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Soul Calibur 6: THE SOUL STILL BURNS!

Eldagrin

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So have you guys noticed any moves that have weird positional or character specific properties? Like Raphael’s b4 combos into 66B if you are standing to your opponent’s left or right, but not if you are directly in front of or behind them. Tira’s WR K combos into her CE ONLY if she blocks Seong Mi-Na’s 1B, which makes no sense but it works.

Edit: But I’m okay with the Tira thing because fuck Seong Mi-Na. She deserves it for being such a stupid character in this game.
 

Eldagrin

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Just in case anyone didn’t know, you don’t have to hold Siegfried’s break attack if he just does it when you’re standing. If you’ve got a really strong jump attack you can really punish him for it, too.

Ex.

Good Siegfrieds are a problem for me, not sure if he is for anyone else and his BA isn’t why he’s so obnoxious, but being able to nullify it as long as you react to it in time (which isn’t hard since it’s i40) is useful.
 
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JBeezYBabY

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Well the alternative idea is they wait until E3 and maybe announce S2 for EVO, But I dunno about that.

Don't forget We still have another CaS Parts Pack to go through before we get to Cassandra.
Oh yeah huh...Damn. I guess that timing makes sense but this DLC pack has been hella lackluster.
 

Eldagrin

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Oh yeah huh...Damn. I guess that timing makes sense but this DLC pack has been hella lackluster.
It definitely hasn’t been the most hype thing ever, but I don’t think I’ve ever been hyped about fighting game dlc. I never end up using any of the dlc characters, and in the case of Injustice 2, half of the dlc characters piled extra bad match ups on my main.

I would be hype for Hwang, Yun-Seong, or Setsuka in season 2 though.
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
It definitely hasn’t been the most hype thing ever, but I don’t think I’ve ever been hyped about fighting game dlc. I never end up using any of the dlc characters, and in the case of Injustice 2, half of the dlc characters piled extra bad match ups on my main.

I would be hype for Hwang, Yun-Seong, or Setsuka in season 2 though.
That would have been a waaaaay better line-up DLC. But eh....its whatevs. This game is the funnest current fighter but i know once MK11 comes out, i wont be on this game as much.
 

Eldagrin

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That would have been a waaaaay better line-up DLC. But eh....its whatevs. This game is the funnest current fighter but i know once MK11 comes out, i wont be on this game as much.
I think I’m still gonna play SC6 a fair amount even when MK11 comes out, I just genuinely enjoy SC6, if they can add some better online features I will 100% continue to play.

A lack of a real player match means playing long sets against good people is rare and mostly comes from my friends list and half of the time they’re more interested in ranked for some reason.
 
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JBeezYBabY

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I think I’m still gonna play SC6 a fair amount even when MK11 comes out, I just genuinely enjoy SC6, if they can add some better online features I will 100% continue to play.

A lack of a real player match means playing long sets against good people is rare and mostly comes from my friends list and half of the time they’re more interested in ranked for some reason.
Cuz Lobbies are trash which is why i hate playing in them. They crash from time to time which is hella frustrating. Sometimes I have to restart the game cuz i get stuck in the loading screen.
 

Eldagrin

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Cuz Lobbies are trash which is why i hate playing in them. They crash from time to time which is hella frustrating. Sometimes I have to restart the game cuz i get stuck in the loading screen.
That’s true, they need to get their shit together on lobbies too. They’re way better on PC, it looks to be more of a console issue.
 

Eldagrin

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God I hope they buff Jolly stance Tira in the Amy patch. I feel like they've saddled her down with so many downsides because of her random chance to do insane damage just because she mood switched. Like I wish they would nerf the damage on combos like these:



and just give her some decent neutral and pressure tools. She's built entirely off frame traps and has no real pressure and damage without a wall or LH.
 

