. Geras (both variations) has too many of them and are all good. Erron Black has too many tools in 52 Kard Pickup. His Scud shot should be removed without nerfing it and replaced by another move. The Scud shot should be 2 slots and added in the third variation. Sonya Blade (Ring Master) would be A+ with her damage, but her projectile is too powerful, and the Energy Ring cancel should not allow her to be safe on a mixup in the corner and at the same time allowing for a juggle in the corner. It's one of them, not both, so S tier.
A+ is reserved for very solid characters but not strong enough to be considered as the top 3. Scorpion (both variations) and Sub Zero (Dead of Winter) are both contenders for the S tier but there are stronger characters as listed above. Cassie Cage (Digital Soldier) has a lot of useful tools and is dangerous anywhere in the neutral. Baraka (both variations) is insanely good, has only a few tools but they are really really good, he would be in S in a heartbeat if the tier had available slots.
A is for characters I consider as "balanced", not too weak, but not too strong. Some of them are slightly stronger than other in that tier, like Cetrion, but didn't know who to swap in A+ to include her.
A- I usually don't like "-" version of tiers, but A- is a tier for characters that would fit into the A category if they didn't have whiff issues on most of their strings. Johnny Cage, Kung Lao and Kano would be A to me if their hitboxes were good.
B - The B tier has the character with the tools or at least unefficient tools at the moment. It has the weakest characters in the game.
C - I don't really know why I created that tier, I was probably influenced by other lists that rank her in her own tier. She is not far from the B tier tho.
imo her hitbox issues are pretty crippling, the major one being her s1 which is really inconsistent.
Regarding Frost, I just feel like if you can't punish something like a scorpion teleport with you s1 due to hitboxes randomly changing depending on which side you are, you can't be a good character. All her other tools are decent otherwise.
Anyone can do "selective linking" to prove a point.
Dragon has obviously leveled up in the matchup since NLBC, he hadn't started to enforce the meta-game as I described. The funny thing about the video you linked though is that not once did sonic punish Dragon's air laser with sand trap, Dragon even punished various sand trap attempts with geyser.
Kano's d1 does essentially jail into b1, which believe it or not is hit confirmable into kano ball, with practice ofc.
