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It is interesting to look over the frame data after playing the beta. Can't speak to how he'll actually play, but it does look like Johnny is going to eat a lot of low jabs and upper cuts.
His MK9 incarnation had no low starters and one overhead (Axe Kick), and he was one of the best in the game.
The frame data in these demo builds is just flat out wrong. Scorpion had cancel data on moves that weren't even cancelable. Don't even use it rn.
I'm not trusting the numbers on those screenies just yet. If those screens came from early in production, the number of unlockable items could have just been an estimate or mock-up (for whatever reason). Don't wanna get my hopes up.
We have seen 4 poses/ intros for several characters already though. Baraka, Sub-Zero, Scorpion.. I think it is pretty safe to assume everyone will have at least 4 of both on launch.
This, although I believe 2 intros and 2 win poses will have to be unlocked for each character.
I wouldn't be surprised if some characters had more than others tbh.
Yeah, I think there'll definitely be some with more than others. Like Scorpion might end up with 5 or 6 down the line, but I'm pretty sure everyone'll have at least 4 on launch.
Cage in MK9 struggled against zoners as well, having really only his EX Shadow Kick to be able to get in safely due to its armor and arguably the worst projectile in the game, and he was still a very solid character. He seems to have pretty much the same game-plan this time around as well, except at least this around he'll have a better projectile with the Straight Fireball.
I didn't play much MK9 so this is not very reassuring to me...
Hey, man. According to every character's subforum, they're bottom tier.
I think the default load outs will be the ranked options. And if memory serves me correctly, the one loadout that comes to mind had 'Throwing Shade', 'Say Cheese' and whatever that unblockable hook is called.
I think you're spot on with the Fisticuffs variation. All of those moves seem made for one another. Say Cheese and Nut Punch have the same input BD3 so I doubt we'll see them together. My money is on the 2 Stunt Double abilities and possibly another?
You're a top notch TYMer @Circus!!So me and @ShepherdOfFire were talking about something over messages and I just realized something about Johnny that is actually really f**king insane lol. Like, MKX-levels of pressure good tbh.
So Johnny's 244U4 string is actually ridiculous....
I was focused so much on how good his F344 string was because of it's ability to shimmy/whiff punish with, but the true star is his 244 BY FAR.
Both of these strings end in the same kicks that could space for a whiff punish, but 244U4 is special in a different way.
2:
8f startup
11f recovery
244:
11f startup
27f recovery
244U4:
27f startup
The startup on the followup for each move is identical to the recovery. This means that at any point, if Johnny is staggering with any part of of this string, the opponent would have to literally guess when Johnny is going to stop attacking.
In the frame data, the string startup is the gap between the first move and the move shown. This means that this particular string is stagger pressure GOLD. Sure, at the 244 part he is -2, but the opponent would still have to literally guess if they wanted to counter poke. There is no reacting.
The final hit U4 part is a high that Krushing Blows on counter hit.
The opponent will be encouraged to do a crouching poke if they do want to counter poke on a read.
But if they do....
With Johnny Cage's walk speed being so ridiculously fast too, I could see this opening up his other options like his super far reaching low, a walk up grab, F4, or something else wacky.
Johnny will for sure not be easy to play, but I think it's cool to see that he'll maintain some of his MKX'like stagger pressure and his +frame pokes, strings, and AmpForceballs. He also has a stupidly fast 14frame projectile that is faster than anything we saw in the beta (and it's safer than anything in the beta too). I think he'll be just fine.
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They said that the loadouts in the reveal breakdown weren't the ones we will be using in ranked and tournaments. Johnny will have brand new variations for Ranked/Tournament play.
Say Cheese takes two slots, you can only equip one other move with that move. And the unblockable hook is called Caged Rage
The Stunt Double ability takes 3 slots (at least in the early build), there can't be any additionnal ability if you have the stunt double equipped
Oops forgot about that
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