SaSSolino

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God I hope they buff Jolly stance Tira in the Amy patch. I feel like they've saddled her down with so many downsides because of her random chance to do insane damage just because she mood switched. Like I wish they would nerf the damage on combos like these:



and just give her some decent neutral and pressure tools. She's built entirely off frame traps and has no real pressure and damage without a wall or LH.
I like the idea of buffing Jolly, but I think a damage nerf to Gloomy should follow. At the moment Gloomy is extremely good, Jolly being bad is the payoff.

@SaSSolino Do you think Azwel needs any buffs this patch/ are there any changes for him you’d want to see?
Yes, I thought he was in a good place after the first wave of nerfs, and the second one was heavier.

- 6B was nerfed too hard. I like the tracking nerf, but the pushback is needed considering that it's neutral on hit. As it is right now half the cast has an option select that punishes every option Azwel has off of it.

- FC 3A is Azwel's only good spacing tool post nerf, and it's a gimmick. You can duck an punish the second hit everytime so I'd like to be able to only throw 1 hit without having to commit to both everytime, frames should be bad though. Alternatively give some pushback to his 6AA.

- Slight tweaks to his CH WR BB launch: either make it higher so he gets a reliable 6BB follow up, or closer so he gets a reliable BA follow up. I just want a combo that works.

- Damage nerf to his 6BA reverted. People liked using his 6BB in combo more anyway for the (gimmicky) vortex and better mode, damage was literally the only reason to use 6BA, and it still wasn't used.

- His infamous axe B+K definately needed a nerf, but they gave him the wrong one. Instead of that stupidly ugly range nerf, I think they should remove the tracking on the move, at least on Azwel's right. Also it shouldn't scale as much, but reverting it completely would be too much. I would also like for a shorter launch animation, it's too frustrating right now for the opponent.

- His sword B+K also scales a little too hard now.

- His spear B+K shouldn't be steppable. It's a fucking tornado, how do you step a tornado? Besides it's already super unsafe.

- Hitbox fixes or better tracking on his FC 1B, so that BT A+B > FC 1B stops dropping at random during combos, instead his FC 1A should be -2 on hit, so that if you read a FC 1B afterwards you can still step and punish it.

- His SC CE scales way too hard on airborne opponents, but way too little on stuns. If I read a tech jump and punish it with something this slow I deserve the great damage, but I don't deserve the crazy damage out of random wall combos.

- Azwel's A+B nerf was insanely stupid, now while plus on block, it removes Azwel's mode, meaning your fastest move is an i18 and it isn't your turn. Either revert this change completely or make it at least +12 on block. Other characters have it and they don't even need to change mode.

- Another stupid nerf was to his 6A+B. That move was bad already, why make it worse!?

- If I can launch the opponent high enough and hit him with an axe B+K on the way down, you get the full animation on hit for some reason. This should be nerfed asap.

- Give him back his pushback on 66B. He doesn't have a 66A, he needs a good 66B.

- I saved the best for last: the mode change nerf needs to ho immediately. It's counter intuitive, wrong lore wise and so damn unreliable. This is so annoying I swear.
 

Eldagrin

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I like the idea of buffing Jolly, but I think a damage nerf to Gloomy should follow. At the moment Gloomy is extremely good, Jolly being bad is the payoff.



Yes, I thought he was in a good place after the first wave of nerfs, and the second one was heavier.

- 6B was nerfed too hard. I like the tracking nerf, but the pushback is needed considering that it's neutral on hit. As it is right now half the cast has an option select that punishes every option Azwel has off of it.

- FC 3A is Azwel's only good spacing tool post nerf, and it's a gimmick. You can duck an punish the second hit everytime so I'd like to be able to only throw 1 hit without having to commit to both everytime, frames should be bad though. Alternatively give some pushback to his 6AA.

- Slight tweaks to his CH WR BB launch: either make it higher so he gets a reliable 6BB follow up, or closer so he gets a reliable BA follow up. I just want a combo that works.

- Damage nerf to his 6BA reverted. People liked using his 6BB in combo more anyway for the (gimmicky) vortex and better mode, damage was literally the only reason to use 6BA, and it still wasn't used.

- His infamous axe B+K definately needed a nerf, but they gave him the wrong one. Instead of that stupidly ugly range nerf, I think they should remove the tracking on the move, at least on Azwel's right. Also it shouldn't scale as much, but reverting it completely would be too much. I would also like for a shorter launch animation, it's too frustrating right now for the opponent.

- His sword B+K also scales a little too hard now.

- His spear B+K shouldn't be steppable. It's a fucking tornado, how do you step a tornado? Besides it's already super unsafe.

- Hitbox fixes or better tracking on his FC 1B, so that BT A+B > FC 1B stops dropping at random during combos, instead his FC 1A should be -2 on hit, so that if you read a FC 1B afterwards you can still step and punish it.

- His SC CE scales way too hard on airborne opponents, but way too little on stuns. If I read a tech jump and punish it with something this slow I deserve the great damage, but I don't deserve the crazy damage out of random wall combos.

- Azwel's A+B nerf was insanely stupid, now while plus on block, it removes Azwel's mode, meaning your fastest move is an i18 and it isn't your turn. Either revert this change completely or make it at least +12 on block. Other characters have it and they don't even need to change mode.

- Another stupid nerf was to his 6A+B. That move was bad already, why make it worse!?

- If I can launch the opponent high enough and hit him with an axe B+K on the way down, you get the full animation on hit for some reason. This should be nerfed asap.

- Give him back his pushback on 66B. He doesn't have a 66A, he needs a good 66B.

- I saved the best for last: the mode change nerf needs to ho immediately. It's counter intuitive, wrong lore wise and so damn unreliable. This is so annoying I swear.
A lot of these buffs are totally reasonable and well thought out. The change to his A+B especially was dumb, the cancel mind game going away was all that was needed, making drop mode was idiotic.

I’d be okay with them moving some of Gloomy’s damage over to Jolly, because Jolly has no damage compared to any other character and no pressure. Gloomy meanwhile hits for 74 off a long ranged -14 launcher and 64 off a hitconfirmable i14 hori. mid.

Also, a tip for fighting Tira, lots of Tiras like Tira’s long ranged 3A low in Jolly, if she hits you with just 3A up close she’s -10 on hit and you can punish her if you’re in sword mode and get pressure.
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
Apparently...Uncle JBeezY is REALLy starting to HATE the D ranks. The rank is exactly what it sounds....D as in, A BUNCH OF DICKS!

I kid u fucking not, every 1 out of 3 matches theres always a bitch that just teabag then dont rematch knowing i can beat that ass. Its annoying. Theres a difference between mind games and just being a bitch. And theres alot of bitches in the D ranks. This is my first time treading these waters with a character but on the fence of grinding through it with Mina, or just start fresh learning a new character. And since Amy is on the horizon in two weeks, I really wanna learn Raphael.

What do y'all think ?Question mark?
 

SaSSolino

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So just an FYI: I have this training buddy of mine that played in a tournament on PS4, he said the delay is absurd compared to PC. I knew the console version of the game wasn't great, but not that bad, hopefully you'll get a fix or something.
 

Eldagrin

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So just an FYI: I have this training buddy of mine that played in a tournament on PS4, he said the delay is absurd compared to PC. I knew the console version of the game wasn't great, but not that bad, hopefully you'll get a fix or something.
Yeah, there is a ton of delay, it makes stuff like Groh’s avenger stance unbearable to deal with because it becomes some whack online only mix up since Avenger A is reactable offline.
 

Eldagrin

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Apparently...Uncle JBeezY is REALLy starting to HATE the D ranks. The rank is exactly what it sounds....D as in, A BUNCH OF DICKS!

I kid u fucking not, every 1 out of 3 matches theres always a bitch that just teabag then dont rematch knowing i can beat that ass. Its annoying. Theres a difference between mind games and just being a bitch. And theres alot of bitches in the D ranks. This is my first time treading these waters with a character but on the fence of grinding through it with Mina, or just start fresh learning a new character. And since Amy is on the horizon in two weeks, I really wanna learn Raphael.

What do y'all think ?Question mark?
I’m almost D3 with Raphael and D4 with Tira and I don’t find D ranks to be bad really, but I get matched with C rank players fairly frequently as well. I play a lot of sets with people though, so I’m not constantly playing ranked and I like to offer games to people on my friends list since those matches are usually higher quality than the average ranked game. That might affect my view on ranked since I’m not playing it constantly.

I can play with you if you want to learn Raphael and show you some of his stuff. You are going to need to be able to do his iprep cancels if you want to play the character even at a semi-high level so it’s going to take practice to pick up Raphael. He also has pretty bad mid range step kills, especially compared to Mina.

Edited because Sas is right, you can definitely play Raph for fun without cancels and do fine.
 
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SaSSolino

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I’m almost D3 with Raphael and D4 with Tira and I don’t find D ranks to be bad really, but I get matched with C rank players fairly frequently as well. I play a lot of sets with people though, so I’m not constantly playing ranked and I like to offer games to people on my friends list since those matches are usually higher quality than the average ranked game. That might affect my view on ranked since I’m not playing it constantly.

I can play with you if you want to learn Raphael and show you some of his stuff. You are going to need to be able to do his iprep cancels if you want to play the character even semi-competently, so it’s going to take practice to pick up Raphael. He also has pretty bad mid range step kills, especially compared to Mina.
I have a pocket Raphael, but my execution sucks too much ass to be able to do iprep combos such as 6B > ip > BK or (stun) BBB > ip > BK. It's not too bad though, the character is still playable for fun.
 

Eldagrin

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I have a pocket Raphael, but my execution sucks too much ass to be able to do iprep combos such as 6B > ip > BK or (stun) BBB > ip > BK. It's not too bad though, the character is still playable for fun.
That’s true, Ive been 50/50 splitting between him and Tira so I’ve been leveling up my execution and it feels great. I love his wall combo damage from stuff like SE B > 66A+B > 3(B) > 6K > BB:B iPrep BB:B > 2K. Having good execution ups his reward off reads a lot. His FC 3B throw ducking LH is 70 damage if you follow it up with 66(B) > A(B) > 6B, but it’s 88 damage if you follow it up with BB:B 46 BB:B 2K.

It’s funny because his nerfs have made him less execution heavy, because for some reason they targeted a lot of his high execution stuff first rather than his braindead shit like B2 being an i18 +4 on hit tracking low.
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
I’m almost D3 with Raphael and D4 with Tira and I don’t find D ranks to be bad really, but I get matched with C rank players fairly frequently as well. I play a lot of sets with people though, so I’m not constantly playing ranked and I like to offer games to people on my friends list since those matches are usually higher quality than the average ranked game. That might affect my view on ranked since I’m not playing it constantly.

I can play with you if you want to learn Raphael and show you some of his stuff. You are going to need to be able to do his iprep cancels if you want to play the character even semi-competently, so it’s going to take practice to pick up Raphael. He also has pretty bad mid range step kills, especially compared to Mina.
Thats cool and ive seen your message but i like to learn at my own pace. Ranked is best for me cuz one i HATE the lobby system and ranked gives me experience against different match ups. So thats more efficient for me to learn than fighting somebody 50 times until my thumbs bleed. Everybody is different and Uncle JBeezY likes to do his shit his way, but when im finally ready to get some sets in I will contact you ;)
 

Eldagrin

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Thats cool and ive seen your message but i like to learn at my own pace. Ranked is best for me cuz one i HATE the lobby system and ranked gives me experience against different match ups. So thats more efficient for me to learn than fighting somebody 50 times until my thumbs bleed. Everybody is different and Uncle JBeezY likes to do his shit his way, but when im finally ready to get some sets in I will contact you ;)
Hey I can respect that, let me rephrase my offer then. If you ever want to grind out the Raphael or Tira MUs just message me, I’m not the best at either of them but I’m decent with them. The reason I do sets is specifically to grind out match ups that I want to practice anyways.